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Ardennes posted:I feel like the only resolution is every needs to take a trip to Xinjiang. sorta like that “10 million people naruto run to Area 51” event?? I’ll start the meetup page
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Apr 9, 2021 02:29
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We need to invade China so we can subjugate the uighurs properly.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:48
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indigi posted:sorta like that “10 million people naruto run to Area 51” event?? I’ll start the meetup page not really. you can just go to xinjiang it’s not a restricted province
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Apr 9, 2021 03:07
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mila kunis posted:i'm curious as to what the liberals taking potshots at china actually want though (i mean its obvious what they actually want but don't say, the same thing that happened to the USSR - the destruction of the communists and their economy and weakening it badly enough so that they can't seriously challenge the USA unless they submit to western hegemony). letting the capitalist beast in was the only way they could get development done and that they did it while maintaining independence and keeping billionaires under the thumb of state policy is pretty good. i think the western leftist ideal is that china never shifts gears from a 100% planned economy, tries to trade in the same way as the ussr did, and simply does DPRK-style autarky if/when the global capitalist economic order simply shuts it out on the basis that it has such a large population and so much land that it might be able to build up its productive forces completely on its own. i think it probably could do this, but the question is how quickly it could do it compared to doing deng stuff, and how many total years of human life are lost to developmental time lag from autarky (plus the chance of the entire project being overthrown from outside due to technological disadvantage and economic encirclement) vs. lost to the miseries of capitalist development in the second case (plus the chance of the entire project being overthrown from the inside by the very national bourgeoisie you've allowed to fester) i don't think this is a clear-cut comparison - it'd be NICE if autarky was actually competitive with liberalization from a development of productive forces + raw overall QoL level, but is it? these are the kinds of numbers you have to pay attention to it's like the "more billionaires every day" thing. yes, that's true - but there are also more chinese people every day period, and a bigger chinese economy every day. the question is not if there are more individual billionaires but if the percentage of total national wealth controlled by billionaires is growing faster or slower than the total national wealth available to the public due to it manifesting as infrastructure investment, social prgrams, etc (it might actually be worse if there were FEWER billionaires every day, because it might mean that more and more money is being concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer monopolists) indigi posted:the bad guys still win in the end point of order - if i recall correctly, the movie strongly implies that there's a lot more where the bugs came from and the humans are doomed in the long run in spite of their closing propaganda push
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Apr 9, 2021 03:07
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Ferrinus posted:i think the western leftist ideal is that china never shifts gears from a 100% planned economy, tries to trade in the same way as the ussr did, and simply does DPRK-style autarky if/when the global capitalist economic order simply shuts it out on the basis that it has such a large population and so much land that it might be able to build up its productive forces completely on its own. i think it probably could do this, but the question is how quickly it could do it compared to doing deng stuff, and how many total years of human life are lost to developmental time lag from autarky (plus the chance of the entire project being overthrown from outside due to technological disadvantage and economic encirclement) vs. lost to the miseries of capitalist development in the second case (plus the chance of the entire project being overthrown from the inside by the very national bourgeoisie you've allowed to fester) It was tried and didn’t work (the Great Leap Forward). China had a massive labor pool, but it simply didn’t have the tools to turn that labor into material gains. There is a reason why by 1989 was using mostly old late 1950s Soviet designs, it is the best they could get or re-engineer. It isn’t that the PRC wanted to be autarkic but simply put them needed to play ball to get even a relative minor degree of trade access by the late 1970. You can only bootstrap so far. It is one of those issues where there is actually a bunch of data on it but it is readily ignored.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:31
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The US elites (both left and right) probably want China economy go the route of Japan, buckled under trade negotiation pressure and went on 3 long decades of recession, or like Asian Tigers after the Asian Financial Crisis. But the China's capital control is so strict, the Western financial sectors has little influence over the boom and bust cycle inside China; and the pace of Chinese industrialization has been so much faster than ASEAN countries, they are not comparable at all. I am not convinced the US left has a different agenda from the right on the topic of China. The West/US was not the only one betted on the wrong horse on the China roulette. The Taiwanese pro-independence/green camp has been betting on China going to the route of Soviet-style collapse since 2000, that's why they put themselves in a strategy dead end and have no way walk out of it.
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Apr 9, 2021 04:01
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Atrocious Joe posted:if only all these guys got together, we could finally learn the truth about Xinjiang god these are the last faces so many local 10 year olds saw
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Apr 9, 2021 04:02
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Ferrinus posted:point of order - if i recall correctly, the movie strongly implies that there's a lot more where the bugs came from and the humans are doomed in the long run in spite of their closing propaganda push that’s an optimistic read for a Verhoeven sci fi movie. I got the vibe that with the capture of a brain bug they’d be able to just glass every bug planet they wanted since the point of every infantry confrontation to that point was to get their hands on brainy. (also I’m pretty sure Buenos Ares was a false flag and the bugs have no means of rapid interstellar force projection or humans would indeed be hosed)
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Apr 9, 2021 04:17
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indigi posted:that’s an optimistic read for a Verhoeven sci fi movie. I got the vibe that with the capture of a brain bug they’d be able to just glass every bug planet they wanted since the point of every infantry confrontation to that point was to get their hands on brainy. they don't have any clue what to do with it, though. The psychics are frauds who do things like correctly ID that a trembling bug is scared, they can't actually weaponize Big Brain Bug they just needed a propaganda win.
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Apr 9, 2021 04:28
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sexpig by night posted:they can't actually weaponize Big Brain Bug they just needed a propaganda win. yeah that’s why I said they can just glass every bug planet if they want. I don’t expect them to suddenly have intelligent strategy
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Apr 9, 2021 04:31
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indigi posted:yeah that’s why I said they can just glass every bug planet if they want. I don’t expect them to suddenly have intelligent strategy oh, yea, then we agree, sorry I'm used to Starship Troopers somehow being a property with hotly debated meaning
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Apr 9, 2021 04:32
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Bad Empanada is a good writer and makes good arguments, but man, Shaun and Three Arrows have the right idea.
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Apr 9, 2021 05:33
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https://mobile.twitter.com/janecoaston/status/1380277574870392835
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Apr 9, 2021 05:36
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edit: derp
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Apr 9, 2021 05:43
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sexpig by night posted:oh, yea, then we agree, sorry I'm used to Starship Troopers somehow being a property with hotly debated meaning wtf is going on with your av/title, have you been posting in d&d recently
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Apr 9, 2021 06:01
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Russia is garbage lol
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Apr 9, 2021 06:11
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quote:“In the same sense that Russia’s [anti-LGBT] laws came about in 2013, we’ve seen similar sorts of laws proposed in Tennessee, for example,” Cole Parke, an LGBT researcher with Political Research Associates, told me. “It’s difficult to say in a chicken-and-egg sort of way who’s inspiring whom, but there’s definitely a correlation between the two movements.” quote:the trio outlined an organization that would help oversee a global Christian right—and restore Russia to a position abdicated during the atheistic Soviet period. quote:After all, it’s not as if it’s difficult to unearth the fundamentalists fawning over Putin’s putative turn toward God. For instance, according to Bryan Fischer, who until 2015 was a spokesman for the American Family Association, Putin is the “lion of Christianity.” Evangelical Franklin Graham has likewise lauded Putin as someone “protecting traditional Christianity,” while Buchanan only continues praising Putin. Even recent frictions—see: Russia’s recent legislation against non-Orthodox proselytizing—have hardly dampened US fundamentalists’ newfound fervor for Moscow. Oh I was wondering when this article was published: February 09, 2017 It's 4 years old, that's why it's so heavily focused on Trumps election lmao. I am just going to go with Chris Hedges here when he speaks of christian fascists in USA. From reading this article I didn't get the sense that the author knows anything about religion in USSR or Russia, or anything about eastern orthodoxy. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 06:23 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 06:11
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Venomous posted:since the author is an ancom, this video will undoubtedly piss off everyone but the anarchists itt, but I found it pretty balanced and good on the whole, and well worth an hour of your time Wait, is that guy self-describing as an Anarcho-communist while having a patreon page and a store selling "anarchist merch"? Are these people for real? Last week that Vaush sexual offender guy, now this?
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Apr 9, 2021 06:52
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fart simpson posted:not really. you can just go to xinjiang it’s not a restricted province This is true. My wife's (expat) colleague just went for the recent 3 day weekend. Personally I feel that horrible genocidal poo poo hole and tourist trap are probably contradictory, but what do I know, I just live here. The only place you need to register/ get a tour guide to go to is tibet (the province of tibet), but parts of it are still accessible on your own, such as in southern gansu or western sichuan. Xiahe is a nice tibetan tourist spot that many people go to. Mirello has issued a correction as of 06:55 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 06:53
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indigi posted:Russia is garbage lol still better than here in almost any other way 
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Apr 9, 2021 07:23
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https://twitter.com/rapplerdotcom/status/1380397892662394880?s=19 AUGH GO AWAY
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Apr 9, 2021 07:32
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russia desperate to prove the iskanders work unlike pashinyan said lol https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1380411168553119745 russian iskander: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McDpSYezsLs
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Apr 9, 2021 07:45
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Ardennes posted:I feel like the only resolution is everyone needs to take a trip to Xinjiang. you say it like a joke but I'll probably go there before the end of the year
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Apr 9, 2021 08:11
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Ardennes posted:I feel like the only resolution is everyone needs to take a trip to Xinjiang. *extremely Sam Neill voice* I would like to see Xinjiang
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Apr 9, 2021 08:27
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Dante80 posted:Wait, is that guy self-describing as an Anarcho-communist while having a patreon page and a store selling "anarchist merch"? Don't make me post that Matt Bors comic.
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Apr 9, 2021 08:40
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https://twitter.com/manupubby/status/1380384777560223746
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Apr 9, 2021 09:37
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Yeah, it is a bit bizarre, it is unclear what the US is hoping to accomplish.
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Apr 9, 2021 10:12
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not like the us needs a reason to wave its dick around
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Apr 9, 2021 11:50
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if there is ever a real conflict all those big fancy surface ships are going to get a nuclear torpedo on day one
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Apr 9, 2021 12:57
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mila kunis posted:what are some alternative routes china could've gone down? 
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Apr 9, 2021 14:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/rapplerdotcom/status/1380397892662394880?s=19 it turns out that strings attached to the NED money wasn't anything political, but they have to keep promoting Hillary
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Apr 9, 2021 15:04
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Atrocious Joe posted:it turns out that strings attached to the NED money wasn't anything political, but they have to keep promoting Hillary https://twitter.com/rapplerdotcom/status/1380475325440737281  
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Apr 9, 2021 15:11
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a salary cap is a great starting place
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Apr 9, 2021 16:16
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indigi posted:a salary cap is a great starting place how about a dunce cap that anyone who is rich has to wear in public
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Apr 9, 2021 16:38
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it will become a coveted status symbol
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Apr 9, 2021 16:49
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Lol
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Apr 9, 2021 16:52
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anyone that works for the CIA is an evil war criminal
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Apr 9, 2021 17:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:This 7nm GPU out of China is said to rival AMD and Nvidia's finest US adds Chinese supercomputing companies to export blacklist Edit: The first use of the export blacklist by the Biden administration. TSMC can still build the chips since the foreign export rule was not attached. OhFunny has issued a correction as of 17:48 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 17:44
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Agrajag posted:anyone that works for the CIA is an evil war criminal Fun fact: the peace corps has an explicit rule where if you ever worked for the cia or the nsa in any capacity or had family that worked for the cia you are banned from working with them Funnily enough this rule applies in reverse; the CIA / NSA won't take you if you worked for the peace corps
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Apr 9, 2021 17:53
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  https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1380481964805914627 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
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Apr 9, 2021 17:59
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