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Boba Pearl posted:Ah, I will go tell the homeless then that their apartments are move-in ready. god i wish
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Weembles posted:What's the implication here? That there isn't actually a shortage of afforable housing in SF or that SF is already full with regard to the poors and the rest should "pa vini?" No, the implication is that SROs aren't at all the only affordable housing in SF. Every time the topic of housing in SF comes up there's at least one person claiming that poor people in SF are like, rare, or something lol. Claims that they all live only in this one neighborhood, or they all live in SROs, or the only poor people are the homeless people, and the real poors all actually live in Oakland and that all "poor" SF residents are actually wealthy and just think that they're poor because the avocado toast is so expensive lol...etc, etc
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Weembles posted:This whole conversation has been about there being little to no available affordable housing. It's not hyperbolic, it's just a restatement of the premise. To say that SROs are the only affordable housing in SF is extremely wrong. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that.
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Boba Pearl posted:Ah, I will go tell the homeless then that their apartments are move-in ready. Sorry if I think shoving unhoused families into a shoebox and telling them hey you're lucky to get that is still a pretty lovely situation. I get unhoused -> housed is just completely not in the cards for way too many people right now and so the mood is that anything kind of housing is preferable, SRO's only address single occupants, as is stated in the name. Unhoused families are a real and terrible thing if you're advocating for more housing then you need to include units that are big enough for somebody with a partner and/or kids. OMGVBFLOL posted:god i wish 
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DeadlyMuffin posted:I think the point is that SROs are not the only cheap option. Not that everything is sunshine and rainbows. The comment they were responding to was hyperbolic. Yeah. Saying SROs are the only affordable housing in SF makes as much sense as saying they're the only affordable housing in Boston, or NYC, or LA, or Detroit. It's just not true lol. They are the only available option to plenty of people, but that's different than them being the only affordable housing in the city. Rah! fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Rah! posted:Yeah. Saying SROs are the only affordable housing in SF makes as much sense as saying they're the only affordable housing in Boston, or NYC, or LA, or Detroit. It's just not true lol. im only speaking for myself, but I never said they're the only affordable option, i said in response to "nobody wants a 600sqft studio even poor people" that SROs are way smaller than 600sqft and are nearly always at 0-10% vacancy.
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OMGVBFLOL posted:im only speaking for myself, but I never said they're the only affordable option, i said in response to "nobody wants a 600sqft studio even poor people" that SROs are way smaller than 600sqft and are nearly always at 0-10% vacancy. I was just responding to the guy who claimed that SROs are the only affordable housing option in SF. They are a significant source of existing affordable housing, but far from the only one, that's the only point I'm making. I agree that most people would be happier with more space than what an SRO offers. But small housing is infinitely better than no housing, of course, and some people do like the idea of a small living space i guess. Rah! fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Rah! posted:I was just responding to the guy who claimed that SROs are the only affordable housing option in SF. They are a significant source of existing affordable housing, but far from the only one, that's the only point I'm making. I agree that most people would be happier with more space than what an SRO offers. I was hyperbolic in my take and apologize, for what it's worth. Rent control/housing policy gets me hot under the collar. 
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Home and hearth is pretty close to the heart for a lot of people.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Home and hearth is pretty close to the heart for a lot of people.
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Infinite Karma posted:Pretty much. Unless you're gonna go full on dictator, it's never gonna have popular support to force people into different living situations against their will. it's extremely popular to do exactly that, we just currently only do it on behalf of landlords and banks instead of people Cactus Ghost fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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I'm actually looking for a place in San Francisco / Bay Area, could you post some of these affordable apartments? (I'm not being an rear end in a top hat, I legit will have to move in 2 years and am having trouble even finding a cheap 1 bed room or studio apartment)
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Boba Pearl posted:I'm actually looking for a place in San Francisco / Bay Area, could you post some of these affordable apartments? - Be on a month-to-month lease somewhere else, this will take awhile - Trawl craigslist during the week for places in less desirable areas (sunset/richmond/tenderloin/hunter's point) being rented by individual people instead of companies (cheaper, will be less well run). Be able to separate out scams from real things. - Go look at a bunch of places on Saturday - Be able to sign a lease the same day as you see something you like. Anyplace decent and cheapish will be rented in a week Otherwise, you need a friend-of-a-friend whose leaving something, or to be replacing a roommate somewhere with a rent controlled master tenant that's been there a long time.
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Boba Pearl posted:I'm actually looking for a place in San Francisco / Bay Area, could you post some of these affordable apartments? Gotta give us a better idea. North bay south bay or east bay? Marin county or sonoma county? Seems like a lot of info to give up, but this is seriously important to finding an affordable apt.
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OMGVBFLOL posted:it's extremely popular to do exactly that, we just currently only do it on behalf of landlords and banks instead of people Yeah, I was talking about being able to get people homes at all, not that guy's weird obsession with what kind of places they live in, lol
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:You might also want to hit up the Bay Area thread in LAN if you’re looking to cast a wider net for advice +1 to that, both for a wider audience and just in general, that's a good thread
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Gavin ending Covid restrictions and doing away with the tier system on June 15. Doesn't seem optimal! https://abc7news.com/newsom-update-green-tier-california-system-orange-rules/10491250/
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I mean, the first line specifically says "if current trends hold" and that the mask mandate will stay in place. The current trends look really good (to me, a lay person who does not work in medicine or public health). Currently more than 40% of the state has at least one dose of vaccine (~18% with one dose, 23% fully vaccinated) per the state dashboard. I am having trouble parsing the vaccine uptake data they show, but looking at the 7-day average death rate from a month ago, we are at less than 10% of the daily deaths from a month ago (7 vs 80). New cases of Covid are down by about 30% from a month ago (5 per 100k population vs 7.2 per 100k) and 80% from 2 months ago (5 per 100k vs 26 per 100k). Test positivity is down about 30% from a month ago (1.6% vs 2.2%) and 75% from 2 months ago (1.6% vs 6.3%). All of these stats are either the best they've been (test positivity rates) or the best they've been since May of last year. I can understand why, if the current trends continue (and even if they slow down in terms of rate of improvement), opening might look possible in 10 weeks. A month ago, I thought Gavbot was an idiot for saying that MLB would be able to have fans in the stadium on opening day. Now that opening day has come and gone, I would think twice about going myself, but seeing how California is behaving compared to Texas, I can understand why reasonable people would feel safe enough to attend.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Gavin ending Covid restrictions and doing away with the tier system on June 15. Doesn't seem optimal! Opener up!
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Gavin ending Covid restrictions and doing away with the tier system on June 15. Doesn't seem optimal! What looks optimal to you?
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The free market can't and won't solve all problems with housing, there will always be a need for social housing programs, but right now it's basically de facto illegal to build things like SROs in areas that need them the most. Apartments get built in poorer neighborhoods because poor people lack the time and social capital to drive up the cost of construction with complaints to the city council, bullshit CEQA lawsuits, etc. Kenning posted:This is a dumb bad misread of American politics. The original "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" quote attributed to Steinbeck is a misquote and a decontextualization. In the original, he's referring to a specific group of middle-class Communists he knew in the 30s who he felt like weren't actually dedicated revolutionaries, but were "temporarily embarrassed capitalists." The average poor or working person has no delusions about their position in the hierarchy or their ability through hard work and grit to get to the top. Their chief political characteristic is disengagement, either due to appropriate disillusion about the degree to which their needs are considered by the political class, or to simple weariness and overwork. Voting and other political activity increases as you move up the scale of wealth and income, both because more wealth produces more investment in the outcomes of political decisions, and because it affords you more leisure and greater resources to partake in politics. While it's true that voting, political knowledge and emotional investment in politics/ideology generally are predicted by income/education statistically, there really isn't a lot of evidence for the idea that there's some secret army of socialist voters out there to be activated. If you could get the non-voting poor to vote they'd probably vote similarly to how other people of their race/income/gender voted. The poor are more likely to be non-white and female so they'd probably make the electorate more liberal overall if they did vote, yeah, but the result wouldn't be full communism now, it'd probably just mean that more democrats would get elected. Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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FCKGW posted:What looks optimal to you? Not a restaurant packed full of unmasked people with no capacity restriction, that's for sure. And yeah, I know there's already lots of places doing that here in Placer, but giving people official permission to do just that seems... bad.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Not a restaurant packed full of unmasked people with no capacity restriction, that's for sure. And yeah, I know there's already lots of places doing that here in Placer, but giving people official permission to do just that seems... bad. The mask mandate isn’t ending on June 15th
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tigersklaw posted:The mask mandate isn’t ending on June 15th There’s no mask mandate when your sitting at a table in a restaurant packed to the gills with 150 people. I’m definitely staying away for a while despite me getting shot 2 tomorrow.
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Yeah restaurants, bars, movie theaters, etc all being back open at full capacity means that a continued mask mandate is, for all intents and purposes, little more than feel good policy. Even before people had the vaccine if you went somewhere with outdoor dining 9/10 people ripped their mask off as soon as they sat down at their table, and you were lucky if they bothered to put it on when their server came around without being reminded. No way you're going to enforce patrons at a bar to put their mask back up between sips.
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I went to get a coffee on Saturday and it was absolutely packed, no distancing just 30 people all sitting on chairs and lounges, no masks. It was like a 2019 starbucks on a busy day. Noped the gently caress out of there immediately. Those poor workers.
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tigersklaw posted:The mask mandate isn’t ending on June 15th lmao What mask mandate?
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You’re right, I was just going off what I had read. Realistically there is no mandate
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I actually thought we'd already reopened, because a whole bunch of restaurants here in Hayward are doing maskless indoor dining and have been for at least a month.  quote:lmao Yeah, that's basically where I am now. It's back to what it was like at the beginning of the pandemic where masks are in the extreme minority. 
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So there's some evidence showing that the 3rd/4th wave is being effected by children. Really glad we're rushing to reopen so we can have 30% of students wake up, get to school, and sit at a desk all day to do in-person online classes!Sundae posted:Yeah, that's basically where I am now. It's back to what it was like at the beginning of the pandemic where masks are in the extreme minority.
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A lot of people can only show up to work because there's state-sponsored daycare for their children in the form of schooling during much of their work day. Rushing to open schools has nothing to do with concerns about education and everything to do with dumping kids back into the system so their parents can be dragged back into the office for the sake of the almighty number going up.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:There is no such thing as masked dining But there is such thing as PRETENDING to require masks, which they're not even bothering with. No masks required to come in at all, tables back to their usual spots, large groups crowded around tables / bars.
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Sundae posted:But there is such thing as PRETENDING to require masks, which they're not even bothering with. Good, frankly, because pretending to require masks gives only the illusion of safety. At least this way no one is under the illusion they are protected from COVID. They just don't care. You might call it going full mask-off.
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Shear Modulus posted:will they at least do temperature checks and have hand sanitizer dispensers and other mostly-performative measures The offices have multiple lucite dividers. There are sanitizer dispensers, foot operated pumps, and auto dispensers being installed. All the filters are MERV rated to filter out everything from fartz to COVID. There's a checkin app that people can use to avoid getting asked questions of symptoms every day. Grades are being subdivided into PODS that minimize cross-interactions. Some even have loving arrows sprayed on the floors to help guide people around. They're banning outside food like kids bringing Starbucks every morning too. This will all fail once cohort-starved kids get back but it's a hell of a thing to see.
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