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indigi posted:what does “average person” mean according to that image I assume "person of median income in x country" but its a valid question
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The dirtbag left obsession with catholism is one shared by the alt-right. I belive its mostly rooted in the aesthetics of power, but I wonder if part of it may also be an attraction to faith in a world run by bloodless liberals that believe in nothing. Evangelicals probably don't receive the same interest because of internalized liberal bias resulting in an image problem; western radicals will prefer a pedophile priesthood to lumpen, working class worshippers.
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Apr 5, 2021 18:51
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THS posted:its true. once you realize how arbitrary and unnecessary the suffering is, and that it could be different - adds some extra stress to life imo i sincerely wish i could go back and punch my middle school self in the head before i opened something awful so i would forever remain a nice lil lib instead of growing up to be a miserable commie. the insight that the entire world exists to grind the poor into dust on behalf of the worst people on earth has made me completely unable to have any positive thoughts about my personal future. Like when people ask me what I want to do when I graduate this summer I just brush the question off because my honest answer is i don't want to practice engineering under a system like this. I don't want to be a part of it, but I'm going to anyway because the alternative is self destruction.
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Apr 5, 2021 18:53
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indigi posted:what does “average person” mean according to that image must mean either median or mean income. as to which, who can say
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thotsky posted:The dirtbag left obsession with catholism is one shared by the alt-right. I belive its mostly rooted in the aesthetics of power, but I wonder if part of it may also be an attraction to faith in a world run by bloodless liberals that believe in nothing. Evangelicals probably don't receive the same interest because of internalized liberal bias resulting in an image problem; western radicals will prefer a pedophile priesthood to lumpen, working class worshippers. 
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Apr 5, 2021 19:31
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horseshoe theory is false but there are surface-level aesthetic similarities with the guys with the greek statue avatars, but i think a lot of those guys find themselves getting ejected from mainstream hard-right movement like QAnon. the "dark" weirdos of the right are inherently suspect to the militia guys and get beat up for being effete and reading yukio mishima novels. like nick land or somebody like that. but more often, i think those guys play at being cultured, like "i'm listening to beethoven because it's 'my culture'" and play at being deep but it's part of the same decadent philistine stuff which nietzsche took a giant poo poo on. i guess another side of this coin is vaush. pretty bad overall, i've gotta say  https://samirchopra.com/2016/03/10/gramsci-and-nietzsche-as-philosophers-of-culture/
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Apr 5, 2021 19:58
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as someone that was raised catholic, its a very strange and very funny religion when you get into it
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Apr 5, 2021 20:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:as someone that was raised catholic, its a very strange and very funny religion when you get into it when I was like 14-15 I had a eureka moment where realized that my devotion to Catholicism came from the exact same place as my fascination with Lord of the Rings. now I just like Lord of the Rings. but Catholicism is silly and fascinating
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Apr 5, 2021 20:27
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Lady Militant posted:i sincerely wish i could go back and punch my middle school self in the head before i opened something awful so i would forever remain a nice lil lib instead of growing up to be a miserable commie. the insight that the entire world exists to grind the poor into dust on behalf of the worst people on earth has made me completely unable to have any positive thoughts about my personal future. Like when people ask me what I want to do when I graduate this summer I just brush the question off because my honest answer is i don't want to practice engineering under a system like this. I don't want to be a part of it, but I'm going to anyway because the alternative is self destruction. unironically: you are already head and shoulders above most other engineers and you should see your lifelong task as contributing to the building of the alternative system in any way possible
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Apr 5, 2021 20:35
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Lady Militant posted:i sincerely wish i could go back and punch my middle school self in the head before i opened something awful so i would forever remain a nice lil lib instead of growing up to be a miserable commie. the insight that the entire world exists to grind the poor into dust on behalf of the worst people on earth has made me completely unable to have any positive thoughts about my personal future. Like when people ask me what I want to do when I graduate this summer I just brush the question off because my honest answer is i don't want to practice engineering under a system like this. I don't want to be a part of it, but I'm going to anyway because the alternative is self destruction. If you're receptive to it, it would have found you anyway If you weren't, it never would have. Look at D&D
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Apr 5, 2021 20:49
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wouldn't the average person have 1x their income at the end of redistribution
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Apr 5, 2021 21:03
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Flavius Aetass posted:wouldn't the average person have 1x their income at the end of redistribution i'm guessing what they're actually doing is scaling median vs. average or something like that
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Apr 5, 2021 21:04
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“the average person” often means “the typical person” i.e the median not mean
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Apr 5, 2021 21:05
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Flavius Aetass posted:wouldn't the average person have 1x their income at the end of redistribution This would be true if the measure of average was the arithmetic mean, but the arithmetic mean isn't the only measure of average  There's median and mode, as well as other kinds of mean...
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Apr 5, 2021 21:05
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what do you call the difference in wealth or income between median and arithmetic mean in a given country? does that factor into the gini coefficient?
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Apr 5, 2021 21:07
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indigi posted:when I was like 14-15 I had a eureka moment where realized that my devotion to Catholicism came from the exact same place as my fascination with Lord of the Rings. now I just like Lord of the Rings. but Catholicism is silly and fascinating Well Tolkien did pattern middle earth's cosmology off of his catholicism
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Apr 5, 2021 21:09
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Flavius Aetass posted:what do you call the difference in wealth or income between median and arithmetic mean in a given country? does that factor into the gini coefficient? it doesn’t factor into the gini coefficient but a gini coefficient of 0, perfect equality, would mean median and mean were equal, so in that sense you could see that value expressed in the gini coefficient as they’d correlate positively (higher gini, bigger gap b/t mean and median)
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Apr 5, 2021 21:15
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Deified Data posted:If you're receptive to it, it would have found you anyway I registered on SA to post in D&D because at the time i was fascinated by how people actually talked about things instead of screaming bloody murder at each other which was what I had come to expect growing up on the internet SporkOfTruth posted:unironically: you are already head and shoulders above most other engineers and you should see your lifelong task as contributing to the building of the alternative system in any way possible Of course, if I had a choice that's what I would do with my time! Re-organizing our society around not being a complete loving meat grinder for everyone involved; except that's not a job that pays you money rn, because it goes against everything we are conditioned to believe about meritocracy from birth in this blasted hellscape of a country.
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Deified Data posted:If you're receptive to it, it would have found you anyway i dont believe this because it implies some disposition to socialism, or worse a sort of superiority, as if other people just arent able to receive it. it can imply that you didnt just by circumstance stumble onto what i believe is the most accurate way to view the world there are so many paths and offramps, circumstances, choices you think you made but really didnt, that can lead one to a materialist analysis of history and politics - or lead you to sliding somewhere else entirely really i see it as less “you would have found it anyway” and more “there but for the grace of god go i”
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Apr 5, 2021 21:37
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THS posted:really i see it as less “you would have found it anyway” and more “there but for the grace of god go i” as someone who got into politics as a teenager through the pipeline of: terry goodkind novels > ayn rand novels i basically shudder to imagine what kind of horrible being i might be if i hadn't joined some internet communities that figuratively punched me in the jaw for being a loving dumbass. cyberbullying works, and is good, is what i'm saying.
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Apr 5, 2021 21:54
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i absolutely got bullied into communism, by mccaine no less
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Apr 5, 2021 21:56
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lol same, also hidingfromgoro effortposts
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Apr 5, 2021 21:59
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godspeed you communist bullies
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Apr 5, 2021 21:59
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I wasn't cyberbullied into communism specifically but being dunked on via twitter helped me to shed some eurocentric views and chauvinism that was hanging on for sure lol
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i got tricked into buying cyclonopedia by an LF and that melted my brain
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THS posted:i dont believe this because it implies some disposition to socialism, or worse a sort of superiority, as if other people just arent able to receive it. it can imply that you didnt just by circumstance stumble onto what i believe is the most accurate way to view the world Sure, I don't disagree. To clarify I'm taking into account the road they took to discovering socialism, I absolutely don't think it's a seed that's planted at conception and then sprouts. D&D people took a different road in life with different challenges, and because of that the things we found convincing, they did not. I don't mean to imply they'll never find that one argument that will convert them. Or regrettably that none of us won't find a way to slide back into complacency. I got the bug in my early 20's reading China Mieville. Went straight from libertarian to socialist off the strength of his argument for safety and social connection being the highest form of personal freedom. Everything since has been slowly putting the puzzle pieces together. Though I admit, a lot of that puzzle got solved in 2020 lol. A whole hell of a lot.
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I was a boring lib who flirted with conservative ideology internally until I became furious about bad faith governance - they sabotaged the data collection needed to support their own policies (because it would have proven them wrong) this incensed me enough to dive head-on into communism
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i came at my worldview from more a foreign policy perspective than economics or workplace democracy. my 7th grade english teacher spent two months having us pore over magazine advertisements asking us how they were getting us to buy their products to recognize marketing and propaganda. at the end of the year i tagged along with some college kids with Christ for the Nations in dallas where we went on a mission trip to israel to convert the jews. i was pretty horrified by the israeli propaganda contrasted with the reality of palestine. a kid with no feet begged me for money by repeating "no mother, no mother" and i've been dti dta ever since. the economic stuff came ~8 years later after a libertarian phase where i went to go hear michael badnarik speak and thought he was an idiot
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Lady Militant posted:I registered on SA to post in D&D because at the time i was fascinated by how people actually talked about things instead of screaming bloody murder at each other which was what I had come to expect growing up on the internet i think the good part of this for you personally is that are a ton of STEM-lords that are absolutely miserable because they achieve everything they were told to achieve and yet they still feel hollow. it's a consolation to be aware that people are the valuable thing in the world, and i truly think you are lucky for realizing it early
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i say swears online posted:michael badnarik ahahahahahahahaha
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Deified Data posted:If you're receptive to it, it would have found you anyway I doubt that. I mean, I guess it's theoretically possible to come to actual socialism by way of convincing argument or from wanting to emulate someone you look up to, but I think for most people confronting their existing ideology is traumatic and requires you to be broken down before they're receptive. Certainly if they're in a position of privilege.
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THS posted:ahahahahahahahaha it was an important step in my personal development!!! 2004 was a bad year
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Raskolnikov38 posted:as someone that was raised catholic, its a very strange and very funny religion when you get into it having spent hundreds of hours copying scripture in detention, it is a strange and funny religion with a propensity for corporal discipline
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i was beaten in my baptist elementary school too, don't leave us out
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Lady Militant posted:i sincerely wish i could go back and punch my middle school self in the head before i opened something awful so i would forever remain a nice lil lib instead of growing up to be a miserable commie. the insight that the entire world exists to grind the poor into dust on behalf of the worst people on earth has made me completely unable to have any positive thoughts about my personal future. Like when people ask me what I want to do when I graduate this summer I just brush the question off because my honest answer is i don't want to practice engineering under a system like this. I don't want to be a part of it, but I'm going to anyway because the alternative is self destruction. Echoing everyone saying that having a minimum respect for labor and the capacity for self-criticism already makes you better than most engineers; and also adding congrats for getting this far 
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i say swears online posted:i was beaten in my baptist elementary school too, don't leave us out yeah but afaik baptists don’t believe in the expurgation of sins via deeds/suffering so they just did it because they were at best lazy or at worst sadistic
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:what if there was a behavorial therapy that helped you cope with that as well, maybe some kind of dialectical process.... Copeital
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ToxicAcne posted:What's Vijay Prashad's beef with David Harvey about China? Harvey seems to be relatively pro-China based on what I've read on him and what he says in his podcast. He certainly seems to say that a Cold War with China would be catastrophic. There’s an article about this in marchs monthly review that I can post once I get back home
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Sorry I meant back from the gym... I was at the gym
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Algund Eenboom posted:Sorry I meant back from the gym... I was at the gym what to gently caress you super spreader
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