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Probably a difference between "have you heard of the rape allegations made by Tara Reade against Joe Biden" asked by a pollster in May 2020 and the general public being able to recall Reade's name and the allegations after a year of silence from the media (especially when there's a famous actor with a similar name).
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https://twitter.com/WhiteHouseGPC/status/1377618583354753028 This would be comical if it weren't so depressing. VVVV Jesus christ Lester Shy fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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Lester Shy posted:https://twitter.com/WhiteHouseGPC/status/1377618583354753028 Check the date.
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PeterCat posted:Check the date. Lolling that this is real and they really did that
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PeterCat posted:Check the date. In my timezone it was posted on April 2nd and I was like wow, that was a close oneoooooh nooooo
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Has Cuomo been deposed yet
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Neurolimal posted:Has Cuomo been deposed yet nope, I think the state party has released another 'WORKING HARD, THANK YOU' thing re: investigations a couple days back but he's clearly gonna skate through
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sexpig by night posted:nope, I think the state party has released another 'WORKING HARD, THANK YOU' thing re: investigations a couple days back but he's clearly gonna skate through This is a completely dishonest characterization of events. What you're referencing is the state assembly judiciary committee (not "the party") met to formally start an investigation, hire outside counsel to assist with it, and send Cuomo a formal non-retaliation notice, which are all the first steps to an impeachment. https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/03/23/cuomo-impeachment-investigation-to-take-months-rather-than-weeks-1369225 The NYS AG also has launched an investigation and has been sending out subpoenas to Cuomo's aides. https://www.longislandpress.com/2021/03/28/aides-to-cuomo-subpoenaed-in-sexual-harassment-probe-wsj/
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Jarmak posted:This is a completely dishonest characterization of events. What you're referencing is the state assembly judiciary committee (not "the party") met to formally start an investigation, hire outside counsel to assist with it, and send Cuomo a formal non-retaliation notice, which are all the first steps to an impeachment. Right, they met last month to say 'yea this is gonna take a few months' because somehow it's a really complex accusation when you just have accusers sitting there in the open willing to talk, which is a great omen
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Cuomo's favorability amongst NY dems was still around 75% before he legalized weed. If toxxes were still a thing I'd bet my account on Cuomo getting a slap on the wrist, assurance that he won't run again (which afaik he already said), but keeping his office because we need a Strong Democrat in there when we Hold Trump Accountable (which also will not happen)
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sexpig by night posted:Right, they met last month to say 'yea this is gonna take a few months' because somehow it's a really complex accusation when you just have accusers sitting there in the open willing to talk, which is a great omen That's not what they met to do, they met to start the process.
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Neurolimal posted:Has Cuomo been deposed yet The Gaetz stuff is probably going to make people forget all about it, or if they do remember it, there will be a lot of folks saying "see? he's not as bad as Gaetz". I'd love to be proven wrong though!
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Cuomo is literally the most powerful politician in the State of New York and - if I am recalling correctly - NY State hasn't impeached a sitting governor in over a hundred years. The legal mechanisms needed to remove him barely exist and is exceedingly difficult but that's NY State Politics  Despite it being difficult he should absolutely be impeached and investigated for potential criminal acts.
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There is no reason for NY Dems (or the Democrats in general) to get rid of Cuomo. Their voters don't care, their donors don't care, their leadership definitely doesn't care, and even the media is done with him. He smashed the legal weed button to get the heat off, and oh hey look over here there's Gaetz! This would be different if they were worried that there might be any consequences, but the media has died down and the voters have shown they don't really give enough of a poo poo. Since Franken they've learned over and over again that as long as you keep your head down this stuff blows over. Biden himself proved that if the voters thought the stakes were high enough -- defeating Trump for Biden and Holding Trump Accountable (lmao) in Cuomo's case -- your voters are just going to ignore this after a few weeks. Even the nursing home scandal is only mentioned by NYPost and Fox any more, and even that is more often than not to distract from Gaetz or any other Trump orbit thing. If you think the Democrats are going to move on this it's because you still, in 2021, maintain the puerile delusion that the Democrats, more than just being the not-Republicans, are somehow The Good Guys, and don't even have a conception of how political power works or what it even is
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Cuomo, isn't even a Democrat at this point. Democrats or specifically "Progressive Democrats" have been trying to get rid of him for over a decade now and finally it might work this time. He's not only toxic to the party but terrible with nearly everything that he does unless it somehow enormously benefits him and voters are starting to see that clearly. If he doesn't get impeached - which may occur - he isn't going to win re-election.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Cuomo, isn't even a Democrat at this point. Democrats or specifically "Progressive Democrats" have been trying to get rid of him for over a decade now and finally it might work this time. He's not only toxic to the party but terrible with nearly everything that he does unless it somehow enormously benefits him and voters are starting to see that clearly. he's a loving democrat darling what are you talking about, he got a loving EMMY for being a democrat darling and giving terrible pressers where he yelled about red zones, people wanted him to blast their back walls out, he's exactly the kind of amoral sociopath with a hard conservative viewpoint that the party loves
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Cuomo, isn't even a Democrat at this point. What? This is a weird read on a guy who has not been expelled from either the state or national party. At this point last year, there was serious talk about drafting him to be the Dem nominee. Lester Shy fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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sexpig by night posted:he's a loving democrat darling what are you talking about, he got a loving EMMY for being a democrat darling and giving terrible pressers where he yelled about red zones, people wanted him to blast their back walls out, he's exactly the kind of amoral sociopath with a hard conservative viewpoint that the party loves He got an award during COVID because the standard back then was merely better than Trump which isn't that hard to do at all and know how to work the press and play people's emotions. Just like Rudy Giuliani did during 9/11 but it turned out he's a corrupt piece of poo poo. I agree, he is a sociopath but he's good at being a sociopath which sucks! Lester Shy posted:What? This is a weird read on a guy who has not been expelled from either the state or national party. At this point last year, there was serious talk about drafting him to be the Dem nominee. What do you want me to say here? He's the most powerful politician in the whole State of New York and other people are terrified of confronting him because he's a loving vengeful rear end in a top hat. No one ever said politics was easy.
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Yes, he's a weird, abusive rear end in a top hat who sucks to work with and be governed by, but he's still a Democrat. You can't no-true-scotsman him out of the party.
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he's also not good at being a sociopath, he's good at riding his racist, homophobic, father's name to wealth and power
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The things he supports and does aren't even at all a part of the parties platform. He should be expelled from the party and he does not live up to it's values. That's why you have so many Democrats asking for his resignation. Meet the New Cuomo. Same as the Old Cuomo.
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sexpig by night posted:he's also not good at being a sociopath, he's good at riding his racist, homophobic, father's name to wealth and power That's a different take but I agree. In my view he's kind of like political royalty which is also gross.
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We're not even a year past the birth of "Cuomosexual", Democrats and their voters fuckin love the guy, even after the sex pest poo poo and the nursing homes. The only people who have been working to get him out are the same "crank fringe" that wanted Bernie to win, and we all see what the Democrats did with that whole affair. The Democrats love Cuomo for many of the same reasons the Republicans love Trump, and like Trump supporters they're going to move heaven and earth so their guy doesn't really ever face any consequences for his misdeeds. This isn't a wild prediction, this happens all the time. The only time they ever get anyone on anything is when whatever they did is so outrageous and disgusting and obvious it pierces the team-political shell.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:The things he supports and does aren't even at all a part of the parties platform. He should be expelled from the party and he does not live up to it's values. That's why you have so many Democrats asking for his resignation. Maybe he isn't being expelled from the party because its values aren't what you thought they were
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:We're not even a year past the birth of "Cuomosexual", Democrats and their voters fuckin love the guy, even after the sex pest poo poo and the nursing homes. The only people who have been working to get him out are the same "crank fringe" that wanted Bernie to win, and we all see what the Democrats did with that whole affair. The Democrats love Cuomo for many of the same reasons the Republicans love Trump, and like Trump supporters they're going to move heaven and earth so their guy doesn't really ever face any consequences for his misdeeds. Can you post anything to back up these flaming hot takes? The NY State assembly is working through impeachment proceedings, and claiming on the "crank fringe" is trying to get him out is just a bald-faced lie. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/everyone-calling-for-cuomo-resign.html Cuomo is playing the Rudy/9-11 role to the T. He was largely hated in New York before COVID, become popular because he didn't jump on every rake he could find during a crisis, and now everyone is remembering that he's a dirtbag. Outside of his rally round the flag period last year Democrats have never particularly liked him, nevermind "love the guy", he's a product of state machine politics. Talking about his approval you are again, as far as I can tell, just making things up: https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/new-york-state-poll-governor-cuomo-struggling-amid-controversies
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Has there actually ever been a democrat in the last 50 years who has been officially expelled from the party? Is that even a thing that exists as a mechanism in even states with closed primaries? I web searched it a bit and didn't come up with any hits at all. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Jarmak posted:Talking about his approval you are again, as far as I can tell, just making things up Cuomo polls poorly nationally, amongst everyone, but is still above 50% in New York, and at 75% with NY Dems (which is the thing that matters here) as of Mar. 22, which is before the legal weed stuff. This is exactly what I said, and -- I'll point out also -- your Emerson data is from Mar 1-2 and only mentions Democrats in as much that it says most don't think he should serve another term, which is again not what we're talking about here. I know you're slamming on that google search bar as hard and as fast as you can so you don't get Owned Online but please take the time to read the things you link to and at least acknowledge that this is the Democrats' guy here. Just months ago everyone was tripping over themselves to open a lane for him to make a presidential run after Joe/Kamala. e: https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/25/cuomo-schumer-gillibrand-approval-rating/ I apologize, I thought I had edited that in posts ago but never actually hit the button Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Cuomo polls poorly nationally, amongst everyone, but is still above 50% in New York, and at 75% with NY Dems (which is the thing that matters here) as of Mar. 22, which is before the legal weed stuff. This is exactly what I said, and -- I'll point out also -- your Emerson data is from Mar 1-2 and only mentions Democrats in as much that it says most don't think he should serve another term, which is again not what we're talking about here. quote:The latest Emerson College/WPIX-TV/NewsNation poll of New York voters finds Governor Andrew Cuomo in a precarious position, with his job approval underwater at 38% approval/48% disapproval. His approval is lowest among those 18-34 (22% approval) and those who are white (26% approval) and highest among Black/African-Americans (62% approval) and those living in NYC (53% approval). Women approve of Cuomo at a higher rate (43% approval/40% disapproval) than men (56% disapproval to 33% approval). Who is it that you think lives in New York? There's not exactly a wealth of high-quality polling for state governor approval ratings; Emmerson was the best source I could find. You still have yet to source anything you've claimed despite being asked. Especially when you've already been completely making stuff up like "only the cranks are trying to get him out" when a majority of the New York congressional delegation has called on him to resign. Trump could barely break 38% approval while he was actively killing the country, those are terrible numbers in New York.
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I think there's also a huge difference between saying "this person should resign" and actually pulling the trigger on impeachment proceedings. Saying that Cuomo should resign is currently popular and the in thing and it costs zero political capital and is in no way a danger to anyone saying it at this point. Until anyone actually rolls impeachment proceedings im going to assume nothing happens to Cuomo at all.
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silicone thrills posted:I think there's also a huge difference between saying "this person should resign" and actually pulling the trigger on impeachment proceedings. They have done that already https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/nyregion/cuomo-resign-sexual-harassment.html
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That's an inquiry. Its not proceedings. We all know exactly why studies, inquires, investigations all get thrown out there. It's so you can wait long enough for the topic to die off. https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-123-how-liberal-meta-demands-for-investigations-and-studies-are-used-to-silence-activists That inquiry started nearly a month ago and there's been no movement. Sounds like its right on track.
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I posted the source, but he's likely not going to run again and NY Republican voters aren't going to vote for him. The latest polling I could find doesn't include the weed legislation (which is going to give him a bump, which is why he did it). 75% is down from the ~87% he had before any of this broke but it'll be up again soon enough as this stuff fades out and weed is factored in. Why would they do anything to risk the NY Dem machine that has been humming along perfectly happily for so long now? To appease Republicans? Why? So a bunch of people wrote their names down so they can go on record as tut-tutting that naughty Cuomo. Oh they made a task force to assess the viability of creating a focus team to determine if they should form a committee to discuss removing Cuomo. What's that? The first time committee is going to meet in November 22? Ah well, nevertheless... anyway, to reiterate in case you didn't see my edit or something. https://morningconsult.com/2021/03/25/cuomo-schumer-gillibrand-approval-rating/ Morning Consult as of 3/22 posted:Like many other governors, Cuomo began the year riding the wave of a pandemic boost that elevated his job approval rating to 73 percent by the beginning of last summer. While that bump had begun to subside by January, he was nonetheless the most popular statewide official – particularly among Democratic voters.
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silicone thrills posted:That's an inquiry. Its not proceedings. We all know exactly why studies, inquires, investigations all get thrown out there. It's so you can wait long enough for the topic to die off. An inquiry is part of impeachment proceedings, it's literally the first formal step. Pentecoastal Elites posted:I posted the source, but he's likely not going to run again and NY Republican voters aren't going to vote for him. The latest polling I could find doesn't include the weed legislation (which is going to give him a bump, which is why he did it). 75% is down from the ~87% he had before any of this broke but it'll be up again soon enough as this stuff fades out and weed is factored in. I didn't see your source because you edited it in after I replied. You're right, those are much better then they were, but they're still abysmal numbers for a democrat in New York who had 73% approval less than 6 months ago. You can't just hand-waive away the majority of the congressional delegation, including both senators, calling for his resignation. Or the formal opening of an impeachment inquiry. Or the Democratic AGs office opening a criminal investigation and issuing subpoenas. On the other hand in the pro-Cuomo evidence camp one poll that has terrible but not catastrophic numbers, and your hot takes. You're just moving the goalposts in circles.
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I don't think "the democratic party of NY isn't going to actually punish a sexual harasser" is much of a hot take considering - history - of the party and sexual harassers.
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Let's make it easy, when was the last time any party actively punished a serial sex criminal? Frankin right? I mean actual punishment and not just 'okay you're not allowed to run again and we're wagging our fingers very hard at you sir!'
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Jarmak posted:You can't just hand-waive away the majority of the congressional delegation, including both senators, calling for his resignation. Or the formal opening of an impeachment inquiry. Or the Democratic AGs office opening a criminal investigation and issuing subpoenas. On the other hand in the pro-Cuomo evidence camp one poll that has terrible but not catastrophic numbers, and your hot takes. You're just moving the goalposts in circles. I am not moving the goalposts anywhere! My position has been exactly the same as it has been since the very first post I made here: nothing is going to happen to Cuomo other than, at worst, a slap on the wrist. He's not going to run again anyway, by his own admission. He may have bad numbers nationally, but that doesn't matter. New Yorkers still like him (probably love him again, now) and New Yorkers are the people that matter here and (this is the important part!) they don't blame the Democratic Party for Cuomo -- or anything else! Not even New York Democrats (Schumer and Gillibrand's approval has increased). You've been saying what other Dems have been saying and the precise reason why everyone is writing their names on the "Cuomo is a naughty boy list": to prove that they're Doing Their Best. But, there's no reason the Democrats have to actually rock the boat and carry through any of this. They sing the song and do the dance so they can be seen as doing something, which assuages people like you who are like pathologically required to defend them and lets everyone else forget about it. Nothing bad happens to anyone in power. Nobody (important) loses their jobs. Ultimately not enough people (in New York) care, or will continue to care, and Cuomo will never be held to account for any of this. This isn't a "hand wave". This is the playbook that has been used for decades on both sides of the aisle.
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe he isn't being expelled from the party because its values aren't what you thought they were This bears emphasis. Don't look at what they claim they believe in, nor in what they say they will do. Look at what they actually get done and you'll understand what they actually value. Jarmak posted:You can't just hand-waive away the majority of the congressional delegation, including both senators, calling for his resignation. Or the formal opening of an impeachment inquiry. Or the Democratic AGs office opening a criminal investigation and issuing subpoenas. On the other hand in the pro-Cuomo evidence camp one poll that has terrible but not catastrophic numbers, and your hot takes. You're just moving the goalposts in circles. Sure you can. If they actually wanted to force the issue, they could halt the government until it was finished. Literally, everyone saying "I'm calling for his resignation in the most strenuous terms possible" should be saying "and I will vote NO on everything that comes before me until then." They're not doing that second part, which makes the first part a smokescreen. John_A_Tallon fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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John_A_Tallon posted:Sure you can. If they actually wanted to force the issue, they could halt the government until it was finished. Literally, everyone saying "I'm calling for his resignation in the most strenuous terms possible" should be saying "and I will vote NO on everything that comes before me until then." And we could technically stop emitting fossil fuels tomorrow and only hit 1.3C of Global Warming but it's not going to happen. There is not a legal mechanism for NY State to simply remove Cuomo because they feel like and simply shutting down government would also be catastrophic. It's not like he or others wouldn't be able to spin it as cancel culture just as conservative do.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:And we could technically stop emitting fossil fuels tomorrow and only hit 1.3C of Global Warming but it's not going to happen. There is not a legal mechanism for NY State to simply remove Cuomo because they feel like and simply shutting down government would also be catastrophic. It's not like he or others wouldn't be able to spin it as cancel culture just as conservative do. That's right, because those goals are not things that the democrats actually value. Climate change isn't important to them, nor are working environments that are safe from sex pests like Cuomo. They're not willing to actually advance those goals in tangible ways, so it's manifest that those goals are not only not a priority, but given how they speak about them are actually used to distract their constituents from what the real DNC agenda is.
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