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Jordan7hm posted:why are you linking a video that's complaining about "SJWs" I clicked on that video and it's impressive how it manages to be a beacon for just the worst kind of warhammer fans. The ones who are just extra smug about how "everyone's evil, you just don't get it!"
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Apr 9, 2021 02:09
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Nuebot posted:I clicked on that video and it's impressive how it manages to be a beacon for just the worst kind of warhammer fans. The ones who are just extra smug about how "everyone's evil, you just don't get it!" sure but they arnt really wrong. like their are good people on the side of the imperium and such but the systems of all the major factions are flawed and broken. like i think trying to use orks as "born evil" is kinda of dumb example because while 40k isnt mass effect, its more complex then D&D bio essentialist poo poo. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 02:14
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sure but they arnt really wrong. like their are good people on the side of the imperium and such but the systems of all the major factions are flawed and broken. If you read the lore, yeah. But a surface observation presents the imperium, and especially the space marines (ultramarines specifically in most cases) as very heroic in most art and media pieces. Like if all you've done is played the occasional game on steam and seen art then "the space marines are the good guys" is easily a takeaway you can get.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:17
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Nuebot posted:If you read the lore, yeah. But a surface observation presents the imperium, and especially the space marines (ultramarines specifically in most cases) as very heroic in most art and media pieces. Like if all you've done is played the occasional game on steam and seen art then "the space marines are the good guys" is easily a takeaway you can get. true. and to some extent the imperium are the "good" guys of the faction especially since they moved the story clock past midnight and brought Guilliman.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:19
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40k would be better if more stuff was presented as in universe narration from non-imperial faction perspectives. Give us more Deff Skwadrons and more stories where Chaos affiliated peeps get to be the main characters without going "tee hee look how evil we are" every other page. Chaos should think it's the good guy just as much as the Imperium does.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:29
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Terrible Opinions posted:40k would be better if more stuff was presented as in universe narration from non-imperial faction perspectives. Give us more Deff Skwadrons and more stories where Chaos affiliated peeps get to be the main characters without going "tee hee look how evil we are" every other page. Chaos should think it's the good guy just as much as the Imperium does. i mean alot of the books they do. or they have lived for so long they no longer care. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3494493 book barn recommends some great ones. most of the best books are from the chaos perspective.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:31
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Terrible Opinions posted:40k would be better if more stuff was presented as in universe narration from non-imperial faction perspectives. Give us more Deff Skwadrons and more stories where Chaos affiliated peeps get to be the main characters without going "tee hee look how evil we are" every other page. Chaos should think it's the good guy just as much as the Imperium does. It's happening, albeit slowly. One of my favourite bits like this is a brief moment in the novel Anarch where a loyalist Guardsman and a cultist have a discussion and the cultist explains how they still worship the same god and their war has been tantamount to the cult doing an intervention for a friend in need in the most warped way possible.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:33
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Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer https://twitter.com/devincf/status/1380252284068622337?s=19
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Apr 9, 2021 02:33
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's happening, albeit slowly. yeah. like it depends on the chaos chapter. like the world bearers legit worship chaos hardcore because their primarch got slapped down hard by daddy for worshiping him and he couldnt handle not having something faith in a higher being, so he found chaos and worshiped that even though he hates them to some degree because shits loving monstrous but because its the "truth", he has to be devout to it. which is sad because lorgar is one of the genuinly nicest primarchs. most of the primarchs who turn against the imperium turned for human reasons and because BIG E was bad dad. McCloud posted:Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer go back in the poo poo tank, you sack of poo poo. also actually watch the snyder cut, its surprisingly chill. also how is falcon/winter soldier? i havent watched it yet. i liked wandavision. look guys, i still have it. I am still woke and cool. https://twitter.com/devincf/status/1380251705489551360 though to be fair. i am not much better. https://twitter.com/pengun101/status/1362828460738109448 Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 02:38
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean alot of the books they do. or they have lived for so long they no longer care. McCloud posted:Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer 
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Apr 9, 2021 02:42
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McCloud posted:Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer I dunno, who? Seriously, I have no idea who this is.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:42
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Ariong posted:I dunno, who? sexual assulter devin farci. he played being some big brain woke critic while sexualy assulting women at bars.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:43
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sexual assulter devin farci. he played being some big brain woke critic while sexualy assulting women at bars. Oh. Weird that he's still trying to be a cool tweet guy.
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Apr 9, 2021 02:49
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the mechanicus are cool this is legitimately my only Warhammer Opinion please don't cross-examine me about this poo poo
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Apr 9, 2021 02:59
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McCloud posted:Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer Why is the pumpkin dance man on Marvel tv shows now?
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Apr 9, 2021 03:00
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Alaois posted:the mechanicus are cool no the mechanicus is the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRUF5kVkAQ Neo-gothic dubstep is a great genre of music.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:01
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McCloud posted:Hey guys, guess who stuck his head out the sewer What's fun is that none of his other tweets have any kind of engagement, like maybe a single like or one comment, going back as far as I cared to look before giving up. It would be nice if one of these people could stay gone for once.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:09
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Dapper_Swindler posted:also how is falcon/winter soldier? i havent watched it yet. i liked wandavision.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:10
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:What's fun is that none of his other tweets have any kind of engagement, like maybe a single like or one comment, going back as far as I cared to look before giving up. It would be nice if one of these people could stay gone for once. Maybe that was a trial balloon to see how people would react. Badly, is the answer
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Apr 9, 2021 03:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's happening, albeit slowly. The characters in "Night Lords" was still a little too "evil", but it's easily the best 40k novel series for that simple fact. Their motivations made sense, and made them very sympathetic.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:19
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The Tau are the good guys.
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Apr 9, 2021 03:21
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Groovelord Neato posted:The Tau are the good guys. still extremely funny how after the first wave of tau releases when people pointed out that they were the only morally defensible faction in the entire game and that "rawrg, communism" wasn't actually enough to change that, they added a bunch of hamfisted poo poo about them sterilizing colonized people for ???reasons??? to try and make them as bad as everyone else
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Apr 9, 2021 03:33
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realizing that people actually like communists and then having to resort to painting them as some kind of ultra-genocidal freaks to get people to dislike them happens a lot
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Apr 9, 2021 03:49
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the bad 40k media is the stuff that tries to actually tell deep stories and moral drama. the good 40k media is the extremely long wiki articles
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Apr 9, 2021 04:17
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Farm Frenzy posted:the bad 40k media is the stuff that tries to actually tell deep stories and moral drama. the good 40k media is the extremely long wiki articles lol. i like it because its big universe and while it has its issues with stories(many being crappy and or boltor porn) i like that its big enough to have tons of different types of stories. like i love the necromunda part of it, and the weird smaller stories with the admech loving around with weird poo poo. like you can follow stories that are pushing the grand narrative forward past midnight and such. but it doesn't suffer like the Old EU star wars books did, where it was just the heroes of yavin solving the space crisis in Sarajevo. Groovelord Neato posted:The Tau are the good guys. the tau are kinda still influx with the writing i believe. i always viewed tau as basicaly 40k version of Halos Covenant, but instead of religious nuts, they are sorta communist. the implication now is that the leader class was probably created by the eldar or something as kinda proxy force they could use indirectly against chaos or some poo poo. so they are also sorta like bretonia in that regard. they are morally better than the space nazis but they are still hosed up on their own levels. kinda depends on the writers with what tau you get. Personally, i am a admech and chaos and sisters of battle man myself. Doctor Spaceman posted:Got a real feeling its reach is going to exceed its grasp with respect to the politics. i wouldnt know. its marvel so it will be a mixed bag i am sure. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 04:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:true. and to some extent the imperium are the "good" guys of the faction especially since they moved the story clock past midnight and brought Guilliman. Definitely, a lot of people just really hate the ultramarines for this very reason, and the big boot man himself specifically because of the hard pivot into just how Good Guy they are compared to everything else the imperium does. Alaois posted:the mechanicus are cool They also get the best 40k game. Though unless they really do a total warhammer in space, the competition isn't exactly tight.
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Apr 9, 2021 04:34
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Impermanent posted:realizing that people actually like communists and then having to resort to painting them as some kind of ultra-genocidal freaks to get people to dislike them happens a lot The Tau were never communists, they have a loving caste system.
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Apr 9, 2021 04:42
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Nuebot posted:Definitely, a lot of people just really hate the ultramarines for this very reason, and the big boot man himself specifically because of the hard pivot into just how Good Guy they are compared to everything else the imperium does. it depends on the chapters, folks like the lamenters, ultramarines, salamanders, Raven Guard are basicaly Good Guys. but the smurfs get to be on the cereal boxes. also yeah, that games great. though i think think darktide and necromunda hired gun look dope too.
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Apr 9, 2021 04:48
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Neo_Crimson posted:The Tau were never communists, they have a loving caste system. Ah, but it's a communist caste system, as communists are wont to have.
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Apr 9, 2021 06:01
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Groovelord Neato posted:The Farsight Enclave are the good guys.
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Apr 9, 2021 06:35
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The Tyranids are the good guys. They saw a galaxy full of evil and seek to fix this by turning it into more Tyranids.
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Apr 9, 2021 06:42
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The Tyranids at least recycle.
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Apr 9, 2021 06:44
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Arcsquad12 posted:It's happening, albeit slowly. The Warhammer: Crime novel, "Bloodlines", has a really good moment like this, but I can't say more without spoiling it. Highly recommended if you like stories about normal people trying to make a living in the W40K universe.
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Apr 9, 2021 07:16
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The changes to the Tau are probably by far my most hated thing 40K had/has done in a long time, making the actually cool guys who were mainly out to like confederate and bolster other xeno races having problems with imperium and otherwise aggression and turning them and that into OOOHHHHH SCAAAWY BIG BWOTHERRRRRR BWAINWASHERSSSSSS can suck my entire rear end, the lamest hack grimdark injection. Also bring back the Squats GW you cowards.
Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 08:55
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40k is a bad setting in general, fight me.
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Apr 9, 2021 08:59
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Sydin posted:40k is a bad setting in general, fight me. 40K is a cool setting, often written badly is all. You can do a lot with it, it's just that a ton of the time all GW wants to do is jerk off space marines and hire writers who boring up existing cool things with more samey grimderp. Warham Fantasy is better though, always has been, always will be. 
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Apr 9, 2021 09:03
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Yardbomb posted:40K is a cool setting, often written badly is all. You can do a lot with it, it's just that a ton of the time all GW wants to do is jerk off space marines and hire writers who boring up existing cool things with more samey grimderp. It's better right up until the end times  "samey grimderp" is very much the criticism I'd level at 40k though because as a setting and a narrative they, and their fanbase, are kind of just in a plce where nothing can ever really change. Or at least it feels that way. Even when they do work up the nerve to do something big and kill off fancy named characters (or at least have them vanish) they tend to be replaced by slightly less fancy and slightly smaller guys who basically do the same thing they did. Chaos can't ever be beaten forever and the only time they'll ever have a really meaningful win is when/if games workshop decides to retire the setting like they did with Fantasy. So everyone just kind of exists in a vague state of here or there so they can keep selling the models, because if they kill off too many people in too clear a way then they can't really justify selling those models to people who don't want to play a canonically dead faction anymore. But if every character who didn't just have a book written about them is just drifting somewhere in the warp until that next book comes out, well boy howdy it's time to make bank.
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Apr 9, 2021 10:00
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Nuebot posted:It's better right up until the end times I hate it because End Times had some cool ideas, they just shouldn't have actually had Mannlet gently caress it all up at the last second. Though at least they hit the reverse pretty good since, WFRP and all that is back and stuff.
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Apr 9, 2021 10:45
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Re: Polanski, the apologism is even worse in Poland. A while ago a film school that Polanski is an absolvent of invited him for a meeting, and a lot of students protested. The school director's answer was basically "How dare you believe in these old and false accusations, this place is free from politics, what do you know about true art anyway, you stupid stupid brats" (I may be misremembering something, but I'm pretty sure that was the sentiment). Or you get film news websites or critics asking if "Hollywood is finally ready to forgive Polanski" whenever his movies come out, as if that was the problem (although tbf, I've seen these sorts of headlines concerning other directors, like Mel Gibson for example) or calling him enfant terrible. It's the same thing with John Paul II, lol. Like, some people here get freaking rabid whenever you mention that some "great Poles" maybe weren't the greatest
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Apr 9, 2021 11:09
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macabresca posted:It's the same thing with John Paul II, lol. Like, some people here get freaking rabid whenever you mention that some "great Poles" maybe weren't the greatest Ted Kaczynski, the greatest mail bomber.
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