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Computer viking posted:Oh that's neat - from back when MS added weird and unexpected things to win server. (Not that WSL wouldn't sound absolutely crazy even to people who were aware of Interix). For maximum madness you could use one of the weird architectures - I think the betas of 2000 desktop ran on Alpha, though I don't know about Server. I think PowerPC was only supported up to NT4, though, and I don't think the ppc macs had the right platform design to run Windows? Could be that NT4 also supports it, but not sure I want to spend the CPU time on emulating another architecture just for the weirdness factor, though if I had real hardware I'd probably do it! The Hyper-V instance is laughably compact, 1 CPU and 128 MB of RAM is basically irrelevant compared to the other VMs on there so I can just leave it running. Trying to get my modern printer to work, Samsung's drivers don't seem entirely comfortable on W2k, but if I do get it working it should be able to share the printer to the Mac as well. A less fun option would be installing a PDF print-server and sharing that, but I doubt it would be significantly faster than using the Acrobat 3.0 PDF printer I have built in.
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https://www.marmanold.com/retro/linux-fileshare-for-classic-macintoshes/ has a good explanation on how to set it up on debian Jessie I have it running in a debian vm on ESXi and it's been great, all my macs are able to connect to it and it has been very stable. I like the way netatalk handles the resource forks too, it makes it possible to archive stuff on the linux side without breaking any files.
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At this point I feel like using Windows 2000 to help my Mac get online is a tradition, after using my P2 as a media converter for over a month.Buttcoin purse posted:I think plain "Server" - not the "Advanced" version - would work too. As I understand it, Advanced just adds scalability stuff like clustering, more CPUs, more RAM, but you (and I!) just want a small VM.  -- Resource forks are a good point - they're presumably stored as NTFS alternate data streams here. I can see several files like e.g. extensions read as 0 bytes on the Windows side. I did copy several files from one NTFS disk to another when I moved the shared folder, and they all survived that so it's not super fragile. IIRC the guide mentioned there are some tools available to manage the resource forks which could be fun to have a look at. Fake e: NirSoft has a tool to view them:https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/alternate_data_streams.html And yup, tons of them in the AppleShare folder:  Seems every file gets a AfpInfo fork, then some have Resource forks as well, and a few files had comments and zone identifier steams. Not too worried about backups, most of the stuff on the share is transitory or just convenience copies (like unpacked installers or programs, the .sits are still archived).
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One of you US based users have to have one of these and I am jelly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FgKWSirUuQ
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There's a coco available locally and I had to pause for a second before I realized I didn't want and would never use it, and yet I still feel myself salivating over all the sweet junk Cliff digs up. I wouldn't mind a PET as an art piece, but not for $1000...
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I bought a PET from a guy locally. He was asking for £900, but on a whim I offered him £200 and he bit my hand off. It turned out to work perfectly, and when I collected it the guy also gave me a a 3040 dual floppy which I was able to re-sell for £160 even though it was broken. So I basically got a slightly grubby, but fully working 32K PET 2001 for £40. I have literally no idea what I'd ever do with it and it will almost certainly gather dust in the corner for six months before going back on ebay.
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You can also list NTFS alternate streams with dir /R , and there is some support for reading and writing them with "file.abc:stream name".
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Computer viking posted:You can also list NTFS alternate streams with dir /R , and there is some support for reading and writing them with "file.abc:stream name". Talking about NTFS alternate streams always reminds me of: some website posted:Since the :$DATA alternate stream exists for every file it can be an alternate way to access any file. Reference Example 2 for information on accessing the :$DATA alternate data stream in a text file. Any application that creates files or looks at or depends on the end of the file name (or the extension) should be aware of the possibility of these alternate data streams. If unsanitized user input is used to create or reference a file name an attacker could use the :$DATA stream to change the behavior of the software. A well-known vulnerability of this nature existed in older versions of IIS. When IIS saw a request for a file with an ASP extension it sent the ASP file to the application associated with the extension. This application would run the server-side code in the ASP file and generate the HTML response for the request. Due to a flaw in the extension parsing of these versions of IIS, filename.asp::$DATA did not match the extension and since there was no application registered for the asp::$DATA extension, the asp source code was returned to the attacker. And that was good/bad (depending on if you're an attacker) because the ASP source probably has some hints about how to hack the website, might have database passwords in it, etc. longview posted:Not too worried about backups, most of the stuff on the share is transitory or just convenience copies (like unpacked installers or programs, the .sits are still archived). Same, although out of curiosity I just looked it up and apparently 7-Zip has some support for them.
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Buttcoin purse posted:
if this were done against my old company this would've given you the sa password to our sql server lmao
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longview posted:Mac update:
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Code Jockey posted:if this were done against my old company this would've given you the sa password to our sql server lmao I found a broken Powershell robocopy script with the domain admin password in plain text right there while fixing some backup problems for a client the other day. Their IT contact was real mad when I told him it was a major security risk.
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SubG posted:ATM Wow, there's something I haven't thought about in a long time. I still have some ATM LANE PCI cards that are supported by Windows NT 4, but no switches to connect them to, only routers, so I never got to experience that particularly failed and obsolete technology fully!
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Speaking of plain text, we took over maintenance for some customers that used to use a vendor that resold our products. They all use an ASP.NET web service the reseller wrote for some important processes. Except, the web site is not pre-compiled. The source code is just right there under wwwroot. The only thing in the web.config files are ODBC source names. The credentials for the various systems (sys admin access) are there plain text in the source. Oh, and the code is really bad. These same guys also modified scripts we provided them for their implementations 15 years ago and replaced my name with their own. I'm sure they're still using our IP in some of their implementations to this day.
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Should all go well tomorrow, I should have another tech relic to post here. A tray-loading, tangerine iMac.
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The UI on the iMacs looks more dated than the Mac itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWSS1HB-1Po
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That was always hilarious to me. The iMacs were designed with the translucency and pinstriping that would eventually appear as "Aqua" in Mac OS X's inaugural version, but for like three years the hardware just sat there looking like something from the future while on the screen you had the same old platinum-gray Classic Mac OS. Then OS X finally dropped and the iMac could barely run it.
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I don't know what it is, but I just hate Apple ads, they're all so drat aloof and (borderline) condescending.
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I did have a slot-loading iMac that ran OS X reasonably well. I found it out on the street for rubbish collection one day, took it to the office and learned Mac OS with it. Then it got knocked off a shelf during an office move. It still powers up but now the CRT is badly out of alignment and the hard drive is totally dead. It's probably repairable but I just don't have the time or energy. Since none of the damage is visible externally, it's now in this little tech museum my current employer is setting up in the foyer of their office building. KozmoNaut posted:I don't know what it is, but I just hate Apple ads, they're all so drat aloof and (borderline) condescending. Yeah I never really liked Apple ads either, despite generally liking most of their products. Bargearse has a new favorite as of 15:21 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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If those "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads were honest, they'd have a burned out old hippie in there as "I'm an Amiga"
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r u ready to WALK posted:or a fursuiter Deep cut lol
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Nah, should be a new wave singer.
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Pale, skinny Finnish demo scene guy in black with a ponytail.
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Computer viking posted:Pale, skinny Finnish demo scene guy in black with a ponytail. "I'm a Commodore 64"
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r u ready to WALK posted:"I'm a Commodore 64" His name’s SID.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Wow, there's something I haven't thought about in a long time. I still have some ATM LANE PCI cards that are supported by Windows NT 4, but no switches to connect them to, only routers, so I never got to experience that particularly failed and obsolete technology fully!
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r u ready to WALK posted:"I'm a Commodore 64"
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LOL this is great
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I’m fairly certain the mba’s don’t have built in Ethernet but I’m too lazy to dig mine out
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I’m fairly certain the mba’s don’t have built in Ethernet but I’m too lazy to dig mine out 
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Lol I missed all of those completely. Please let this post stand as record of my thorough ownage
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r u ready to WALK posted:"I'm a Commodore 64" represented by a graybeard uncle with a shopping bag full of pirate floppies
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Bargearse posted:Should all go well tomorrow, I should have another tech relic to post here. Interesting, I didn't know that Tangerine was a tray loading colour, only a slot. If you need some iMac software give me a heads up as I have the original install CDs for that era of iMac (OS 9 only). You should stick your head into one of the Amiga meets soon
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You Am I posted:Interesting, I didn't know that Tangerine was a tray loading colour, only a slot. I have been living here lately. https://macintoshgarden.org/ I picked up 8 G4 Quicksilvers and a few MMDs a few weeks ago for free. I had a bunch of my Mac software/installs from 2004-5ish, but the Macintosh Garden really helped. Toss them a few bux too.
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Slack3r posted:I have been living here lately. https://macintoshgarden.org/ I picked up 8 G4 Quicksilvers and a few MMDs a few weeks ago for free. I had a bunch of my Mac software/installs from 2004-5ish, but the Macintosh Garden really helped. Toss them a few bux too. I have been using this repository for Classic stuff, it's been good and I have tipped some money towards them as their downloads are fast and stable: https://www.macintoshrepository.org/
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Despite the name, WinWorld has Mac and DOS stuff. Not the largest selection, but what's there tends to be clean disk images instead of random old rips.
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WinWorld made me remember a site I bookmarked a few years back. Daniel's Screenshot Gallery. It's filled with screenshots of various programs across various operating systems. It brought back a lot of memories. PaintShow came with our mouse and was the first art program I used (outside of those at a computer store).  In seventh grade, I wowed the teacher at our rural Ohio school by turning in a paper typed on a computer! All thanks to Publish-it Lite. 
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Drastic Actions posted:I worked on something today that might be of interest to this thread. I wrote a little Web Server that proxies SA and rewrites its HTML into something less complex so older browsers can render it (and also proxies files and has SSL off Is there a new link or mirror to the proxy? It seems to have disappeared. I might need it for... ...reasons...  ...Not that something bad can happen from breaking the seal...  ...The Pig and Lobster can't hurt us now...  ...Did the banning happen or was it just a dream?... 
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). Basically, it lets you access modern SA from old hardware.