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Shima Honnou posted:ever notice how nobody pretends to care about any muslims other than the victims of heisenberg's uncertainty genocide
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buddy if it were actually about genocide those people would be equally angry about and actively thinking about yemen and palestine and arizona and would hate the british as much or more than they hate the nazis and soviets
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https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1378933652172726273?s=19quote:The bourgeois press, articulating the fears of really nobody other than its owners, rattles off one tragedy after another:
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a political group doing good things for the people they represent for the sole purpose of getting the people to like them more? my god do their authoritarian impulses know no bounds!?
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We need an emote for cspam that incorporates LMAO and comrade mao.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Comedic genius: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3931578 Imagine having mental health issues and really needing the D&D v. C-SPAM feud's opportunities for toxicity and abuse as outlets. It's sad but funny.
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https://twitter.com/NicolleDWallace/status/1378777579625267201 Sadly, they are not being ironic.
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Clip-On Fedora posted:https://twitter.com/NicolleDWallace/status/1378777579625267201 i agree that pete buttigieg is in a league of his own when it comes to content and tone
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spacemang_spliff posted:Although the US is at the very least complicit in the yemeni genocide The Yemni Genocide isn't even the first genocide the US has aided in in the just 20 years. The Iraqi Civil War (in 2006) was entirely caused by the US invasion and how we heightened sectarian conflict in the country during thr occupation lead to at best mass ethnic cleansing
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KomradeX posted:The Yemni Genocide isn't even the first genocide the US has aided in in the just 20 years. The Iraqi Civil War (in 2006) was entirely caused by the US invasion and how we heightened sectarian conflict in the country during thr occupation lead to at best mass ethnic cleansing the US will take any excuse it can to do some good ol genocide, really
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somebody ages ago suggested that some liberal org was astroturfing imgur resulting in a glub of bad liberal content and im inclined to agree because imgur has been not much of a source lately and just the other day the front page had an image of tibetan serfs burning their leases of course its also possible theyre just disengaging from politics because the democrat run concentration camps are indefensible but come on man cant i have a little bit of hope as a treat
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spacemang_spliff posted:I missed the big thread on china's actions against the uyghur community, but it seems the opinion of everyone outside of cspam is that questioning the sources of a lot of the claims of genocide (eg western countries with an antagonistic relationship with china and the victims of communism foundation) is in itself genocide denial. That seems problematic to me. The people in question are essentially applying the same sort of morality to the situation you describe as they do to a "victim accusing someone of rape" sort of situation. The US government figured out that there's One Weird Trick that you can use to persuade liberals to support virtually any foreign policy agenda - simply identify any vaguely plausible crime that a foreign government has committed and center the political narrative around it. You don't even need to convince them that intervention is necessary - you just have to make sure that they're constantly talking about how bad the target country is, and that acts as a sort of lubricant for pushing whatever actions the government wants to do in the future. The US institutes new sanctions or fires up a proxy war? Maybe it's not ideal, but you don't want to "carry water" for the Bad Country! Even on the off-chance you can't get them to directly support hostile actions, they certainly won't oppose those actions (because they don't want to defend the Bad Country).
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what makes the warmongering vs china baffling is that it is a fight that the US cannot win, and the government fuckin knows this but decided to play chicken anyway this can only end extremely well for everyone
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I remember, in what 2019, arguing with people that would literally say China is trying to colonize Hong Kong. To them saying that is like saying Washington is trying to colonize New York City, would just bounce off of them even as our became increasingly clear these were right wing protests. Though one of my favorite things from last year during the mass protests, when people would say can't we just glue bricks to the road like in Hong Kong, and having to explain to them that worked because the Hong Kong police mostly used normal vehicles while US police departments break out military surplus that in theory would have no problem driving over it. Or how no one really thought about how the US crackdown was much harsher than the Chinese. Could you imagine if the Hong Kong police department had put a 70 year old man in the hospital for returning a Helmut to them, caught on video none the less, he'd be the new tank man
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First time catching up on this thread since the whole force the vote thing and it seems the consensus is AOC has become even worse? What's she done now
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Yinlock posted:what makes the warmongering vs china baffling is that it is a fight that the US cannot win, and the government fuckin knows this but decided to play chicken anyway dying empire speedrun
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Yinlock posted:what makes the warmongering vs china baffling is that it is a fight that the US cannot win, and the government fuckin knows this but decided to play chicken anyway It's something that COVID made me realize last year when getting things from China was difficult because they stree locked down and the US was sitting down how suddenly there were all these shortages, any war with China that somehow doesnt turn nuclear that lasts say more than 3 weeks the US economy would collapse. (Also if we tried to bring South Korea, Taiwan and Japan to fight I'm pretty sure South Korea would join up with the China and North Korea to gently caress up the Japanese)
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KomradeX posted:I remember, in what 2019, arguing with people that would literally say China is trying to colonize Hong Kong. To them saying that is like saying Washington is trying to colonize New York City, would just bounce off of them even as our became increasingly clear these were right wing protests. The Chinese police actually understand they exist to serve the state, American police believe the opposite
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Yinlock posted:what makes the warmongering vs china baffling is that it is a fight that the US cannot win, and the government fuckin knows this but decided to play chicken anyway there is no shortage of people willing to tell the Washington establishment that A. actually, the US can win a war versus China B. the US will never actually need to go into a war with China, because sanctions are enough, and China will back down before it gets any worse C. the US itself does not want war, because nobody wants war, and nobody will descend into war, because international markets and logistical chains are too intertwined
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Well and malicious intending people alike priming the pump with "Xi is a bad guy, but..."
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To be fair China wouldn't win a war with the U.S either, regardless if Superman threw all the nukes into space. The scenario is pretty much MAD for everyone regardless. Both the U.S and China would be reduced to husks if they truly committed to war with each other.
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galagazombie posted:To be fair China wouldn't win a war with the U.S either, regardless if Superman threw all the nukes into space. The scenario is pretty much MAD for everyone regardless. Both the U.S and China would be reduced to husks if they truly committed to war with each other. nah man they're totally going to do an airborne invasion right into my suburb
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Goatse Master posted:First time catching up on this thread since the whole force the vote thing and it seems the consensus is AOC has become even worse? What's she done now 
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Ardennes posted:The most depressing part of future C-Spam will have to be the “let’s get involved” primary threads. They should just be  sed on sight
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President Xi please liberate us
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galagazombie posted:To be fair China wouldn't win a war with the U.S either, regardless if Superman threw all the nukes into space. The scenario is pretty much MAD for everyone regardless. Both the U.S and China would be reduced to husks if they truly committed to war with each other. A regional victory is achievable (arguably inevitable) for China. Sinking a bunch of American ships and flattening a few ports and airbases such that the US Navy/Airforce is left holding their limp dicks back in Hawaii.
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Often Abbreviated posted:A regional victory is achievable (arguably inevitable) for China. Sinking a bunch of American ships and flattening a few ports and airbases such that the US Navy/Airforce is left holding their limp dicks back in Hawaii. China cannot project power outside of their own waters Only a handful of their boats have actual blue water capability That said talking about US vs. China is dumb because they both actively profit off each other and China has a lot of money to make in free trade
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Truniht posted:China cannot project power outside of their own waters "blue water capacity" doesn't matter if you've got real air and missile bases on land completely saturating the area you're looking to deny. an aircraft carrier is a very impressive thing but an airbase on a lovely artificial island can hold just as many planes and missiles, doesn't sink, and can be reinforced by the massive industrial base a short hop away. if there's an actual fight then American ships run out of munitions after a day or so and then it's just China playing darts with anti-ship missiles. there's no case for US victory in the region.
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Yinlock posted:what makes the warmongering vs china baffling is that it is a fight that the US cannot win, and the government fuckin knows this but decided to play chicken anyway unlike the people everywhere the us goes, i will be greeting the chinese as liberators here in america
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Ytlaya posted:
This neatly explains why they really don't want anyone talking about the camps.
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the book Ideal Illusions neatly traces the history of the practice (moralizing american intervention under the guise of a "human rights" project) for anyone interested
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Organ Fiend posted:This neatly explains why they really don't want anyone talking about the camps. You're sealioning. You don't care about concentration camps in the US, and you don't care about the welfare of immigrants being held in detention centers. You only bring them up to create a sense of equivalence. 'Hey look, the US does this as well, so that makes it fine, especially since nobody in the west criticises them for that!' You don't bring it up out of a sense of moral superiority. You bring it up to create a sense of moral nullification. The message you're trying to convey is 'It is terrible, but so is everything, there is no moral high ground'. And this is where the conversation gets lost. Because some posters see genocide happening, irrefutable, plain, simple genocide, and they feel a sense of moral disgust. And some other posters see genocide happen, but they don't have the same sense of disgust. The morality of the situation isn't something that gets factored into their thinking. And really, at the heart of it, the reality of the matter doesn't really matter to those posters either. Somehow, they've detached themselves not just from their sense of human decency, but also from needing truth. Everything is unclear, anything is untrue, even what my side says is lies, but everybody else lies too. The truth, base reality, doesn't matter. Nobody knows what it is, so it doesn't matter. It's unclear. Is there any solid, irrefutable proof either way? It could be the Uighurs genociding themselves out of spite for all we know. Let's talk about how talking about Uighur genocide is western hypocrisy instead. And that is what you just don't get. You've somehow in your mind de-personed not just the Uighurs being genocided, and the immigrants in detention at the US border, but every human being who has ever had to face state persecution. The bureaucratic hum-drummery with which it is enacted somehow legitimizes it in your eyes, and turns it all into great game politics. It is as if you read The Trial by Kafka and concluded that the system is the hero. You come here to spew this filth and 'muddy the waters', because you have no understanding of why people are disgusted and enraged at genocide. You don't care about it. It's just a thing that happens, part of how the system works, and 'right and wrong' don't make any sense when it comes to national strategy, because hey, the world is a rough place, right? This is also where that tone-deaf propaganda on twitter comes from. People are supposed to see it and go 'oh yes that looks like cotton picking in the antebellum south, but a bit better, so we should shut up otherwise we'll look like hypocrites because when we did that, we did it worse'. Instead, they go 'that was terrible and morally wrong when we did it, and it is morally wrong now, when someone else does it'. The propaganda isn't supposed to placate you by telling you 'there is no genocide, the Uighurs are happy'. It's supposed to placate you by telling you 'we're doing what you did, but we're doing it more nicely'.
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