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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

mostlygray posted:

It really depends on the company. Some places are use it or lose it and you're forced to take PTO just before the new year. That's why you can't get any work done for the last 2 weeks of December. No one answers their phone. Other's still do payoff which is nice.

I remember when our neighbor retired he got a check for 6 months PTO because he'd hardly taken more that a week or two here and there. Of course, he was a higher up so that can make a difference.

My wife takes all her PTO every year. Might as well. They're super easy going about it. She doesn't have to give notice. IF she doesn't want to go to work, she texts her boss and there's never an argument. She does have to give notice to take a week or more, but for a day here and there, no questions. She doesn't like driving in snow so she takes most of her days off in the winter and then trips in the summer.

I've worked a few places where there's a limit on how many hours you can carry over into the next year, usually around 40 hours, so there's a use it or lose it on that one.

I usually have a few hours that get carried over into the next year, as I usually also just take half a day off here or there when there's a light day of work, but in 2020 I really didn't take any time off, so I'm sitting on quite a few hours of PTO right now.

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Iron Crowned posted:

I've worked a few places where there's a limit on how many hours you can carry over into the next year, usually around 40 hours, so there's a use it or lose it on that one.

I usually have a few hours that get carried over into the next year, as I usually also just take half a day off here or there when there's a light day of work, but in 2020 I really didn't take any time off, so I'm sitting on quite a few hours of PTO right now.

Geez, I have 136 hours Holiday owed and 250+ of sick/personal leave. That's considering I took maybe 4 weeks off last year. I gotta get drunk with farm vehicles again to use up some of that sick leave!

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Humphreys posted:

Geez, I have 136 hours Holiday owed and 250+ of sick/personal leave. That's considering I took maybe 4 weeks off last year. I gotta get drunk with farm vehicles again to use up some of that sick leave!

There really are no unified laws on PTO in the us, it's a "benefit," meaning your employer is gracious enough to allow you some time away from work, and pay you as if you were still at work.

Most places I have worked "give" you 80 hours per year when you start. Some places will give it to you immediately after your first 90 days are completed. Some places make you accrue it at 3.08 hours per paycheck. There are some places that only give you 40 right away, and then give you the other 40 at the end of your first year. Then there are places that don't give you any PTO until you've hit the one year mark.

If you want more PTO, they usually make you work there for 7 to 10 years before they give you 120 per year. You gotta also keep in mind that again, sick time and PTO are the same thing in a lot of places, so if you're sick, that gets taken out of your PTO. See also doctor/dentist/etc. apointments.

The holidays they give you off, including federal ones are also technically a "benefit," I know I interviewed at a place that flat out told me that while they were closed on certain federal holidays, they didn't pay you for it, so you had to use PTO (or show up), if you wanted to get paid for those days. I declined their offer.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Iron Crowned posted:

I've worked a few places where there's a limit on how many hours you can carry over into the next year, usually around 40 hours, so there's a use it or lose it on that one.

I usually have a few hours that get carried over into the next year, as I usually also just take half a day off here or there when there's a light day of work, but in 2020 I really didn't take any time off, so I'm sitting on quite a few hours of PTO right now.

Jeez lol. In the military you can accrue up to 60 days at a time of leave and you get 30 days per year.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVVkSlXl41Q

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Iron Crowned posted:

I've worked a few places where there's a limit on how many hours you can carry over into the next year, usually around 40 hours, so there's a use it or lose it on that one.

I usually have a few hours that get carried over into the next year, as I usually also just take half a day off here or there when there's a light day of work, but in 2020 I really didn't take any time off, so I'm sitting on quite a few hours of PTO right now.

Where I work, your PTO carries over until you hit 360 hours. Then they make you take time off whether you want to or not. I rarely take more than two days off at a time outside the holidays. The only time I took more than that was when I fractured my heel in 2016 and was out for five weeks and last year when my father passed away and I took off a week to help my mother out.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

Mister Kingdom posted:

I rarely take more than two days off at a time outside the holidays.

That's not good for the soul, my dude.

lord funk
Feb 16, 2004

LifeSunDeath posted:

[carmen sandiego]

That production schedule... :stare:

Seriously holy poo poo they did 65 episodes in 6 weeks. My loving god.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Trabant posted:

That's not good for the soul, my dude.

listen to this person

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

lord funk posted:

That production schedule... :stare:

Seriously holy poo poo they did 65 episodes in 6 weeks. My loving god.
2-3 shows a day? Plus a Saturday?

I feel for Rockapela

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

What is this "paid vacation"? At job 1, I'm at 36 hours per week, classified as PT and get no benefits. Job 2 is a contract gig, I get two weeks but they're unpaid and still working job 1. The last "vacation" I had was two weeks 100% unpaid three years ago, recovering from emergency gallbladder surgery.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
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rndmnmbr posted:

What is this "paid vacation"? At job 1, I'm at 36 hours per week, classified as PT and get no benefits. Job 2 is a contract gig, I get two weeks but they're unpaid and still working job 1. The last "vacation" I had was two weeks 100% unpaid three years ago, recovering from emergency gallbladder surgery.

Holy poo poo how do you survive mentally?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


rndmnmbr posted:

What is this "paid vacation"? At job 1, I'm at 36 hours per week, classified as PT and get no benefits. Job 2 is a contract gig, I get two weeks but they're unpaid and still working job 1. The last "vacation" I had was two weeks 100% unpaid three years ago, recovering from emergency gallbladder surgery.

LOL not only I get paid to take holidays, I get paid MORE than my normal rate.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

The US never abolish slavery, they just expanded it to cover everyone and renamed it "right to work".

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

Trabant posted:

That's not good for the soul, my dude.

Nah, I'm good.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Collateral Damage posted:

"right to work".

such bullshit. My wife is in a Union in a RTW state. Everyone's a member, but not nearly everyone pays dues.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Perhaps I confused it with At Will law.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Collateral Damage posted:

Perhaps I confused it with At Will law.

Same thing, just the right wing branding machine at work. Assume an ironic tone of voice if the person saying it isn't a business owner.

E: I guess it isn't. Weird.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Collateral Damage posted:

Perhaps I confused it with At Will law.

I associate that one mostly with an employer being able to fire you for any reason. It ain't discrimination if they don't tell you lol

Slimy Hog
Apr 22, 2008

Collateral Damage posted:

The US never abolish slavery, they just expanded it to cover everyone and renamed it "right to work".

Even more literally, the US never abolished slavery completely since using prisoners for slave labor is still legal and constitutionally protected.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry


Keith Atherton posted:

I was contracting at MS and one day I drive into work and there are flags on lamp posts all over campus with this logo



I’d worked there for the better part of a year and had never heard of it. So I asked my manager and he said “It’s like a Facebook phone”

I then asked too many questions like “What’s the market?” and “Why would you buy this instead of a Windows phone?” and realized I should shut up

Had a similar experience the next job when I saw a Windows 8 dogfood build a few months before it went to RTM

I never used a KIN (because no one did) but I thought on paper it could have been a good idea if the carriers had priced the data plans for it like other feature phones, instead of charging smart phone data plans for it.

But as it was, I have no idea why you would use a KIN over any other available smart phone of the time.

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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Lowen SoDium posted:

I never used a KIN (because no one did) but I thought on paper it could have been a good idea if the carriers had priced the data plans for it like other feature phones, instead of charging smart phone data plans for it.

But as it was, I have no idea why you would use a KIN over any other available smart phone of the time.

I never actually heard the term "feature phone" until non-smartphones were basically obsolete. Did the industry just come up with it as an alternative to the obvious name "dumbphone" that people were starting to use?

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




I seem to recall "feature phone" being a middle ground between smartphones and dumbphones. My old Motorola V551 flip phone could install a Gmail app and use it, so not a completely dumb phone but far from a smart phone.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

I seem to recall "feature phone" being a middle ground between smartphones and dumbphones. My old Motorola V551 flip phone could install a Gmail app and use it, so not a completely dumb phone but far from a smart phone.

I think this is exactly it - our first NMT "phone calls and a contacts list" phone was a dumbphone, my SonyEricsson W800 that I installed a java applet version of Opera Mobile on was a feature phone.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Computer viking posted:

I think this is exactly it - our first NMT "phone calls and a contacts list" phone was a dumbphone, my SonyEricsson W800 that I installed a java applet version of Opera Mobile on was a feature phone.

Feature phones are the ones with the feature of a hardcoded "WEB" button that if you accidentally touch your phone bill increases by $10 for daring to breathe in the near proximity of the Internet

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I always thought that "feature phone" was just any phone that was between phones that only made calls and smart phones. So a camera phone was a feature phone with a camera feature. And then there the proto-smart phones that had big screens and could do internet but weren't smart phones or whatever. My last phone before I got a Motorola Droid was an LG Voyager, and I'd say that the Voyager was a feature phone since it wasn't really a smartphone, it just had various features.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I think generally a feature phone is one that has one or more built in features other than calling and texting, like mp3 playback, camera, etc, but doesn't have the ability to install third party applications.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Collateral Damage posted:

Perhaps I confused it with At Will law.

"Right to work" means that if you work somewhere that has a union, you are not required to join the union. It essentially is a method of union busting because it's an attempt to starve the unions of their funding.

"At Will Employment" is practically universal in the US, it means they can terminate your employment for any reason at all, or no reason at all.

I managed to learn the difference because I worked somewhere once, where the CFO loved to fire people, and at our monthly all hands meeting would remind us that she could fire us any time she wanted to because we were not a "Right to Work state." I looked it up once, and she was wrong, Kansas is a Right to Work state, but we also had no unions, so she was actually referring to "At Will Employment."

Yes, working there was about as miserable as you can imagine, it's probably why I preferred the 2nd shift.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Collateral Damage posted:

I think generally a feature phone is one that has one or more built in features other than calling and texting, like mp3 playback, camera, etc, but doesn't have the ability to install third party applications.

J2ME applications were a thing for a while. My Sony Ericsson feature phone could install them, but they were mostly terribly bad games.

Gmail and Google Maps were definitely worth installing, though. And Opera Mobile.

I had to use a Bluetooth GPS adapter, which was a whole thing.

How about the Nokia Symbian phones? Smartphone or feature phone?

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

Aren't those Java phone games largely lost now? Are there emulators for them? I'd love to play, like, doom rpg and poo poo

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

Killingyouguy! posted:

Aren't those Java phone games largely lost now? Are there emulators for them? I'd love to play, like, doom rpg and poo poo

I dug my old Razr phone out a few months ago specifically to play Doom RPG.







Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

Killingyouguy! posted:

Aren't those Java phone games largely lost now? Are there emulators for them? I'd love to play, like, doom rpg and poo poo

Given the hardware I'd imagine any phones that weren't trashed show no signs of slowing down.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Killingyouguy! posted:

Aren't those Java phone games largely lost now? Are there emulators for them? I'd love to play, like, doom rpg and poo poo

I had an emulator for them on my android phone some time ago. Most of the games I tried just wouldn't scale with a higher screen resolution, some wouldn't run and nearly all of them aren't made to be played with a touchscreen, so you're hammering at an emulated keypad that might be missing specific function, ok and back keys or a volume slider that the phone the game was targeted at would have had. My nostalgia was quickly overcome. But it's technically feasible and there are torrents around with massive collections of them.

E: j2me is the keyword

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Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Iron Crowned posted:

"Right to work" means that if you work somewhere that has a union, you are not required to join the union. It essentially is a method of union busting because it's an attempt to starve the unions of their funding.
"At Will Employment" is practically universal in the US, it means they can terminate your employment for any reason at all, or no reason at all.
Oh right, so they're not mutually exclusive either? Thanks for the explanation!

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

Collateral Damage posted:

I think generally a feature phone is one that has one or more built in features other than calling and texting, like mp3 playback, camera, etc, but doesn't have the ability to install third party applications.

Yeah, that's how they are described in my industry. A dumb phone can only make calls, feature phones have other built-in apps like web browsers, document viewers, music playback etc, and a smart phone lets you install more stuff as you want it. It's been a log time since I've ever had to do any forensics work on anything but a smart phone though.

legooolas
Jul 30, 2004

KozmoNaut posted:

How about the Nokia Symbian phones? Smartphone or feature phone?

Smartphone, just not terribly smart. You could add apps etc.

Wasn't the first iPhone technically not a smartphone because it couldn't do MMS and that was part of the requirements?
(Might also have been made up to attack the iPhone?)

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

legooolas posted:

Smartphone, just not terribly smart. You could add apps etc.

Wasn't the first iPhone technically not a smartphone because it couldn't do MMS and that was part of the requirements?
(Might also have been made up to attack the iPhone?)

While not untrue, MMS messages were at best a fringe issue and used as an insult towards the first iPhone.

While we are at it, Nokia had one goofy-looking prototype phone here in Finland which was basically "everything iPhone did" three-four years before actual iPhone. Unfortunately it had the same goofy rear end looking design as the first nGage and was abandoned as "financially unsound" gimmick phone with too many unneccessary non-phone features.

Yes, before their collapse the late stage Nokia was a corporation full of micromanaging bickering idiots with no idea on what to do with their technology, so the suits sold everything to Microsoft.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

legooolas posted:


Wasn't the first iPhone technically not a smartphone because it couldn't do MMS and that was part of the requirements?
(Might also have been made up to attack the iPhone?)
Lol

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


legooolas posted:

Smartphone, just not terribly smart. You could add apps etc.

Then my Sony-Ericsson "Greenheart" phones were also smartphones, because you could install J2ME apps on them. That goes for the horrible Samsung X660 I had before those, too. They all had web browsers, could do e-mail and had (rudimentary) app stores.

There doesn't seem to be a clear cut definition, but it hinges on some combination of touch UI and general purpose computing.

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legooolas
Jul 30, 2004

KozmoNaut posted:

Then my Sony-Ericsson "Greenheart" phones were also smartphones, because you could install J2ME apps on them. That goes for the horrible Samsung X660 I had before those, too. They all had web browsers, could do e-mail had (rudimentary).

There doesn't seem to be a clear cut definition, but it hinges on some combination of touch UI and general purpose computing.

Wikipedia says "A smartphone is a mobile device that combines cellular and mobile computing functions into one unit. They are distinguished from feature phones by their stronger hardware capabilities and extensive mobile operating systems, which facilitate wider software, internet (including web browsing[1] over mobile broadband), and multimedia functionality (including music, video, cameras, and gaming), alongside core phone functions such as voice calls and text messaging."

..but has no citations for where this definition came from, mentions no extensibility, installable applications, touch UI or such. So I guess it's up to whomever writes any particular definition? :D

I always considered the Symbian and Palm phones I had as "smart" but obviously nothing like it's expect from a modern phone.

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