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What's Vijay Prashad's beef with David Harvey about China? Harvey seems to be relatively pro-China based on what I've read on him and what he says in his podcast. He certainly seems to say that a Cold War with China would be catastrophic.
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https://redsails.org/western-marxism-and-christianity/ There is a fundamental contradiction in many of the Marxist studies that are produced in the West. Every time that they speak of Marxism in Asia — in China, Korea or Vietnam — or when they speak of popular movements in Africa such as in Egypt or Libya, they highlight the influence of religion on these political movements and the national adaptation of Marxism. When any Marxist researcher studies, for example, Chinese Marxism, they are obliged to address the influence of Confucius’ philosophy on Chinese culture in a general manner and on Chinese Marxism in particular. Likewise, the influence that Islam has on many African countries is always taken into account in analysis of socialist nations such as Algeria. When the time comes to look at Marxism in Western politics, however, the influence of Christianity in the construction of the symbolic, subjective and theoretical universe of this Marxism is rarely taken into account. It is as if in Asia, Confucianism has an influence on politics, in Africa, Islam has an influence on politics, but in Brazil, in the US, in France, in Portugal, Christianity does not perform a similar role in forming historic subjectivity. This is a mistake for a very simple and objective reason, which Antonio Gramsci points out in several different passages of Prison Notebooks: the Catholic Church is the longest operating institution in the West. No other institution has managed to stay alive for so long with the capacity to disseminate and circulate ideas and concepts, through a body of intellectual priests, bishops and theologians, organized within a bureaucracy like the Catholic Church has. So it is impossible to speak seriously about Marxism, politics, subjectivity, culture, and the symbolic field in the West without incorporating the role of Christianity in each social formation, in each specific country as elements of analysis.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:41 |
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Ferrinus posted:https://redsails.org/western-marxism-and-christianity/ quote:Another factor that is very common in the western left is to treat suffering and extreme poverty as elements of superiority. It is very common in Western leftist culture to support martyrs and suffering. Everyone today likes Salvador Allende. Why? Salvador Allende is a victim, a martyr. He was assassinated in Pinochet’s coup d’ etat. When Hugo Chávez was alive, many sectors of the left turned their nose up at him. If he had been killed, for example, in the 2002 Coup attempt, he would be adored by the immense majority of the western left today, as a symbol of suffering and martyrdom. Since he continued exercising power as leader of a political process which, by necessity, had various contradictions, he was increasingly abandoned, as time passed — I don’t even have to mention what has happened to Maduro here. These same sectors which celebrate and support the idea of Allende because he defended democratic socialism do not see or do not want to see that Allende governed almost entirely through decrees. At the time, the Chilean constitution had a legal mechanism which enabled the executive branch to govern by decrees that did not have to be approved by parliament or the Supreme Court. So Allende was able to make laws through decrees which bypassed Congress and the Supreme Court. Since Allende did not have a majority in Congress and suffered a lot from the bourgeois opposition, he basically governed through decree throughout his entire mandate. This kind of action today is enough justification to label any left leader that practices it as authoritarian, to compare him to Trump, Bolsonaro, or Orban. If Allende was alive today he would also be criticized, but he died. i think some russian dude talked about this quote:What is now happening to Marx’s theory has, in the course of history, happened repeatedly to the theories of revolutionary thinkers and leaders of oppressed classes fighting for emancipation. During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.
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its all true though, the western left does love leftists who lose and don't get into positions of real power because they don't have to make lovely decisions in the face of blockade, strangulation, and violence in order to survive and build something tangible
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:45 |
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This guy: We to critically analyse the influence of Christianity on existing and historic Marxist movements. Also this guy: There are no differences between catholic, protestant and orthodox Christian thought.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:48 |
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MLs = catholics anarchists = evangelicals
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:51 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:
This is the single most CSPAM sentence I have ever read
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:54 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:MLs = catholics analogy fails with the recognition that evangelicals actually have powerful, disciplined institutions that exert real world power
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:56 |
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VictualSquid posted:This guy: We to critically analyse the influence of Christianity on existing and historic Marxist movements. where does he say that
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GalacticAcid posted:analogy fails with the recognition that evangelicals actually have powerful, disciplined institutions that exert real world power was about to say trots are mormons but you owned me with this
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 16:58 |
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Ferrinus posted:where does he say that It is implied in the part you quoted.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:00 |
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VictualSquid posted:This guy: We to critically analyse the influence of Christianity on existing and historic Marxist movements. It's pretty clear they're speaking of christianity in general as it relates to the west in the same way that one would speak of islam in general as it relates to the ME.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:01 |
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GalacticAcid posted:analogy fails with the recognition that evangelicals actually have powerful, disciplined institutions that exert real world power lol i do think there's something to the catholic communist theory, i mean, liberation theology evolved out of catholic areas and thinkers, and purely speaking as a lapsed catholic, there's a big sacrifice yourself for the greater good undercurrent through it, as well as going for the gorier crucifix as opposed to the barebones cross. imagine the post about understanding the humour in LF and prodromal schizophrenia edited to be about catholicism and developing class consciousness
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:01 |
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the reformation emphasized a personal individual relationship with god and that probably has implications in derived political thought
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:04 |
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GalacticAcid posted:analogy fails with the recognition that evangelicals actually have powerful, disciplined institutions that exert real world power on the other hand, both are supported by the US State Department
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:06 |
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VictualSquid posted:It is implied in the part you quoted. oh, so he doesn't say it. okay, how is it implied
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:08 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:MLs = catholics Ardent Communist posted:purely speaking as a lapsed catholic, there's a big sacrifice yourself for the greater good undercurrent through it, as well as going for the gorier crucifix as opposed to the barebones cross.
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iirc, Marx's use of the terms "value" and "use value" were just following the same use of those terms by Adam Smith and David Ricardo.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:18 |
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/05/mcconnell-corporate-america-woke-parallel-government-479042 reading this quote via a marxist lens and lollin'
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:28 |
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reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:32 |
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Ferrinus posted:reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end
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Ferrinus posted:reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:41 |
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GalacticAcid posted:analogy fails with the recognition that evangelicals actually have powerful, disciplined institutions that exert real world power speaking of, the New Apostolic Reformation is still ticking away in Newark, New Jersey also Ferrinus posted:reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 17:47 |
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Ferrinus posted:reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end
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Ferrinus posted:reading things through a marxist lens kicks rear end i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works.
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Lady Militant posted:i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works. I had a cognitive psychology professor who wrote his dissertation on how an accurate understanding of the world was highly correlated with depression. Knowing that, in and of itself, greatly contributed to my depression.
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Lady Militant posted:i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works. its true. once you realize how arbitrary and unnecessary the suffering is, and that it could be different - adds some extra stress to life imo
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VictualSquid posted:This guy: We to critically analyse the influence of Christianity on existing and historic Marxist movements. i think the theme of self-sacrifice is common to all branches of christianity today this has been muddied by prosperity gospel types but that's a recent heresy
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:01 |
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i say swears online posted:the reformation emphasized a personal individual relationship with god and that probably has implications in derived political thought even then, the puritans believed in self-denial to bring themselves closer to god
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Lady Militant posted:i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works. i feel much better for understanding how things work rather than just vaguely absorbing that they're bad honestly
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Lady Militant posted:i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works. what if there was a behavorial therapy that helped you cope with that as well, maybe some kind of dialectical process....
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:14 |
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Ferrinus posted:i feel much better for understanding how things work rather than just vaguely absorbing that they're bad honestly start thinking everything is good and print some positive psychology affirmations and put them on your wall. try opiates. get into collecting funkopops
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:15 |
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THS posted:start thinking everything is good and print some positive psychology affirmations and put them on your wall. try opiates. get into collecting funkopops that just leads your subliminal awareness that everything sucks poo poo to curdle into an obsession with cancer roots or reptoids or something
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:16 |
Lady Militant posted:i mean in the sense you have a greater understanding of how the world works than most but it also means you will probably lead an intensely miserable life because you understand how the world works. quote:0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a poo poo-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. He is starting to suspect Kras Mazov *hosed him over* personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:28 |
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here's a broad question: is there any guidance/good writing, from a Marxist or even just an ethical standpoint, for when, if ever, a country should directly interfere or intercede with another? especially the United States? like, there's always this idea of the horrible bad guys in other countries that we need to invade to destroy, but it's almost always a pretext for some neocolonialist or neoliberal hosed up poo poo so that's out. then there's the lib idea that sanctions are the "humane" alternative but everything i've seen, they wreak just as much damage and destruction to the citizens of the targeted nation. is the inherent flaw in thinking that the "stick" will ever work? should we only help other countries via giving aid? or will intervention of any sort always be imperially-tinged until we get our own affairs in order? can we ever trust the US international apparatus to do something that doesn't work towards securing its hegemony? i'm sympathetic to people who want to fight injustices abroad but also deeply suspicious of the ultimate motivation of the US doing basically anything in foreign affairs.
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australia, canada, we comin' for you!
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:43 |
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what does “average person” mean according to that image
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# ? Apr 5, 2021 18:46 |
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i say swears online posted:https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/05/mcconnell-corporate-america-woke-parallel-government-479042
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"why non-misleading statistics should use median income instead of average".jpg aka, why the real numbers would be approximately 10 times higher then in this graph.
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