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change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

CongoJack posted:

I have a 970 sitting on my dresser from 2 years ago if you just want to pay me shipping for it. No idea if it still works.

I'd def take this if Smythe passes, I'm trying to build a barebones gaming thing for a friend as a birthday present but don't want to spend too much

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CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

Pilfered Pallbearers posted:

That's very generous considering some working ones are going for over $200, and for parts ones are going for nearly $100 in some cases.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fsrp=1&_sacat=0&_nkw=nvidia+970&_from=R40&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1

GPUs are hosed.

That is hosed.

As long as Smyth is going to play video games with it and not mine thats fine with me, maybe the good karma will help me get a new videocard sooner.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Smythe posted:

yea theres no way im doing the discord drop thing lol. not in a million years.

I joined one of those Stock Stalker discords and they scraped a bunch of personal info and I've seen maybe 2-3 post about gpu stock in 3 weeks.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

CongoJack posted:

I have a 970 sitting on my dresser from 2 years ago if you just want to pay me shipping for it. No idea if it still works.

yalls are too sweet and i am deffo feeling the love, very grateful. oddly i already have a 970 in my rig which i bought off a goon when he got a launch day 1080 (rich type goon) lol. idk my compy is all hosed up and can barely run dota2 or sc2 lol. ima try formatting her and see if she gets some new life. maybe too many porno viruses etc T_T

Scythe
Jan 26, 2004
For those of you trying to get GPUs, I just want to say that there have pretty consistently been cards on SAMart the last few months and the deals are usually pretty good since it's by definition sellers who are optimizing for ease/being nice rather than grabbing as much profit as possible. (I got a 2070 Super last month for not much more than its original MSRP! a steal!) It's definitely worth looking there if you're in the market.

The March Hare posted:

Alright so without thinking too much I actually managed to snag a 3090 FE from a Best Buy drop today thanks to Discord notifications.

From what I can tell they look... beefy. I've only ever done fairly normal case builds, is there anything I should consider for thermals or fancy vertical mounting or anything?

Yeah they're loving huge (3 slot, 313x138mm) and throw off tons of heat (350W power consumption I believe). I don't know enough to say more than that but you're gonna want a big case, a big PSU, and really solid airflow.

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

Smythe posted:

yalls are too sweet and i am deffo feeling the love, very grateful. oddly i already have a 970 in my rig which i bought off a goon when he got a launch day 1080 (rich type goon) lol. idk my compy is all hosed up and can barely run dota2 or sc2 lol. ima try formatting her and see if she gets some new life. maybe too many porno viruses etc T_T

Be sure to back up yer files

change my name posted:

I'd def take this if Smythe passes, I'm trying to build a barebones gaming thing for a friend as a birthday present but don't want to spend too much

Shoot me a pm!

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Smythe posted:

yalls are too sweet and i am deffo feeling the love, very grateful. oddly i already have a 970 in my rig which i bought off a goon when he got a launch day 1080 (rich type goon) lol. idk my compy is all hosed up and can barely run dota2 or sc2 lol. ima try formatting her and see if she gets some new life. maybe too many porno viruses etc T_T

a 970 should be crushing those games, unless you're running at 4k or something when vram might make a difference. yeah flatten and reinstall for sure, make sure you're not thermally throttling because of dust or cause your paste has dried out.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

CoolCab posted:

a 970 should be crushing those games, unless you're running at 4k or something when vram might make a difference. yeah flatten and reinstall for sure, make sure you're not thermally throttling because of dust or cause your paste has dried out.

:tipshat:

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

CongoJack posted:

Be sure to back up yer files


Shoot me a pm!

Done and done!

Thom P. Tiers
May 29, 2008

Red Birds
Red Ass
Red Text

Spacedad posted:

I currently have a fantastic 3900x build that's doing me solid. But right now I'm going to start putting a working parts list together for a 5800x-based build.

The reason being is that 5800x is better gaming performance, so it'll be a gaming focused enthusiast build. But also it's a secondary PC for a large number of reasons. (There's multitasking stuff I would need it for + other users in the household can use it + secondary PC for backup in case one dies so I'm not screwed.)

This new one I want to be more of a 'fun showpiece' pc to have sitting in a room where it will be seen a lot by visitors, so I'll be picking parts that have some attractive RGB flash to them. (My 3900x is a professional-loooking meshify C white with chromax fans and I went for a no-RGB look.) But I want to pick something to a classy theme that's not rainbow RGB vomit.

I've got a month or three to think about this, and also I won't be moving in on doing this 'till I manage to secure a non-scalped 3070 or 3080. But I'm gonna look around for PC theme ideas.

So for now I'll be looking around for aesthetic ideas to theme it to. If anyone has some classy eye-catching looks that look nice in a living room to suggest, I'd love to see.

I don't know what you like to look at but I always thought stuff that NZXT was pretty aesthetically pleasing.

https://www.nzxt.com/

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003
used my old crusty brain to remember that TeraCopy exists, and it is based.

epic computer janitor software from the olden days: teracopy & dban =DD

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Put 3600 mhz ram in my x570 tuf board, set it to 3600 and now it won't post, and I can't reach the battery with the video card in the way

Wheeee

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

flakeloaf posted:

Put 3600 mhz ram in my x570 tuf board, set it to 3600 and now it won't post, and I can't reach the battery with the video card in the way

Wheeee

Does your motherboard have JBAT pins? Those are there so you can short them to reset the CMOS battery without having to physically access the battery.

Thom P. Tiers
May 29, 2008

Red Birds
Red Ass
Red Text

flakeloaf posted:

Put 3600 mhz ram in my x570 tuf board, set it to 3600 and now it won't post, and I can't reach the battery with the video card in the way

Wheeee

Is it stuck in a reset cycle? My ASUS board would always try to restart a few times and then eventually restart back into BIOS on the third or fourth try of trying to post.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Nope, comes on and stalls with a yellow DRAM lamp.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Does your motherboard have JBAT pins? Those are there so you can short them to reset the CMOS battery without having to physically access the battery.

It has one, but it didn't work when I tried it last. Whatever, I'll try again tomorrow

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

I am a spectacularly bad poster and everyone in the Schadenfreude thread hates my guts.
Just pull the video card and remove the battery then, its a 5 minute job, and be extremely thankful that you don't have an ITX board with the battery stuck to the back of the I/O, necessitating deconstructing the entire build to remove the motherboard and then having to take the motherboard apart to remove the VRAM heatsink and I/O shield to even get at the loving thing

Ask me how I know

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Good lord

At that point you just declare "gently caress it" and wire the bastard to a new battery holder on the bottom of the case

Pilfered Pallbearers
Aug 2, 2007

flakeloaf posted:

Good lord

At that point you just declare "gently caress it" and wire the bastard to a new battery holder on the bottom of the case

Pulling the card should take you all of 20 seconds. It's 1-2 thumb screws and ripping it out of the slot.

If you have onboard video just do the XMP testing with onboard video that way the battery is accessible. Or throw the GPU in a lower PCI slot for the time being.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Smythe posted:

used my old crusty brain to remember that TeraCopy exists, and it is based.

epic computer janitor software from the olden days: teracopy & dban =DD

honestly mate i'd just use the utility to make a USB windows boot drive that's up to date (google windows 10 installation utility tool) and use that. if you're using a password manager i can't stress enough how little of a pain in the rear end it is - install ur browser of choice, log into everything and you're done. you can even keep your steam drive, it's pro.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

:shrug: the clear jumper worked eventually, and manually setting the speed to 3600 instead of relying on the auto detected "3603" got it running

Now comes the fun part: meddling with the asus software

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

CoolCab posted:

honestly mate i'd just use the utility to make a USB windows boot drive that's up to date (google windows 10 installation utility tool) and use that. if you're using a password manager i can't stress enough how little of a pain in the rear end it is - install ur browser of choice, log into everything and you're done. you can even keep your steam drive, it's pro.

yah just wanted to make sure i didnt lose anything. i already have a piece of poo poo 256gb SSD as my boot drive so wanted to use that again. i have a million keys through MSVLSC which OWNS. anyways this isnt the IT helpdesk thread so I will fly :sweep: away. THANK U :tipshat:

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders
Just want a sanity check on my build list
Primary uses are for 1080p gaming on triple-A titles, occasional audio production (mastering, mixing, etc), emulation, light overclocking, digital archival. Lots and lots of 24-96 FLAC. Parts are already bought, so more looking to make sure I didn't make any glaring errors.

Old Build
CPU - i7 2600k @ 4.0 ghz
MOBO - Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P
RAM - 16GB Corsair XMS3 @ 1600 mhz
GPU - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB WINDFORCE OC <- I'm carrying this over during the GPU apocalypse, will upgrade when stock improves or the RTX 4000 series drops
Storage -120gb SATA ADATA Premier SSD (OS drive)
512gb SATA Sandisk Ultra SSD (Music-Audio Production)
3x1tb SATA WD Blue HDDs RAID 0 (Games)
2tb Seagate Barracuda SSHD (Emulation)
2x2tb Seagate OEM HDDs (More Emulation)
2x4tb Toshiba Canvio Basics External HDDs (Bulk External Storage) <-I'm carrying these over, less than 6 months old



New Build
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $349.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $54.99)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $182.99)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (Purchased For $164.99)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $119.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $129.99)
Storage: Seagate Exos X14 12 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $189.99)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (Purchased For $124.99)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.99)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $119.66)
Case Fan: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $16.95)
External Storage: Toshiba Canvio Desk 4 TB External Hard Drive (Purchased For $84.99)
External Storage: Toshiba Canvio Desk 4 TB External Hard Drive (Purchased For $84.99)
Total: $2055.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-03 00:16 EDT-0400

Edit:
The GPU and 12tb Exos drive I got secondhand from an IT friend who was upgrading his personal rig, so the prices reflect what I paid for them

Negative_Kittens fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Apr 3, 2021

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Negative_Kittens posted:

Just want a sanity check on my build list
Primary uses are for 1080p gaming on triple-A titles, occasional audio production (mastering, mixing, etc), emulation, light overclocking, digital archival. Lots and lots of 24-96 FLAC. Parts are already bought, so more looking to make sure I didn't make any glaring errors.

Old Build
CPU - i7 2600k @ 4.0 ghz
MOBO - Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P
RAM - 16GB Corsair XMS3 @ 1600 mhz
GPU - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB WINDFORCE OC <- I'm carrying this over during the GPU apocalypse, will upgrade when stock improves or the RTX 4000 series drops
Storage -120gb SATA ADATA Premier SSD (OS drive)
512gb SATA Sandisk Ultra SSD (Music-Audio Production)
3x1tb SATA WD Blue HDDs RAID 0 (Games)
2tb Seagate Barracuda SSHD (Emulation)
2x2tb Seagate OEM HDDs (More Emulation)
2x4tb Toshiba Canvio Basics External HDDs (Bulk External Storage) <-I'm carrying these over, less than 6 months old



New Build
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $349.99)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (Purchased For $54.99)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $182.99)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (Purchased For $164.99)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $119.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Purchased For $113.99)
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $129.99)
Storage: Seagate Exos X14 12 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $189.99)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (Purchased For $124.99)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.99)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $119.66)
Case Fan: Fractal Design Dynamic X2 GP-12 52.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $16.95)
External Storage: Toshiba Canvio Desk 4 TB External Hard Drive (Purchased For $84.99)
External Storage: Toshiba Canvio Desk 4 TB External Hard Drive (Purchased For $84.99)
Total: $2055.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-04-03 00:16 EDT-0400

The only question is why the 3 single TB SSDs? different sets of projects?

Also, you may not be able to utilize 2 NVMes at full speed and retain full functionality of the rest of your SATA ports, you'll have to consult your manual on if/which ports it disables, because usually the chipset will disable some SATA to make room for NVMe. You will get one 4x NVMe slot that comes directly off the CPU, but the second NVMe usually comes at a cost, disabling SATA ports to make room for it on the chipset of the motherboard.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Apr 3, 2021

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders

orange juche posted:

The only question is why the 3 single TB SSDs? different sets of projects?

Yeah you're right, one's for fast audio production storage, one for scratch data, and one for redundancy on the audio production storage

Edit: And I checked, the second NVME disables ports 5 and 6, so hopefully no issues there
Edit 2: The 980 Pro 1tb is actually a 980 1tb, but PCPartPicker doesn't have it listed right now. Dunno if that affects anything.

Negative_Kittens fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 3, 2021

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
while this is not absolutely always true, my impression was a 2tb SDD is cheaper than 2 1tb SSDs (and it leaves you more room for expansion). look around they go on sale quite a bit.

e: err didn't notice you've already bought. you're in better shape than i am i still have old 128 gig ones i got super cheap loose in my case lol

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders

CoolCab posted:

while this is not absolutely always true, my impression was a 2tb SDD is cheaper than 2 1tb SSDs (and it leaves you more room for expansion). look around they go on sale quite a bit.

e: err didn't notice you've already bought. you're in better shape than i am i still have old 128 gig ones i got super cheap loose in my case lol

Oh man I know that life. My current build has 8 sata drives in a case (Antec Nine Hundred) that supports 6, with a mobo that supports 6, and a pci add on that gets me the other two. I have drives taped to drives in a wall at the front of my case, blocking all the airflow I carefully thought out a decade ago.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast
what is a "SDD" is that what we're calling HDDs now?

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Finally, the soft disk drive...

Vir
Dec 14, 2007

Does it tickle when your Body Thetans flap their wings, eh Beatrice?
I'd go for two 140 mm fans on the intake but 120mm fans work fine too.

Vir fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Apr 3, 2021

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders

Vir posted:

I'd go for two 140 mm fans on the intake but 120mm fans work fine too.

I'll keep that in mind when I go to refresh this in a year or two, I'll get the GPU replaced, add more RAM and replace the front 120s with 140s. Thanks.

Edit: Is it still the consensus that Noctua is the fan brand leader, or are there other competitive fan options when I go to upgrade? I hear good things about the ML120s and ML140s too, but never really knew there was so much fan market segmentation. I just got an extra fan that's the same as the fans the case comes with, because I have no idea about fans at all. Is that bad?

Negative_Kittens fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Apr 3, 2021

Mistikman
Jan 21, 2001

I was born ready. I'm Ron Fucking Swanson.

Sniep posted:

what is a "SDD" is that what we're calling HDDs now?

SSD, and it stands for solid state drive.

HDD nowadays generally refers to the older style of drive with spinning disks, which are still commonly used for data drives where access speed isn't particularly important.

There are a couple different form factors for SSDs, with the original ones simply being smaller than HDDs but generally hooking up the same way. Newer ones are an M.2 format and connect directly to the motherboard and look closer to a stick of RAM than a traditional hard drive.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The Arctic PWM PST fans have identical performance of Noctua for a fraction of the price. You can also daisy chain as many as you want without any splitter. But I highly suspect that performance is so good because they just copy the designs.

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders

Mu Zeta posted:

The Arctic PWM PST fans have identical performance of Noctua for a fraction of the price. You can also daisy chain as many as you want without any splitter. But I highly suspect that performance is so good because they just copy the designs.

So something like these? Does pressure or airflow matter more?
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-ACFAN00124A-P14-PWM-Pressure-Optimized/dp/B07GZHCM3Z

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Mistikman posted:

SSD, and it stands for solid state drive.

HDD nowadays generally refers to the older style of drive with spinning disks, which are still commonly used for data drives where access speed isn't particularly important.

There are a couple different form factors for SSDs, with the original ones simply being smaller than HDDs but generally hooking up the same way. Newer ones are an M.2 format and connect directly to the motherboard and look closer to a stick of RAM than a traditional hard drive.

the post i was replying to was using SSD vs SDD

Mistikman
Jan 21, 2001

I was born ready. I'm Ron Fucking Swanson.
Oh you didn't quote and you weren't responding to the one immediately above yours so I thought you were some dude who wandered into the thread from 1998.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

there are competing schools of thought on this but honestly my pitch is "just stick as many fans in there as there are holes for fans". they cost next to nothing compared to other components, the more you have in the less they need to run acoustically and a ton of fans lets you really push the performance without worrying about cooking your rig. build a wind tunnel in your case.

i have three (bad, choked, cheap case) 120mm fans pulling air in, two good fans exhausting and a bonus intake one on top, then two more on the cooler pointed directly at the exhaust. it meant i could get decent performance out of a lovely case and could spread the cost - pick up the fans a month later or w/e when they're on promo.

Negative_Kittens
Apr 8, 2008

[ASK] me about multiple personality disorders

CoolCab posted:

there are competing schools of thought on this but honestly my pitch is "just stick as many fans in there as there are holes for fans". they cost next to nothing compared to other components, the more you have in the less they need to run acoustically and a ton of fans lets you really push the performance without worrying about cooking your rig. build a wind tunnel in your case.

i have three (bad, choked, cheap case) 120mm fans pulling air in, two good fans exhausting and a bonus intake one on top, then two more on the cooler pointed directly at the exhaust. it meant i could get decent performance out of a lovely case and could spread the cost - pick up the fans a month later or w/e when they're on promo.

I figured I'd run the two preinstalled in the front, one in the back for exhaust, and then mount the 240 aio on top. Which got me thinking after some research, if positive pressure is ideal for dust, and negative pressure for removing heat, if the case fans aren't PWM then at idle when the cooler fans are spun down a bit, I'd get the benefits of positive pressure, and when the cpu is taxed, the cooler fans would spin up and I'd get the heat removing negative pressure.

And then I read a lengthy article about how pressure differences in cases are negligible and mostly placebo and preference, and the only thing that matters is unimpeded airflow. So I'm not sure what to think.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

I am a spectacularly bad poster and everyone in the Schadenfreude thread hates my guts.

Mu Zeta posted:

The Arctic PWM PST fans have identical performance of Noctua for a fraction of the price. You can also daisy chain as many as you want without any splitter. But I highly suspect that performance is so good because they just copy the designs.

They look totally different though, it's thermaltake that copied the nfa12x25 wholesale



Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Apr 3, 2021

Astaldo
Jan 4, 2015

xXxGangsterNinjaAssassinxXx
I bought a Dell pre-built with a 3060 ti for 1100 euro's with coupons. Already ordered an aftermarket cooler and extra fans, but actually feeling pretty good about this. I'm sure I'll be proven wrong by Dell's QC.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust


I would click on the "PWM PST" because the PST is what has the daisy chain feature.

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