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pumpinglemma posted:AB+ definitely made The Lost fun rather than absurd bullshit, but I still found him the second hardest character to 100% after Keeper. At the end of the day, thanks to boss armour you have to either break the game completely with something like gnawed leaf or get through a very lengthy fight with Hush and/or Delirium without taking more than one hit, and that’s not easy for me. Algiz is also a pretty critical component in beating Lost and Keeper runs.
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 completely broken run, Keeper with ipecac and revelations. Instakilled everything, until the very last phase of the final boss, where the ipecac shots kept hitting spiky things that got too closeangled shots in general seems really lovely for the final boss, ipecac goes way too high and haemacloria flies offscreen if you aren't directly below the boss 
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Apr 6, 2021 19:30
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I'd take a mod that auto unlocks everything that requires completion of AB content.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:34
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scourgeofthe7bees posted:TBOI succeeds despite Edmund’s best efforts It's pretty loving telling that this, the best expansion Isaac has ever had, was mostly done by other people and involved actively shutting down Ed's bad ideas (for example, his original plans for most of the Tainted characters) Psychedelicatessen posted:I believe it triggers every minute, when the clock hits XX:00. Every time I checked the time after a random dark art, it was just past :00 Not 100% sure, but I THINK it's double-tapping a movement key?
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Apr 6, 2021 19:44
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What were his original plans? I haven't seen the interview.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:50
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Backpack, Converter and Guppy's Paw is a very very strong combination
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Apr 6, 2021 19:54
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Unlocked the challenge with no name. I have no idea what's going on here and I'm loving every second of it.
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No Wave posted:What were his original plans? I haven't seen the interview. Bad enough that all of them were considered unplayable hard/unfun by the antibirth team.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:It's pretty loving telling that this, the best expansion Isaac has ever had, was mostly done by other people and involved actively shutting down Ed's bad ideas (for example, his original plans for most of the Tainted characters) e: did anyone actually play antibirth rather than just praising it in the abstract? Because I've never seen anyone ever mention how much J+E suck poo poo before Repetence launched. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Apr 6, 2021 20:14
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I didn't touch antibirth because Afterbirth was bad enough to put me off of the game (and rebirth was too similar to vanilla isaac to hold my interest for all that long, having played the gently caress out of vanilla isaac). Regardless of specific item/character choices the feeling/flow of runs is imo vastly improved and I'm not sure who to credit with that.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:24
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I played Antibirth and it was really good tho rough in a few places. Jacob and Esau I never played much because my brain wasn't big enough to use them but Bethanny was awesome (and still is)
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Irony Be My Shield posted:e: did anyone actually play antibirth rather than just praising it in the abstract? Because I've never seen anyone ever mention how much J+E suck poo poo before Repetence launched. Nah, I couldn't figure out how to make it work. I think maybe they made mods a lot easier in a later update, but it used to require like editing a bunch of game files and poo poo?
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Augus posted:I played Antibirth and it was really good tho rough in a few places.  I miss getting brimstone nearly every run due to the interaction between sulfur and battery charges. Also, Antibirth was generally way, way easier due to being based on an earlier version of Isaac. Anyway, lots of characters are pretty hard to play compared to Isaac, don't know why so many people lose their poo poo over J&E. Just don't play them. If you want the unlocks download a save. No-one is forcing you to do content you don't want to do. Expansion packs for Isaac are always going to be extremely hard starting out. They're aimed at people who have been playing the game for 10 years and find the existing content trivial.
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One issue I'm having with repentance is that speed is such a binary pass/fail stat now with the increased shot speed/attack speed and new bosses and enemies. That's not to say that low/default speed is impossible but if you don't get a speed upgrade relatively early - doubly so when going the alt path - then you start bleeding damage from attacks that require incredibly tight movement or in some cases just outright being forced to take damage on certain rooms. It kind of reminds me of adaptability from dark souls 2 in that upgrading speed is less of an upgrade but more of a stat "tax" to get your character to a baseline where things feel more consistent.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I'm not sure about that. A lot of the patently awful ideas (J+E, destructable orbitals, Damocles) in this expansion were in Antibirth. I actually really like Jacob and Esau as a concept. The increased damage makes the early floors much less tedious, you get a steady flow of extra items if you’re taking the alt path or angel rooms, your bombs are twice as good, you can hold twice as many cards/pills and trinkets for the later floors, and if you’ve set them up right then finding a reroll is a won run. These are massive advantages. You just need to git gud at dealing with the hitbox and smoothly recombining them when they separate, which is difficult but I do seem to be improving as I play them. The only negative thing I’d say is that I wish they separated less when you just run into a wall, and there are a couple of very constrained rooms which are hell to navigate. e: Actually... you do know you can hold Ctrl to move just Jacob, right? That’s why them getting split up costs you a hit or two rather than the entire run. pumpinglemma fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Jacob and Esau can take an item each if you line them up next to each other. This works on the alt path, both More Options's, boss rush, hush item rooms, generally any situation with several items that normally despawn after you pick one. Also flight on one of them helps a lot with avoiding creep and spikes.
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I do know about the ctrl key. It's useful for getting more value out of bombs and double dipping on item rooms but it's extremely clumsy to use in combat, especially if Esau is the one who's being boxed in by something. J+E do get more damage at the start of the game, but it doesn't actually scale at all because they don't share items. The extra character mostly amounts to a flat damage bonus (except in the rare cases where you get two relevant damage upgrades on the alternate path at once), while always being a horrific hitbox liability that can lose you the game at any point. It's true that it's something you can improve at (I did beat Greedier Mode with them today), but it's just painfully unfun compared to every other character who has a reasonable hitbox and sensible controls. Old Keeper was difficult but he just demanded strong core BoI skills, rather than requiring you to wrestle with awful mechanics.
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Antibirth was great. J&E were and are challenging in an interesting way. Bethany was always great. The powerful new items helped take the edge off of the more difficult parts.
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If you're losing the game from getting separated once, then you're doing something horribly wrong. Getting separated should be causing you to take one or two hits while you deal with any immediate threat and get them re-situated, no more than that.
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Apr 6, 2021 21:55
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lmfao Binge Eater is an absolutely incredible item
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pumpinglemma posted:If you're losing the game from getting separated once, then you're doing something horribly wrong. Getting separated should be causing you to take one or two hits while you deal with any immediate threat and get them re-situated, no more than that.
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 So much for "the game will be harder to break". Tech X + Marked is hilarious, and it just kept snowballing from there.
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beginning to think that people complaining about no longer being able to break the game were just overreacting a bit
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I happened to have 99 coins, which I assume the R Key item always costs when it shows up. restart the whole run, but with the items I already have! which was only not as good as it could have been because I was Tainted Isaac, who can only hold eight passives.
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flatluigi posted:beginning to think that people complaining about no longer being able to break the game were just overreacting a bit And you can perfectly play the game without a game breaking combination (save for certain characters and challenges). I just did a Mega Satan run with Magdalene where I relied exclusively on Epic Fetus. Which yeah it's an amazing item but the constant dodging my own attacks, lack of stat ups and some terrible choices (Technology 0.5+My Mirror) made the run a drag, and I probably only survived thanks to pretty flies to defend myself with. And then died to my own bomb in the Void.
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pumpinglemma posted:So how thick were your blindfold and earplugs when AB+ launched, then? (And AB. And Rebirth itself...) They actually did a lot to make Bethany more fun (Book of Virtues being able to hold an item is a great change), I just wish they would have put the same effort into J&E. I mean, I think literally all it would take is being able to toggle between having them glued together and moving separately. It would still be challenging like alt-Lazarus because your items are split between two characters, it just would give people the option to not control two characters in two separate locations with the same inputs if they, like me, just can't wrap their brain around that poo poo.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:They actually did a lot to make Bethany more fun (Book of Virtues being able to hold an item is a great change), I just wish they would have put the same effort into J&E. I mean, I think literally all it would take is being able to toggle between having them glued together and moving separately. It would still be challenging like alt-Lazarus because your items are split between two characters, it just would give people the option to not control two characters in two separate locations with the same inputs if they, like me, just can't wrap their brain around that poo poo.
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No Wave posted:What are you seeing as the alternative? You can make esau stop but that's suicide more often than not. My fix would be to have the two literally linked together, Esau following directly behind Jacob. This means their hitbox is twice as long, but makes them much easier to control. Then, if you want to, you can press Ctrl to manually separate them, or hold it to just have Esau freeze. I really think that would fix most people's issues with the characters getting separated mid-combat and taking huge amounts of damage, which at least is the cause of most of my death spirals with them.
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I don't really put any stock in anonymous posts of "Everything bad was Ed and everything good was me/us" because if you're putting out anonymous posts of course you'd say that.
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swear they never give me a d6 room unless i would never touch it that book-void has belial and reusable soul protection and something else in there. red key. when a reusable soul protection wisp dies it becomes a four horseman buddy
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:My fix would be to have the two literally linked together, Esau following directly behind Jacob. This means their hitbox is twice as long, but makes them much easier to control. Then, if you want to, you can press Ctrl to manually separate them, or hold it to just have Esau freeze. I really think that would fix most people's issues with the characters getting separated mid-combat and taking huge amounts of damage, which at least is the cause of most of my death spirals with them.
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Tried Bloody Mary challenge and had a strong run with Brimstone+high damage+Little Chad--seemed like everything was lining up. Except I got to Depths I and guess what? Curse of Darkness. Second room was completely dark and got whacked by a jumping pajamaman. gently caress. THIS. CURSE. Especially on depths the worst place to get it. BULLSHIT!! However, very next attempt I got Old Bandage and then every floor the thing stabbed me I got a red heart or two. Ended up winning with a flawless victory on Satan. Got my revenge!! I love Jacob and Esau personally even if they drive me nuts sometimes. Nowhere NEAR as bad as stuff like the bad version of lost or old keeper.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:00
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's crazy that "Isaac's Heart without the upside" would be an improvement, but yeah that could be better.
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Apr 7, 2021 02:33
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i havent played this game in forever and i totally suck at it i want to get back to being good at my favourite characters, apollyon and the little skeleton man
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Apr 7, 2021 02:35
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Wow, they buffed Scissors to actually be really good.
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Apr 7, 2021 03:57
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Today's shockingly good combo - tech 2, mom's eye, perfection trinket. I was shooting so many lasers out my rear end anything that wasn't The Beast or the 4 Ultra horsemen melted instantly. I still killed all those bosses of course. As the Lost.
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I keep getting sick early game combos that promise to be unstoppable later, but then dying. I'm having fun but I'm ragequitting twice as much as usual haha
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One thing I wish hadn't been changed is the mimic sprites. They're so hard for me to see now that they might as well be unavoidable damage.
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