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Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


A d&d mod died in loving libya at a 'consulate' lol

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Brown Moses probably had to/enthusiastically described everything about the forums to his handlers

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

animist posted:

i hope the intelligence agents reading this thread get a good chuckle from our hijinks sometimes.

like I know it's a meme to post about "the nsa agent reading this" but every thread on this forum has to be setting off alarm bells at some three letter agency. C-SPAM has gotta be hitting way too many key word filters for nobody to be checking on it periodically

i've already posted a big ol paragraph of words guaranteed to get you on the NSA watchlist. it is too late to keep this place off the watchlist.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Riot Bimbo posted:

A d&d mod died in loving libya at a 'consulate' lol

Lol

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

I don't think any actual people work for the NSA any more. It's just a giant neural net running in a data center. Sometimes it beeps and they send the wet work guys out.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

bedpan posted:

i've already posted a big ol paragraph of words guaranteed to get you on the NSA watchlist. it is too late to keep this place off the watchlist.

Every man, woman and child is on the watchlist. Go hog wild!

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

Every man, woman and child is on the watchlist. Go hog wild!

That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me.

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
hail satan

early devil's page post, too excited to wait

Horizon Burning
Oct 23, 2019
:discourse:

mawarannahr posted:

what the gently caress does it say

-the RO is around 6 not 3
-china is covering up how bad it is, as is the CDC and WHO
-it'll be everywhere by may
-many mutations expected
-first country outside china to hit will be Italy
-the stock market will crash in march

Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

Jeffrey's death has made too many people radicalize. And not in the direction that the intelligence agencies want!!!

Moving on, lol at Matt Gaetz being the sacrificial lamb for everyone to tear apart. After the clusterfuck of the past 4 years and everything getting exposed, Trump's bungling of the cabal's itinerary, and Jeffrey being suicided, they're offering up a scapegoat on which everything is being pinned for public consumption. Gaetz is gonna die a slow public death.

Matt Gaetz: "I wanna be as Trumpy as Trump! I want to be in the media forever!"
*monkey's paw curls*

nut
Jul 30, 2019

When I saw all those Gaetz stories about the game he played with other male politicians to try to sleep with as many colleagues as possible, I hum and haw wondering how they would prove it. Hm if only they each had some way to generate proof hm.

nut
Jul 30, 2019


the young blood thing first arose a couple years ago when a group of researchers in california revived an antiquated technique of interweaving the circulatory systems of a young and old mouse and showing some health measures improved in the older mouse. In what I think is a great display of who benefits from medical science, the researchers publicly published a paper extolling the potential future therapeutic benefits (presumably through identifying important factors in the young blood that contributed to improved health) and privately began a company which sells bags of young adult blood (purchased from blood banks) to be transfused into older people for a couple grand a session.

Since then, afaik the biggest advance was another research group showing that the addition of young blood didn't do as much to fight aging as did the clearance of accumulating factors in old blood. Accordingly, they showed just transfusing artificial plasma could achieve similar improvements. They also went on to immediately start a company to begin testing.

I used to think (naively) the study of adult neuroplasticity was pretty immune to bad actors since you could show the world the importance of the environment in shaping the brain, providing a theoretical basis to social reform. But instead we get this

https://www.darpa.mil/program/targeted-neuroplasticity-training

"The Targeted Neuroplasticity Training (TNT) program supports improved, accelerated training of military personnel in multifaceted and complex tasks. The program is investigating the use of non-invasive neurotechnology in combination with training to boost the neurochemical signaling in the brain that mediates neural plasticity and facilitates long-term retention of new cognitive skills. If successful, TNT technology would apply to a wide range of defense-relevant needs, including foreign language learning, marksmanship, cryptography, target discrimination, and intelligence analysis, improving outcomes while reducing the cost and duration of the Defense Department’s extensive training regimen."

e: on a scientific note, thanks to the posters yesterday who have now shattered my mind showing that humans developed to be wasteful entropy machines simply to abide by therodynamics

nut has issued a correction as of 13:19 on Apr 8, 2021

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

a few DRUNK BONERS posted:

I don't think any actual people work for the NSA any more. It's just a giant neural net running in a data center. Sometimes it beeps and they send the wet work guys out.

I was interviewed by a government guy as part of a background check for one of my friends when they were trying to get a government job. He had a folder open on the table when I met him, and the first page had a big header that said "NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY," so I obviously pointed at it and said "ha, does that say 'NSA'?" He closed it and said, "no, it said 'department of homeland security.'" anyway that's my nsa story, I think that's how it happened

cagliostr0
Jun 8, 2020

mawarannahr posted:

Brown Moses probably had to/enthusiastically described everything about the forums to his handlers

The thing that cracks my ping is was BM already a CIA asset during the phone hacking scandal. A gently caress Tom of stuff about corrupt policing came out but he more or less dropped it all the second Louise Mensch suicide bombed the select committee report. The most broke brained Russia gate resister was a Tory hack who dove on a grenade for Murdoch.

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos
I'm not sure I know what any of that means

PuErhTeabag
Sep 2, 2018

Inverted Icon posted:

I'm not sure I know what any of that means

Harry Potter on Ice
Nov 4, 2006


IF IM NOT BITCHING ABOUT HOW SHITTY MY LIFE IS, REPORT ME FOR MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HIJACKED

animist posted:

i hope the intelligence agents reading this thread get a good chuckle from our hijinks sometimes.

Reading? You mean posting right? Lol if you think they wouldn't want to be more involved than just reading

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Vilerats last post was on the day that he died, posted right to the end

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




how does that tattoo get past a security clearance screen

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

Real hurthling! posted:

how does that tattoo get past a security clearance screen

very carefully

meanwhile this guy is firin off the hypnosis takes at a very big brain level

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/...ingawful.com%2F

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
New limited hangout just dropped

https://twitter.com/ejdickson/status/1379888159769694209?s=19

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

ram dass in hell posted:

very carefully

meanwhile this guy is firin off the hypnosis takes at a very big brain level

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/...ingawful.com%2F

that’s cool but I actually hypnotized Scott Adams first

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

mark immune posted:

that’s cool but I actually hypnotized Scott Adams first

what you fail to realize is Scott Adams hypnotized you into hypnotizing him so he could become a reverse triple agent against himself

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

brb e-mailing Kojima about a new plot idea

Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

Fried Watermelon posted:

Vilerats last post was on the day that he died, posted right to the end

You either post through it or you don't.

:patriot:

nut
Jul 30, 2019

i been spending a lot of time trying to come at people like Ewen Cameron and Robert Heath from a science first perspective in hoping of understanding the impetus behind their research. Science historian Anne Herrington makes a good point that without this perspective we instead lean on social relations as indicative of ultimate purpose and, in the case of CIA-implicated researchers, cloud over any other reason for them to test the things they did.

That being said what am I supposed to do with this? On one hand, these are profoundly unscientific studies (much of Heath's work is riddled with experimenter bias did nothing to elucidate physiological mechanisms of the phenomenon he wanted to study), but in certain hands they are likely viewed more positively.



Backweb
Feb 14, 2009

nut posted:

That being said what am I supposed to do with this? On one hand, these are profoundly unscientific studies [...] but in certain hands they are likely viewed more positively.





Forget it, nut. It's think tank ~ a e s t h e t i c s ~ town.

(but yeah, it feels like all of academia has been coopted for this singular goal)

Inverted Icon
Apr 8, 2020

by Athanatos
If you wanna see impact on science and therapy, see where the paper your scrutinizing is cited. google scholar streamlines this for you

E: search the paper title, and if it comes up, there will be a hyperlinked quotation button ( " ) hyperlinked underneath which will show a list of all citing articles

EE: looks like rg heath has some deec citation numbers, but not enough to break into big dog status. The sucky thing about leaked/foi documents is that picture scans, so you can't actually control+f "heath" on all those memos

Inverted Icon has issued a correction as of 21:14 on Apr 8, 2021

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
I just finished this book by the same author of thread favorite ‘Programmed to Kill.’



His commentary on American psychology is quite something:



I guess this explains why Jordan Peterson has such a boner for Carl Jung?

nut
Jul 30, 2019

that psychology is the main appendage to justify suffering as individual failings is a really amazing way to frame it, particularly with the rabid expansion of the DSM as of late to include every addiction it can

e: hell, it's a good way to even look at physical medicine since the same individual blame is placed on physical disease. I know epidemiology should be a discipline that could provide some counter to that but that one is deep in the book pile rn

nut has issued a correction as of 03:09 on Apr 9, 2021

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1051207009201197061?s=19

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

this is cool, every giant company should be t-boned by sex trafficking allegations coordinated by people to gently caress with them

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

"Kent, i'd be LYING if i said my outfit weren't a CIA operation!"

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

nut posted:

that psychology is the main appendage to justify suffering as individual failings is a really amazing way to frame it

You can say the exact same thing about American Christianity.

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

You can say the exact same thing about American Christianity.

American Christianity is a coping mechanism for capitalist oppression

fr0id
Jul 27, 2016

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
I’m gonna stick up for psychology a bit. First, this is a book written in the very early 2000s and it mentions two psychologists who were most prominent 40-50 years ago. Psychology has changed a lot since then, and there have been large feminist and otherwise movements to break ties with Freud. In most college courses he is given credit for the subconscious. Jung is mostly treated as a vocabulary term.

A lot of the statements against psychology are true to an extent, but they don’t constitute enough evidence to destroy the field. There has been a lot of productive and even leftist work done in the field since the 50s.

fr0id has issued a correction as of 05:58 on Apr 9, 2021

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop
But have you broken ties with Freud, fr0id?

Perry Mason Jar posted:

[Epstein] pedophile-military-intelligence-industrial-serial killer complex thread

Too long for thread title?

Paffgen
Jul 13, 2009
There's plenty to rag on Freud about but going to need to get a little closer than doing an interview with someone who went on to support the Nazis to pin him with Nazi sympathies.
Jung of course analysed Allen Dulles' wife and his mistress, there's a bit about that in The Devil's Chessboard.
"The esteemed psychoanalyst was happy to oblige. The two most powerful men in Mary Bancroft’s life were intrigued with each other, though they had little direct communication. Jung had a hard time figuring out Dulles. He did not fit neatly into the Jungian system of power archetypes. One could see in Dulles the same disturbing mix of magnetism and ruthlessness that Jung observed in the dictators of his day. But there was also an impenetrable blankness that made him hard to read. Jung warned Mary that her lover was “quite a tough nut.”
Dulles, for his part, approved of his wife and mistress’s submitting to Jung’s treatment. He told Mary that he realized analysis could be “useful” for others, but he was convinced that he himself had no need for it.”"

Highlights of interest from Nazi guy's (George Sylvester Viereck) wikipedia:
"Viereck became close friends with Nikola Tesla. Tesla occasionally attended dinner parties held by Viereck and his wife. He dedicated his poem "Fragments of Olympian Gossip" to Viereck, a work in which Tesla ridiculed the scientific establishment of the day.

Support for Hitler
Viereck founded two publications, The International (of which the notorious poet and occultist Aleister Crowley was a contributing editor for a time) and The Fatherland, which argued the German cause during World War I. Viereck became a well-known supporter of National Socialism. In 1933, Viereck again met with Hitler, now Germany's leader, in Berlin, and in 1934, he gave a speech to twenty thousand "Friends of the New Germany" at New York's Madison Square Garden, in which he compared Hitler to Franklin D. Roosevelt and told his audience to sympathize with National Socialism without being antisemites. His Jewish friends denounced him as "George Swastika Viereck", but he continued to promote National Socialism.

Post war
Viereck also published a vampire novel, The House of the Vampire (1907), which is one of the first psychic vampire stories where a vampire feeds off more than just blood."

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

fr0id posted:

I’m gonna stick up for psychology a bit. First, this is a book written in the very early 2000s and it mentions two psychologists who were most prominent 40-50 years ago. Psychology has changed a lot since then, and there have been large feminist and otherwise movements to break ties with Freud. In most college courses he is given credit for the subconscious. Jung is mostly treated as a vocabulary term.

A lot of the statements against psychology are true to an extent, but they don’t constitute enough evidence to destroy the field. There has been a lot of productive and even leftist work done in the field since the 50s.

OK, you said they left out the good stuff. Please, tell us the good stuff.

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DOMELORD420
Dec 28, 2000

mawarannahr posted:

OK, you said they left out the good stuff. Please, tell us the good stuff.

I'm by no means an expert, but almost the entire field of psychotherapy is no longer based on Freud and Jung's weird mindsurf cocaine ramblings. You'd be really hard pressed to come by any therapist doing legit Freudian psychoanalysis in 2021. There's a lot of humanist thought in modern psychology.

Whether humanistic thought as a whole is an op is a whole different question (Carl Rogers sure loved consensus building...), but generally speaking modern psychology focuses on freeing people from the effects of harmful structures, not controlling them. Erich Fromm, Alfred Adler, R. D. Laing, are all pretty far removed from the roots of early psychology. Hell, R.D. Laing was a schizophrenia skeptic, something this very thread has been talking about the last few days. I wouldn't write off the entire (admittedly soft) science altogether because it's founders were kooks.

Again, I'm no expert, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong.

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