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Cameron Willingham was executed for arson because he had a tattoo and an Iron Maiden poster.
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Victory Position posted:I don't know anything about the wrongly put to death part at all. what's this one refer to? also I guess I'm thinking more in more controlled tests, where you have things you readily test inside of burn units and houses rigged up for this kind of thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham
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Apr 2, 2021 19:47
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Panzeh posted:honestly my main beef with jfk conspiracy people is when they try to say jfk was going to change everything and get us out of vietnam when poo poo-talking the south vietnamese government was pretty much what every admin involved with the country was doing lol would he have actually drawn out completely? it seems likely, but also before that point we hadn't gone all in on foreverwar either. would he have been able to smash CIA into smithereens and in his words "scatter its ashes to the wind"? probably not. but it was likely the closest it's come to have having it's power threatened for the succeeding 60-something years. of course all alt-history is just that, alternative reality poo poo so whose to say.
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Apr 2, 2021 19:50
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yeah cameron todd willingham is the prime example of how hosed arson investigations can be. a lot of forensics is contradictory, vague, made-up, or intentionally malicious
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Apr 2, 2021 19:57
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for the prosecutor, it was Tuesday, and he picked out one of the usual lines for his case this is horrific 
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Xaris posted:i think its easy for people to put him on a pedestal too much and he was a complete piece of poo poo; however, it was very much documented that jfk was worried about his re-election showing weakness at giving up vietnam to the commies, but really wanted out and tried to have back channel discussions with castro and russia to get peace and fuckoff. he had a memo to withdraw immediately after re-election and completely by '65. it was very much documented he was extremely pissed about CIA straight up lying to his face about what bay of pigs was about and they in turn were pissed he didn't commit troops when it flopped hard. regardless of him sucking, he definitely was the greatest threat to the falsified cold-war intelligence agency powers that has strangled most of the planet since it's inception. imperialism and exploitation of third-world wouldn't have gone away, i think that's almost certain. yeah i what i wonder is if we would have still seen cia intervention in brazil and indonesia in 64-65 because lbj didn't seem to give a poo poo
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Apr 2, 2021 20:17
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rick "it takes balls to execute an innocent man" perry
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We mock metal, but metal and jazz are the most anti-authoritarian music genres, insofar as they're the ones that can get you framed for murder just for liking them
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Apr 2, 2021 20:49
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:yeah i what i wonder is if we would have still seen cia intervention in brazil and indonesia in 64-65 because lbj didn't seem to give a poo poo of course as we all know, the real defining moment of fracturing of the timeline was assassination's of huey long; or eugene debs getting locked up
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MeatwadIsGod posted:The Huey Long Maneuver Someone needs to dig into Huey Long's assassination because there's some wild conspiracies out there. Xaris posted:of course as we all know, the real defining moment of fracturing of the timeline was assassination's of huey long; or eugene debs getting locked up it's still hilarious to me that the assassin went after him because long gerrymandered his father-in-law out of a job. can you imagine politicians getting shot over gerrymandering today? Dreylad has issued a correction as of 21:57 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Atrocious Joe posted:How did a bunch of standups become socialists over the past few years and none of them thought to bring that energy to speeches. turns out they were really lovely standups
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Apr 2, 2021 21:55
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Dreylad posted:Someone needs to dig into Huey Long's assassination because there's some wild conspiracies out there. But again it was just late enough in american politics that Edgar Hoover and the now-FBI was consolidating power and had become extremely powerful enough to make it happen with enough power to get away with anything. and Edgar was an insane psychopathic ultra-conservative religious nut who almost surely would have wanted him dead and would have been more than happy to make it happen to ~save america from the red menace~. it can't be understated how insane Hoover was. really the country was rife with extremely shady assassinations constantly from like 1920 to 1980. anyways that's largely because you can't really imagine politicians getting successfully shot2death today because they bend the knee to the inner workings of the machine and pose no threat at worst and actively beneficial to the machine at best. and you mostly get a few weirdos like the scalise scrotum-shooter or the gabby giffords shooter or john hinkley thinking reagan was taking away jody foster, which really seem pretty straight forward, and, this is almost key, non of them were really successful like they used to be despite having better much guns. Xaris has issued a correction as of 22:13 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Xaris posted:and, this is almost key, non of them were really successful like they used to be despite having better much guns was thinking about this the other day and it's so............... strange..........
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Apr 2, 2021 22:07
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Dreylad posted:Someone needs to dig into Huey Long's assassination because there's some wild conspiracies out there. trying to remember where that HUAC transcript is where some government official alludes to having someone "taken care of like had been done to Huey Long"
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Apr 2, 2021 22:09
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i'm a Huey fan. my grandmothers were from the same small town in southern LA and they only learned to read because of Huey Long. so i'm kinda biased on the topic.
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Apr 2, 2021 22:13
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Danger posted:reading the mcveigh book that's in vogue right now in a couple threads has been the closest i've come to understanding the concept of like forbidden knowledge that drives you insane that like lovecraft and bloodborne were on about. like to hold all that poo poo in your head and be unable to express or do anything with it and know that none of it matters. like the more insight you gain the more you go insane. Which book is this?
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Dr. Killjoy posted:trying to remember where that HUAC transcript is where some government official alludes to having someone "taken care of like had been done to Huey Long" Yeah, it was posted in some CSPAM thread too. I hadn't seen it before and had just finished up T Harry Williams' excellent biography of Huey Long so it was wild to see it. My favourite thing about Long recently is a bunch of recent articles popped up in the back half of the Trump administration and they were trying to compare Trump to Huey Long, including one that I think was written by his killer's descendent (not the body guard) lmao Xaris posted:huey definitely pissed a lot of people off because he was just the right kind of almost Evrart Claire guy to get what he wanted. he's definitely one of the most fascinating characters in american politics, almost of all-time. i think that one is entirely possible it was just a grudge, especially pre-dating the grotesque intelligence agency era that formed up afterwards, but it also could have been an intentional set-up with the right palms greased to make it happen for someone elses political gain and put the competition out of commission. Long was incredible, effectively building a political machine cobbled together by turning the existing Democratic machinery in the state in on itself entirely under his control. He got impeached the first year of being governor, and after his term was over he became a Senator and continued to rule Louisiana via a proxy even putting down what, in a different context, would be called an insurrection, but tends to be portrayed by liberals as ~brave patriots~. There's some lessons to be drawn from his career, and the kind of ruthlessness needed to achieve any kind of power in the United States, especially for anyone who wants to improve the lives of poor people.
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huey definitely owned bones. the balls that that guy had was insane. he actually understood you just take power and do things and no one is going to loving stop you. not to say he didn't do a lot of actually fairly bad things (i.e. locking up sex workers), but he actually understood the workings of the machine at the time and knew how to play the game and used it to the betterment of the actual people. sadly the next 80+ years have been spent by intelligence agencies making sure another Huey Long doesnt come into power and they did that with brutal ruthlessness (constant assasination of left/socialist union leaders, replacing them with neoliberal stooges and working to erode unions entirely from within, disappearing people that tried to gather solidarity, red menace propaganda, remolding academic to suit its needs, etc).
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uber_stoat posted:i'm a Huey fan. my grandmothers were from the same small town in southern LA and they only learned to read because of Huey Long. so i'm kinda biased on the topic. Yeah I know a few people who feel the same way. It's too bad the rest of his family were didn't share his politics because they sure as poo poo rode his popularity into becoming and important part of Louisana politics. Xaris posted:huey definitely owned bones. the balls that that guy had was insane. he actually understood you just take power and do things and no one is going to loving stop you. not to say he didn't do a lot of actually fairly bad things, but he actually understood the workings of the machine at the time and knew how to play the game. Oh he was corrupt as poo poo, chances are FDR's IRS task force was going to expose a lot of bad poo poo he and his followers had did if he had lived, but there's nothing Huey Long did that was exceptional compared to his political opponents other than make huge improvements in the lives of the poor of Louisiana and not play the game of respectability politics.The power struggle between FDR and Huey Long in the 30s would have been fascinating, although I don't know if Long could have survived it because FDR was as good a politician as Long was. It's weird that people seem to have rediscovered him through loving Hearts of Iron 4 mods, and he gets slotted in as some kind of fascist leader in the US. Like every other southern governor hated his guts, what the gently caress are you guys on. On the other hand he wasn't a socialist either, he was definitely a "we need to reform capitalism to save capitalism" social democrat-type. But when you start talking about expropriating the wealth of everyone over a million dollars and giving every family a home, you're either going to fail (likely) or effectively create a society that is on its way towards the workers owning the means of production anyway. Dreylad has issued a correction as of 22:24 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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hobbesmaster posted:the closest to “official” explanation would be something like “Oswald did kill the President alone, but due to his involvement with the bay of pigs the CIA decided to ‘clean up’” My own semiserious theory is that the CIA tried and failed to kill JFK, someone else succeeded and they have no idea who, and all the layers of secrets are an obfuscation campaign to keep anyone in power from finding out they didn't actually do it.
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i can post about huey long non-stop. just a fascinating, unique character in american politics. he loved LSU and its football team so much he'd nurse injured players back to health at the governor's mansion by feeding them steaks 3 times a day. players would come back comically overweight and usually collapse after playing for 5 minutes.
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Apr 2, 2021 22:26
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Xaris posted:i think its easy for people to put him on a pedestal too much and he was a complete piece of poo poo; however, it was very much documented that jfk was worried about his re-election showing weakness at giving up vietnam to the commies, but really wanted out and tried to have back channel discussions with castro and russia to get peace and fuckoff. he had a memo to withdraw immediately after re-election and completely by '65. it was very much documented he was extremely pissed about CIA straight up lying to his face about what bay of pigs was about and they in turn were pissed he didn't commit troops when it flopped hard. regardless of him sucking, he definitely was the greatest threat to the falsified cold-war intelligence agency powers that has strangled most of the planet since it's inception. imperialism and exploitation of third-world wouldn't have gone away, i think that's almost certain. while jfk hated the CIA at the time, imo he was still absolutely a cold warrior to a T and I don't think the CIA is why we got into vietnam(remember, he never pulled out of the country, in fact his role was to expand US presence there)
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Halloween Jack posted:Cameron Willingham was executed for arson because he had a tattoo and an Iron Maiden poster.  murdering a dude over satanic panic poo poo from the 80s jesus christ
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Apr 2, 2021 22:32
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uber_stoat posted:i'm a Huey fan. my grandmothers were from the same small town in southern LA and they only learned to read because of Huey Long. so i'm kinda biased on the topic.  they're family friends
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Dreylad posted:i can post about huey long non-stop. just a fascinating, unique character in american politics. poo poo he's the one that got that stadium built in the first place
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Think Less posted:Which book is this? Aberration in the Heartland of the Real edit: here’s a good teaser https://twitter.com/bth_bill/status/1369843240057397251?s=21 Danger has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Apr 2, 2021 |
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Panzeh posted:while jfk hated the CIA at the time, imo he was still absolutely a cold warrior to a T and I don't think the CIA is why we got into vietnam(remember, he never pulled out of the country, in fact his role was to expand US presence there) and yeah CIA was absolutely involved and pushing for it hard. they were loving around there for like 2 decades prior trying to do soft-coups and put in authoritarian right stooges into power. it was very lucrative for CIA for war (and also by giving credence for more money with a bonus of also escalating "cold war" mentality).
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Xaris posted:gulf of tarkin  “evacuate? in our moment of triumph?”
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Danger posted:Aberration in the Heartland of the Real Awesome! Thank you
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congratulations future presidentt of the dsa
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my favorite JFK theory is still that the CIA killed him because he was about to reveal the ETs so it was pretty fun to hear Felix namedrop MJ-12 on chapo this week
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Michael is to Anna as Shrek Lad is to Gun Girl.
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Joementum posted:my favorite JFK theory is still that the CIA killed him because he was about to reveal the ETs absolutely the thing that has most blown my mind most in recent years was from this very forum where someone posited, given how UFO sightings are used as cover very often for domestic military operations, how UFO abductions might be used to discredit people as fringe. and then connecting that to leftist activism of Betty and Barney Hill.
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Dreylad posted:it's still hilarious to me that the assassin went after him because long gerrymandered his father-in-law out of a job. can you imagine politicians getting shot over gerrymandering today?
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ive got a confession: i did it. i killed jfk, rfk, huey long, i killed epstein, i started mkultra, i did mj12, i did mothman experiments with lsd, i was head of area-51, im leader of the illumanti, i started project icarus, i killed tracer tong, i have ufos and did chem trails, i faked russiagate and leaked hillarys emails, i rigged hte election, i set-up nixon, i own the masons, davos is in my pockets and im building out 5g to do the great reset and i had sex with anna
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Mr Hootington posted:Latest Trueanon is very good! catching up to it. it is definitely extremely good. liz owns
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hobbesmaster posted:
tonkin! wmds! genocide!
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Xaris posted:ive got a confession: i did it. i killed jfk, rfk, huey long, i killed epstein, i started mkultra, i did mj12, i did mothman experiments with lsd, i was head of area-51, im leader of the illumanti, i started project icarus, i killed tracer tong, i have ufos and did chem trails, i faked russiagate and leaked hillarys emails, i rigged hte election, i set-up nixon, i own the masons, davos is in my pockets and im building out 5g to do the great reset you've never done anything cool in your entire life
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