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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:thanks for all the informed posting. the thread does not need to pull up imo. many enjoyers of the last few pages would like Anathem by Neal Stephenson imo. At least one of the 5 Eyes alliance is on here, especially since offshoots of this site spawned 4chan and other degenerate sites
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Fried Watermelon posted:At least one of the 5 Eyes alliance is on here, especially since offshoots of this site spawned 4chan and other degenerate sites
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Perry Mason Jar posted:There was a Crypto Cuttlefish thread that mentioned how intelligence agencies were (are?) infiltrating internet message boards and becoming mods in order to stifle organic (self-policing) community. This is not to say that moderation is bad but a unilateral moderation certainly is and we need to free my mans Cuppy Tea who didn't do poo poo!! Cuppy Tea's derails were fun. Marzzle's aren't, and go on for too many pages. It's a shame. Got a link to the Crypto Cuttlefish thread? Backweb has issued a correction as of 21:29 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I've mentioned it here before but Klaus Theweleit's Male Fantasies should be mandatory reading. Talk about brain shaping. ngl i listened to you the first time you rec'd this and I abandoned it halfway through just cuz it wasn't my bag tho all the dunking on nazi diary entries is lol
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Thanks! Also, Jesus. That's frightening. Project Chanology and the child porn allegations against the organizers makes me wonder how many CoS members infiltrated intelligence. I know they were deep in certain other departments...
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nut posted:ngl i listened to you the first time you rec'd this and I abandoned it halfway through just cuz it wasn't my bag tho all the dunking on nazi diary entries is lol Well thanks for trying anyway, hahaha. It is extremely my bag but I won't prod.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Well thanks for trying anyway, hahaha. It is extremely my bag but I won't prod. in my defense, I read a ton about and am deeply interested the awkward attempts that have been made to tease and fold psychiatry into mainstream medicine, in part since this parallels the massive military recruitment of neurologists/psychologists/psychiatrics/neuroscience. Accordingly, psychoanalysis gets tossed by the wayside as it was largely abandoned as unscientific around then, outside of attempts to frame it organically through things like Sandor Rado's adaptational psychodynamics, inherited by Robert Heath and many of the MKUltra crew
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Drug chat can gently caress off back to TCC unless we're talking MK-ULTRA.
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StratGoatCom posted:Hallucinogen chat can gently caress off back to TCC unless we're talking MK-ULTRA. Edit: oh blow me mobile app.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Well thanks for trying anyway, hahaha. It is extremely my bag but I won't prod. I just started reading this, 50 pages in and it seems like something I'll finish but not understand half of it.
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GWBBQ posted:if nothing else, i can see why fbi and interpol agents working on crimes against children would want to get in on the mod forums if they want access to the mod forums they should have joined the CIA instead of the FBI
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Trabisnikof posted:There are open news reporting of a CIA official praising an SA mod for doing the work that the CIA wants to do but can’t so..... I assume some of the early SA/reddit friction was infighting between different power structures in the intel community. seeing how reddit was ran by the 'epstein' maxwell arm of the intelligence services....
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Trabisnikof posted:There are open news reporting of a CIA official praising an SA mod for doing the work that the CIA wants to do but can’t so..... what was this story? got any keywords i could look up?
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Marzzle posted:for those of you in contact with the otherworldly spirit realm, here's the thing: you saying all this crazy poo poo about stuff you believe because you smoked a bunch of DMT discredits actual things that happen in the material world. your mere association with information about epstien gets regular people to automatically disbelieve it without looking any further. everyone knows you won't shut the hell up about machine elves once you get going and smattering that poo poo with true facts about epstien is how disinformation works. by tying all these things together in a single person with a questionable grasp on reality, organizations like the pedo cabal can operate in secrecy because the only people that believe it exists talk about it in between anecdotes about that time they got really hosed up in a robotrip and m a d e c o n t a c t ok normie
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Did you guys just post 6 pages of junk without a single new excerpt about mcveigh Come on
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mastershakeman posted:Did you guys just post 6 pages of junk without a single new excerpt about mcveigh yeah it kinda seemed like the thread lost interest but I'll pick up after the bombing if y'all want
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mdemone posted:yeah it kinda seemed like the thread lost interest but I'll pick up after the bombing if y'all want Please do! I bought the book but haven't cracked it open yet, very intimidating tome
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Jetto Jagga posted:Please do! I bought the book but haven't cracked it open yet, very intimidating tome you should def jump in, it's very readable!
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mdemone posted:yeah it kinda seemed like the thread lost interest but I'll pick up after the bombing if y'all want No please it was a lot more informative and compelling than relitigating the existence of God. I enjoyed reading your instalments
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I’ve seen David McGowan’s book Programmed to Kill (which I plan to read at some point) mentioned ITT plenty of times; however, I have not seen his other one Understanding the F-Word: American Fascism and the Politics of Illusion mentioned at all. Is it any good? Insight on American Fascism is fascinating to me. I’m currently reading the Chris Hedges’ one called American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America, and as someone who grew up in a Fox News/Limbaugh household during the Bush II years before the current political climate, it is loving prescient so far. These megachurch bastards sincerely want a Handmaid’s Tale reality (and likely the child rape, too).
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Demon Semen posted:These megachurch bastards sincerely want a Handmaid’s Tale reality (and likely the child rape, too).
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Marzzle posted:absolutely happens but idk if SA is popular enough to warrant a full time nanny. maybe we already have one just because the site used to be popular and institutional inertia Years ago some goon with lots of clearance and very little sense posted an A/T thread to "[ask] me about the satellites the US government uses to detect nuclear explosions" and got reamed so hard by the air force he killed himself
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the pedophile cabal uses elaborate sets and special fx combined with mind altering drugs to drive their victims insane, many legitimate victims of the clintons for example believe crazy stuff because they were literally brainwashed and drugged and being taken through elaborate sets and facades to further confuse them, I'm sure for the rapists it's also a delightful way to enjoy the fear of their victims
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shame on an IGA posted:Years ago some goon with lots of clearance and very little sense posted an A/T thread to "[ask] me about the satellites the US government uses to detect nuclear explosions" and got reamed so hard by the air force he killed himself A lot of general information about the nuclear detection stuff is public knowledge, due to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty being a thing. But the current generation of satellite-borne nuclear test detection stuff is kept pretty secret as far as I can tell from Wikipedia. What all happened in that saga? Satellites and nuclear explosions reminds me of this creepy incident, which was a possible nuclear test detected by satellite that no country claimed responsibility for. Many people today think that it was probably a nuclear test conducted jointly by Israel and South Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
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Ace of Baes posted:the pedophile cabal uses elaborate sets and special fx combined with mind altering drugs to drive their victims insane, many legitimate victims of the clintons for example believe crazy stuff because they were literally brainwashed and drugged and being taken through elaborate sets and facades to further confuse them, I'm sure for the rapists it's also a delightful way to enjoy the fear of their victims ive always been curious why talking about alien abduction in this light is barely tolerated anywhere while elaborate intelligence kidnappings are serious mainstream chit chat. maybe it has something to do with media saturation and disinfo overload, but the entire public narrative around it has, as matter of record, been fostered and sculpted by military and intelligence for a variety of motives known and unknown. i guess its a slippery slope, suddenly every ELF gang stalker chemtrail channeler tinfoil mental illness victim is another potential program member. then you got your bored hick liars The Saucer Hovers has issued a correction as of 05:21 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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The Saucer Hovers posted:ive always been curious why talking about alien abduction in this light is barely tolerated anywhere while elaborate intelligence kidnappings are serious mainstream chit chat. maybe it has something to do with media saturation and disinfo overload, but the entire public narrative around it has, as matter of record, been fostered and sculpted by military and intelligence for a variety of motives known and unknown. Meh, i've been "abducted" several times by aliens, is just sleep paralysis. That poo poo can feel extremely real tho, i was also touched and "scratched" by several "phantom hands", i saw numerous entities at the foot of my bed, including a shapeshifting smoke demon that was siftin thru my window. I get these regulary so is nothing out of the ordinary for me, i simply go "oh its you guys again" and wake up. But again, it feels "real", i can't blame less experienced people for thinking they were visited by someone or taken somewhere else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UgJFZSRec See this video for example, most of the experiences starts in their beds.
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hseroK divaD posted:Meh, i've been "abducted" several times by aliens, is just sleep paralysis. Though I totally believe that sleep paralysis contributes to proportion of abductees and probably to a plethora of other unexplained human experience, there is also plenty of evidence that the breadth of the field, particularly in the 90s, was augmented by disinfo campaigns, the most famous being that of Paul Bennewitz. There's also Milton William Cooper, though it's more likely that he was in on the disinformation campaign/grift, particularly when near the end of the career he dropped the ufo elements from his beliefs and teachings to reveal it as just a white supremacy movement. That McVeigh book does a nice job of arguing that polygenics was co-opted by Blavatsky to come up with the idea of the 7 (?) alien races which in turn morphed into modern white power movement beliefs when those alien races were mapped by some onto human races. Since both UFO true believers groups and the white power movement are teeming with informants and fbi/atf agents (the former to control information about secret aircraft testing and the former for "national security"), it does look like there was some effort to meld the groups together, often also including the militia movement, all under the header of the government is lying to you prepare for when the disaster hits.
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Speaking of fascism and mcveigh books, anyone read American Terrorist?
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VideoTapir posted:Speaking of fascism and mcveigh books, anyone read Maerican Terrorist? its mentioned in the Painting book a lot, but I dunno much more than that. In my uneducated opinion, I just can't imagine anything better than the painting book, who not only includes new information up to the point of publication, but tries to highlight the theoretical basis for every belief about mcveigh (lone wolf, worked as a group, was a knowing agent, was coerced by other knowing agents, experimental subject)
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I have a vivid memory from when I was about 6 years old of flying through the night sky on my bed and becoming "aware" of it shortly into the flight and the "me" in the dream hurried back home, came through the top of the ceiling, I could see my self in bed below, and I was trying to wake up and move my limbs but couldn't, it hurt, and finally my spirit body landed and merged on top of me and I instantly bolted awake and could move again, and despite it being completely vivid even these years later. The weirdest bit is how accurate the ceiling down view was from the bed as i descended, because it was a weird situation where i was sleeping on the living room floor of my grandmother's house and my father was on the couch and I remember seeing all of that clearly. I don't think it was a supernatural experience in any way, but I could see how were I of a less materialist mind I may holler that it was and believe weird poo poo. smarxist has issued a correction as of 12:39 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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ElbowRooming posted:That tweet is from 2017. I was going to ignore but what the gently caress does this even mean?
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Zodium posted:i went looking up that head quote, and because this wasn't important to me ten years ago, i missed that james gibson developed his principles of ecological psychology based on work he did for the air force. Oh true! I hadn't thought about that since I myself was Epstein-pilled. I don't know if there's anything there but it reminds me of two more stories: This DARPA grant that the Neo-Gibsonians had about a decade ago. In fact I thought this poo poo was very interesting when I started graduate school (although I was a bit weirded out that it was a DARPA grant) and I probably would have worked on it but it was canceled about a month before I started my PhD. I guess they realized nothing practical was going to come from it (at least not any time soon) and they canceled it in favor of some neural networks poo poo that I'm sure turned out to be much more practical. Those of you discussing philosophy of mind on the last page should check this poo poo out. The article above sucks though and misses the point, the real poo poo is here if you have journal access, or this more foundational article (2010 reprint of a 1991 article). Here's the abstract: quote:An argument is developed to show that the origin and evolution of the perceptual guidance of movements and the movement enhancement of opportunities to perceive, that is, perception-action cycles, have a direct and deep connection with thermodynamic principles. The cornerstones of the argument are: (a) maximum entropy production as a physical selection principle (thermodynamic fields will behave in such a fashion as to get to the final state-minimize the field potential or maximize the entropy-at the fastest possible rate given the constraints); (b) the inexorability of order production (order production is inexorable because order produces entropy faster than disorder); (c) evolution as a global phenomenon (the Earth system at its highest level evolves as a single global entity); and (d) information in Gibson's law-based, specificational sense (invariant relations exist between higher order properties of structured energy distributions and their environmental sources). In the coordination of self-organizing dynamics with information in the specificational sense, access is provided to otherwise inaccessible opportunities to produce ordered flow and to dissipate, thereby, the geocosmic potential at faster rates. The progressive emergence of perception-action cycles in the evolution of the Earth as a global entity is the lawful product of opportunistic physics: There was no other way to produce the collective (ordered) states that would engender these higher levels of dissipation. Perception-action cycles express higher order symmetries of the world itself, in its own becoming. Perception-action is the physics at these higher levels. It's definitely worth mentioning that the author Rod Swenson is a total crackpot type, complete with a bunch of websites so lovely I always thought he was trying to come across as a crackpot on purpose. I was disappointed to see they were taken down (probably the people still working on this stuff were embarassed) but I found one on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20080202125334/http://www.entropylaw.com/ (Fake edit: found this PDF that he seems to have crackpot-ized: https://spacetimenow.tripod.com/SwenTurv1.pdf). He also was involved in the punk scene in the 70s (he founded the Plasmatics with Wendy Williams). Unfortunately I never met him during my studies. In the end I never directly worked on this stuff but I know all the people that do, and despite the veneer of insanity around it I think it's 100% correct and it has informed my scientific worldview since I first understood it. Basically, the "purpose" of life, as the purpose of self-organizing systems more generally, is to dissipate energy (generate entropy). Intelligent life developed in order to generate entropy even faster. it follows that underlying reason that human civilization exists is to use up all the energy it can find. ----- Second story. Some of these same researchers (not Rod Swenson though) were doing research in the 1970s on some cogntive aspects of language and particular reading. Serbo-croation was a useful test case because it has more or less the same language with two different writing systems, allowing for some clever experiments. Some of these ecological psychologists went to communist Yugoslavia for this research. Once or twice over beers I was told stories about smuggling in computers because the US government didn't allow it. I don't remember any more details at the moment but looking back I wonder if they weren't "allowed' to bring in those computers... SurgicalOntologist has issued a correction as of 17:57 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I was going to ignore but what the gently caress does this even mean? Imagine all the stupid bullshit the CIA has been getting into between when that tweet was written and now!
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Tubgoat posted:Imagine all the stupid bullshit the CIA has been getting into between when that tweet was written and now! it's like "Oh the places you'll go" but with authoritarian regimes, warlords and drug kingpins
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Basically, the "purpose" of life, as the purpose of self-organizing systems more generally, is to dissipate energy (generate entropy). Intelligent life developed in order to generate entropy even faster. it follows that underlying reason that human civilization exists is to use up all the energy it can find. I dont' think this is the right thread but I would love to read you explain more about this because lol if u think I grasped even a sentence from that article 
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