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Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

For context, the place I used to work one of the two CEO's (yes, we had two CEO's) punched a client at a work gathering. That's the kind of place we're talking about here.

The client probably deserved this in some way

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EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

I actually have something of praise to say about my disfunctional teams/the Agile process. We knew we were going to miss our release date last week about 2 weeks ago, and then as we got closer to the new release date released we would need an additional week. The team spent a few days scrabbling around to try and shuffle resource around so we could deliver everything, as well as two new features that were supposed to go into the new sprint, when our manager(/Release Train Engineer but that's a loving stupid title and I refuse to use it) came in and said no. We failed the sprint. It stops when it was supposed to stop. We won't release anything and pick it up in the next one. This is something I've been pushing for but the business people really want to see release go brr.

This has meant we've not really taken anything new into this sprint, so there's no additional pressures, and one of the new features has been descoped entirely. I have time now! Time to do review and improvements and think about stuff! It's loving glorious.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



EvilHawk posted:

I actually have something of praise to say about my disfunctional teams/the Agile process. We knew we were going to miss our release date last week about 2 weeks ago, and then as we got closer to the new release date released we would need an additional week. The team spent a few days scrabbling around to try and shuffle resource around so we could deliver everything, as well as two new features that were supposed to go into the new sprint, when our manager(/Release Train Engineer but that's a loving stupid title and I refuse to use it) came in and said no. We failed the sprint. It stops when it was supposed to stop. We won't release anything and pick it up in the next one. This is something I've been pushing for but the business people really want to see release go brr.

This has meant we've not really taken anything new into this sprint, so there's no additional pressures, and one of the new features has been descoped entirely. I have time now! Time to do review and improvements and think about stuff! It's loving glorious.

I miss working in a SAFE shop.

Xenthalon
Jun 28, 2010
At our company we all have super sweet, tricked out, top of the line HP Elitebooks. i7s, 16GB RAM, 120hz displays, BANG&OLUFSEN Sound Systems, the best hardware HP sells, all the way up there when you sort-by-price descending. Every employee has them to work from home really well.

What do we do with those you ask? Are we all gamers, top tier developers, big data analyists? No. We use them to log in to the company VPN, then connect to our virtual machines where we do our actual work.

The notebooks are locked down super hard, so you can only really use them for powerpoints and browsing the intranet. All that good hardware wasted on the middle managers.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
Work meeting put up a sheet to measure your mental health.

Rate out of 1-10 things such like:

Have completed 180 minutes of exercise
Had enough sleep
Had time to connect with friends
Had time to connect with family


I'm sure morale went up. I know mine went in one direction very fast.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Xenthalon posted:

At our company we all have super sweet, tricked out, top of the line HP Elitebooks. i7s, 16GB RAM, 120hz displays, BANG&OLUFSEN Sound Systems, the best hardware HP sells, all the way up there when you sort-by-price descending. Every employee has them to work from home really well.

What do we do with those you ask? Are we all gamers, top tier developers, big data analyists? No. We use them to log in to the company VPN, then connect to our virtual machines where we do our actual work.

The notebooks are locked down super hard, so you can only really use them for powerpoints and browsing the intranet. All that good hardware wasted on the middle managers.

My company gives us the same laptops, but everything (everything.) is done through shared network drives that are slower than dialup so the hardware is wasted anyway.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

AHH F/UGH posted:

Can you explain this in excruciating detail? I really don’t understand what the whole thing is like and how it works and what he says and whatnot, and I’m extremely curious

There isn't much to add. The boss has decided that one particular song from Hamilton is our anthem this year and it gets played at the start and end every big meeting.

The expectation is that people will have their cameras on and dance or sing along or just "party" to the music as a form of team building.

I just put a fake smile on my face, turn the volume down, and try to zone out.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
I got a 16GB surface to remote work on, but most of the key software is hard limited to 800MB of RAM and IT refuse to even look at it.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

quote:

I have been working at Aurea Software full-time for more than 3 years

Pros

Ability to work from home

Cons

- monitored via video snapshot every 10 minutes

-monitored via desktop screenshots every 1 minute

- every keystroke and mouse click logged

<snipped about 1000 more cons>


Glassdoor review I found presented without comment :stonkhat:

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ha Ha Ha... YES!

Xenthalon posted:

At our company we all have super sweet, tricked out, top of the line HP Elitebooks. i7s, 16GB RAM, 120hz displays, BANG&OLUFSEN Sound Systems, the best hardware HP sells, all the way up there when you sort-by-price descending. Every employee has them to work from home really well.

What do we do with those you ask? Are we all gamers, top tier developers, big data analyists? No. We use them to log in to the company VPN, then connect to our virtual machines where we do our actual work.

The notebooks are locked down super hard, so you can only really use them for powerpoints and browsing the intranet. All that good hardware wasted on the middle managers.

the discount my employer gets on some pre negotiated dell machines is incredibly high. it's often cheaper for me to get a "standard model" that's got aggressive pricing on it than manually configure a lesser model. especially at the end of a quarter in bulk.

the i7 may also get better integrated graphics which actually does matter these days for loving zoom :negative:

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
big companies tend to spend money in a really insane fashion on everything except actually paying their employees better for the work they do daily.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



thathonkey posted:

big companies tend to spend money in a really insane fashion on everything except actually paying their employees better for the work they do daily.

This is real eye opening when you see it happen for the first time. I got really depressed when i realized i was just a number to them

vyst fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 7, 2021

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
theres nothing more eye opening than how much employee travel costs. sending people to dumb conferences so they can socialize and network will easily cost 10k$/head to the company. makes all the fancy macbooks and aeron chairs look like a drop in the bucket.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Jeza posted:

Glassdoor review I found presented without comment :stonkhat:

Imagine being the person who has to sift through thousands of images & videos of desktops & employees homes daily lol

or do they get a neural net AI to go through it and ding you if it thinks you turned into a firetruck for a tenth of a second?

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

Fried Watermelon posted:

Imagine being the person who has to sift through thousands of images & videos of desktops & employees homes daily lol

or do they get a neural net AI to go through it and ding you if it thinks you turned into a firetruck for a tenth of a second?

My bet is they have basic photo recognition software to detect anomalous levels of absence from being at the computer and flag it.

Keystroke info is used to detect work intensity compared to in-house averages for comparable roles and flag under-performers.

Desktop screenshots probably checked manually for evidence of shirking, possibly also trained to recognise certain key timewaster sites like Facebook/Amazon.

Hellworld lol

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER


vyst posted:

This is real eye opening when you see it happen for the first time. I got really depressed when i realized i was just a number to them

:yossame:

Become a consultant, make number go up in your favor

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

Jeza posted:

My bet is they have basic photo recognition software to detect anomalous levels of absence from being at the computer and flag it.

Keystroke info is used to detect work intensity compared to in-house averages for comparable roles and flag under-performers.

Desktop screenshots probably checked manually for evidence of shirking, possibly also trained to recognise certain key timewaster sites like Facebook/Amazon.

Hellworld lol

it could just be a deterrent and its all dumped not even reviewed by a machine. costs the company basically nothing that way. that other stuff sounds really expensive to do. not to mention moving, processing, and archiving all that data unless its a very small company with few employees. however we have just established companies love to burn money especially on something that would claim to squeeze productivity out of your workers

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
We can't afford computers so we have to use our own. My GIS and data science specialist is trying to install a windows partition on an ancient Mac book to run QGIS and access. This is suboptimal.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

thathonkey posted:

theres nothing more eye opening than how much employee travel costs. sending people to dumb conferences so they can socialize and network will easily cost 10k$/head to the company. makes all the fancy macbooks and aeron chairs look like a drop in the bucket.

The office normally would send people to trade shows for technical training. That budget pot should be pretty stacked once we start being allowed to go places again. Might have to put in some requests.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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goatface posted:

The office normally would send people to trade shows for technical training. That budget pot should be pretty stacked once we start being allowed to go places again. Might have to put in some requests.

'Due to covid related cutbacks...'

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

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Plan IT Poker

AHH F/UGH
May 25, 2002

Zero One posted:

There isn't much to add. The boss has decided that one particular song from Hamilton is our anthem this year and it gets played at the start and end every big meeting.

The expectation is that people will have their cameras on and dance or sing along or just "party" to the music as a form of team building.

I just put a fake smile on my face, turn the volume down, and try to zone out.

I’m sorry to pry more but I want to know about others in the meeting. Are there people singing, lip syncing, doing jazz hands, dancing back from their PC? Like, are there people who actually “try”?

Who are the other people in this meeting? I know for me, everyone would have sat there stone faced and probably someone would have said “can we please not do this anymore?” after the second time or something, maybe asked their boss to ask them to stop, etc. Do you work with like, tea drinking cat ladies or something? Or a lot of middle aged women who are into Zumba or something? I find it hard to imagine she would pull this without some kind of very specific makeup of your group on the call.

I’m sorry for the assload of questions but I’m struggling to understand how this situation came to be and how it continues. It sounds like a MLM cult meeting intro where they play Gloria Estefan’s “Get On Your Feet” to get the crowd fired up

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

thathonkey posted:

big companies tend to spend money in a really insane fashion on everything except actually paying their employees better for the work they do daily.

That and "things that would actually make their jobs better or easier to do". Ask my still-broken chair and the absolute fight that was getting a replacement keyboard (that I ended up having to buy and get comped anyway, missing a component I'm gonna have to put my own money down at stupid inflated prices, just to make nerve pain less bad) how I know.

Or, yknow, paying the "15 minutes of an IT team member's time" that it should take to correct one variable that's already been identified, that we already know what to correct, has already cost thousands of dollars, and that all of us who actually use the tool are allowed nowhere near any methods to fix. That would be good spending of money.

Can't have that.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

For context, the place I used to work one of the two CEO's (yes, we had two CEO's) punched a client at a work gathering. That's the kind of place we're talking about here.

You cannot just leave this here and not post the story.

Jeza posted:

My bet is they have basic photo recognition software to detect anomalous levels of absence from being at the computer and flag it.

Keystroke info is used to detect work intensity compared to in-house averages for comparable roles and flag under-performers.

Desktop screenshots probably checked manually for evidence of shirking, possibly also trained to recognise certain key timewaster sites like Facebook/Amazon.

Hellworld lol

:10bux: says that it's just for middle managers to jerk themselves off to at the thought of all of the peasants who work in their realm. The images are just clicked on at random. At most there's a "dashboard" page that gets left up on a dedicated monitor as they finish themselves.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
lol at 2 CEOs and lol even more at one of them getting into a fistfight with a client. are they hiring ???

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

For context, the place I used to work one of the two CEO's (yes, we had two CEO's) punched a client at a work gathering. That's the kind of place we're talking about here.

Were these two the CEOs?

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

Outrail posted:

'Due to covid related cutbacks...'

After 9/11 a middle manager I know was told something like "We've evaluated our terrorism risk and designated you as a key strategic employee for the future of or company and American enterprise as a whole. Therefore we cannot risk sending you on business trips via aircraft for the foreseeable future. "

He said profits took a nosedive and they were just cutting travel expenses but he appreciated the attempt to pump up his ego.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Pekinduck posted:

After 9/11 a middle manager I know was told something like "We've evaluated our terrorism risk and designated you as a key strategic employee for the future of or company and American enterprise as a whole. Therefore we cannot risk sending you on business trips via aircraft for the foreseeable future. "

He said profits took a nosedive and they were just cutting travel expenses but he appreciated the attempt to pump up his ego.

Sending Jeff on every possible training trip in the hopes of an organic employment resolution to avoid manual termination.

cynic
Jan 19, 2004



New job trip report: it's awesome and they keep trying to give me more money and shares and poo poo.

Dumb poo poo from a previous job: I once negotiated for a pay rise. I was getting under market value and asked for about 12% I think, plus offered to take on some more responsibility. Their counteroffer was; you can have 6% but noone else in your department will get a pay rise this year. Started interviewing that evening and had a job offer in about 5 days. Think I ended up getting about 20% more in the new post, and poached 2 of their best staff too.

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020

cynic posted:

New job trip report: it's awesome and they keep trying to give me more money and shares and poo poo.

Dumb poo poo from a previous job: I once negotiated for a pay rise. I was getting under market value and asked for about 12% I think, plus offered to take on some more responsibility. Their counteroffer was; you can have 6% but noone else in your department will get a pay rise this year. Started interviewing that evening and had a job offer in about 5 days. Think I ended up getting about 20% more in the new post, and poached 2 of their best staff too.

this is the way

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
hell yes

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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cynic posted:

Think I ended up getting about 20% more in the new post, and poached 2 of their best staff too.

Noice. Why burn bridges when you can roll them and and take them with you?

Xaintrailles
Aug 14, 2015

:hellyeah::histdowns:

cynic posted:

Dumb poo poo from a previous job: I once negotiated for a pay rise. I was getting under market value and asked for about 12% I think, plus offered to take on some more responsibility. Their counteroffer was; you can have 6% but noone else in your department will get a pay rise this year.
I would have countered back with 20% and give them a pay cut.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

Comstar posted:

Work meeting put up a sheet to measure your mental health.

Rate out of 1-10 things such like:

Have completed 180 minutes of exercise
Had enough sleep
Had time to connect with friends
Had time to connect with family

The surveys will continue until morale improves

Outrail posted:

Noice. Why burn bridges when you can roll them and and take them with you?

Unfortunately most people are straight up not valued by employers enough to do anything like this. Personally my skills are varied but pretty niche and I have no confidence whatsoever in being able to find another decently paying job quickly

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ha Ha Ha... YES!

cynic posted:

New job trip report: it's awesome and they keep trying to give me more money and shares and poo poo.

Dumb poo poo from a previous job: I once negotiated for a pay rise. I was getting under market value and asked for about 12% I think, plus offered to take on some more responsibility. Their counteroffer was; you can have 6% but noone else in your department will get a pay rise this year. Started interviewing that evening and had a job offer in about 5 days. Think I ended up getting about 20% more in the new post, and poached 2 of their best staff too.


I just asked for 10%, getting WAY under market rate. My requested raise was less than they saved by me not going to conferences in 2020/2021.

They did not even dignify my request (showed math etc) with a real response. I quit for an 82% raise. Market's good right now. :)

Queen Victorian
Feb 21, 2018

Zero One posted:

There isn't much to add. The boss has decided that one particular song from Hamilton is our anthem this year and it gets played at the start and end every big meeting.

The expectation is that people will have their cameras on and dance or sing along or just "party" to the music as a form of team building.

I just put a fake smile on my face, turn the volume down, and try to zone out.

AHH F/UGH posted:

I’m sorry to pry more but I want to know about others in the meeting. Are there people singing, lip syncing, doing jazz hands, dancing back from their PC? Like, are there people who actually “try”?

Who are the other people in this meeting? I know for me, everyone would have sat there stone faced and probably someone would have said “can we please not do this anymore?” after the second time or something, maybe asked their boss to ask them to stop, etc. Do you work with like, tea drinking cat ladies or something? Or a lot of middle aged women who are into Zumba or something? I find it hard to imagine she would pull this without some kind of very specific makeup of your group on the call.

I don’t get it either and would also like to know more about how this sort of activity persists without a critical mass of participants finding it too cringe-inducing and wanting it to stop. Or is everyone just game theorying optimum amounts of fake pep and pretending they’re into it to get on the higher ups’ good side, thus making it appear that a sufficient portion of employees are into it when in fact everyone secretly hates it? I’ve been a stone-faced curmudgeon about this sort of poo poo literally since preschool so the idea of roping adults into preschool-esque team-building participatory “fun” poo poo and expecting them to enjoy it is utterly mind-boggling to me, not to mention it’s patronizing and borderline degrading.

Luckily my company has figured out how to successfully do team-building over Zoom. Our winning formula is: drink alcohol and shoot the poo poo.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Queen Victorian posted:

I don’t get it either and would also like to know more about how this sort of activity persists without a critical mass of participants finding it too cringe-inducing and wanting it to stop. Or is everyone just game theorying optimum amounts of fake pep and pretending they’re into it to get on the higher ups’ good side, thus making it appear that a sufficient portion of employees are into it when in fact everyone secretly hates it? I’ve been a stone-faced curmudgeon about this sort of poo poo literally since preschool so the idea of roping adults into preschool-esque team-building participatory “fun” poo poo and expecting them to enjoy it is utterly mind-boggling to me, not to mention it’s patronizing and borderline degrading.

Luckily my company has figured out how to successfully do team-building over Zoom. Our winning formula is: drink alcohol and shoot the poo poo.

Ugh our meetings are no fun but they haven't escalated to mandatory dancing. We did have one a while ago pre-pandemic where they handed out colored pencils for arts and crafts. I wouldn't mind if some depts wandered off to color and take naps but when they try to make it required I'd prefer an option of "thank you but I'm not interested," without risking the wrath of an airhead manager thinking you're challenging their authority that might mean no more health insurance.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




My boss, my co-worker and I have a happy hour on Teams every Friday with booze and Jackbox.

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
anyone who puts arts and crafts in front of me is dead

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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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20 Blunts posted:

anyone who puts arts and crafts in front of me is dead

I banned glitter the first time it was mentioned during our kids camp strategy meeting. No complaints from anyone so I didn't get to use my environmental damage argument.

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

My boss, my co-worker and I have a happy hour on Teams every Friday with booze and Jackbox.

This is a great idea

Outrail fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 7, 2021

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