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poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it can be a rough guide for individuals

is your bmi high? simply look at yourself: are you an athlete? no? then it probably means you're unhealthy. yes? you're probably fine

just because lebron james is healthy at a high bmi doesn't mean you are lmao

Is it even healthy to be a huge muscle beast? I thought the healthy body type we're all supposed to have and which cavemen had is marathon runner guy.

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papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
how's high can my fever be after second pfizer and what is im taking for tylenol is advil

Mr. Pizza
Oct 5, 2009


open up

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

papa horny michael posted:

how's high can my fever be after second pfizer and what is im taking for tylenol is advil

How high is your fever rn

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

SchnorkIes posted:

Is it even healthy to be a huge muscle beast? I thought the healthy body type we're all supposed to have and which cavemen had is marathon runner guy.

No its terrible for your heart and like the main cause of death for body builders and people who are 8 feet tall is heart faliure. Your heart has to support all of your tissue and it doesn't matter if its muscle or fat. The work that the heart does grows cubically x^3 as you get larger and eventually you get Randy Savage. NFL players have a life expectancy of like 50.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

SchnorkIes posted:

Is it even healthy to be a huge muscle beast? I thought the healthy body type we're all supposed to have and which cavemen had is marathon runner guy.

Venus of Willendorf indicates that fatness wasn't unknown to late stone age humans.

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!

brugroffil posted:

I don't have a personal fight in the BMI thing since I'm tall and skinny but it really is a dumb measurement outside of a narrow range. This man is slightly overweight based on BMI:


this man is even more overweight!


It's not a dumb measurement, it's a population measurement. So yeah, it means gently caress all for an individual and shouldn't be used the way most people use it, but that's not BMI's fault. It's still a problem if the BMI of 300 million people averages like 32 or whatever.

It's pretty much analogous to how a 1% kill rate for COVID is super bad for the population as a whole but not a huge risk for any given individual

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

bmi is for populations, not individuals

hth

so is vaccine efficacy. even so, higher BMI's are pretty strongly correlated with lower quality of life, worse health outcomes, and lower life spans. it's a proxy measurement that's imperfect, but it is useful.

SchnorkIes posted:

Is it even healthy to be a huge muscle beast? I thought the healthy body type we're all supposed to have and which cavemen had is marathon runner guy.

people with very high muscle mass face some of the same heart problems people with very high fat mass do. health is a really nebulous concept. is it a measure of incidence free lifespan? or is it a measure of current capability? on average, relatively skinny people tend to live longer and have less negative health outcomes.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
102 but in mouth

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

SKULL.GIF posted:

beloved liberal institution ProPublica brags about forcing schools to stay open

notice how the preview image prominently features people who are not white

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1380264883170766863

Schools keep closing because kids keep getting sick? Easy solution: don't let schools close!

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


SchnorkIes posted:

Is it even healthy to be a huge muscle beast? I thought the healthy body type we're all supposed to have and which cavemen had is marathon runner guy.

probably

but the point is elite nba athletes, to continue the example, are freaks of nature and don't apply to whether or not you're healthy at the same bmi

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Admiral Ray posted:

so is vaccine efficacy. even so, higher BMI's are pretty strongly correlated with lower quality of life, worse health outcomes, and lower life spans. it's a proxy measurement that's imperfect, but it is useful.
yes

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it can be a rough guide for individuals

is your bmi high? simply look at yourself: are you an athlete? no? then it probably means you're unhealthy. yes? you're probably fine

just because lebron james is healthy at a high bmi doesn't mean you are lmao

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 19 hours!

Forseti posted:

It's not a dumb measurement, it's a population measurement. So yeah, it means gently caress all for an individual and shouldn't be used the way most people use it, but that's not BMI's fault. It's still a problem if the BMI of 300 million people averages like 32 or whatever.

It's pretty much analogous to how a 1% kill rate for COVID is super bad for the population as a whole but not a huge risk for any given individual

But what if they are all professional athletes, smart guy???

e:

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

probably

but the point is elite nba athletes, to continue the example, are freaks of nature and don't apply to whether or not you're healthy at the same bmi


the first guy I posted is Derrick Rose, who's 6'2" and 200lbs. He's not some enormously tall guy or some huge muscle freak like The Rock. He's strong but not excessively so, and he was a good basketball player because of insane athleticism rather than size. Tennis Pros are also generally borderline "overweight" because they're fit and muscular but not powerlifter/bodybuilder sized.

Anyway yeah maybe BMI is fine for populations but for individuals it's not that great.

brugroffil has issued a correction as of 15:50 on Apr 9, 2021

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

yah i just wanted to preach to the choir, tbh

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


*eats 3 burgers every day for 20 years*

*picks up barbell for a month*

ah, i am now an athlete, therefore,

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/PageSix/status/1380532606782029824?s=20

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

papa horny michael posted:

102 but in mouth

I think tylenol is theoretically better but it probably doesn't matter much and people took whatever they wanted after second dose in trials

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Im a professional posting athlete and I'm at the pinnacle of health hth

turd in my singlet
Jul 5, 2008

DO ALL DA WORK

WIT YA NECK

*heavy metal music playing*
Nap Ghost
Since we're having this derail, the people I listen to on this sort of thing are the doctors at Barbell Medicine, who recommend using a combination of BMI and waist circumference to evaluate risk from excess body fat

https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/how-to-measure-your-waist-correctly/

Tldr BMI >30 ("obese") is definitely a risk factor for heart disease and diabetes, BMI 25-30 ("overweight") depends on waist circumference since being muscular can put you in that range

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


just like waking up every day

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Bmi doesn't work for me because of my massive hog

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

This thread is the goddamn funniest thing every time I check in.

poll plane variant
Jan 12, 2021

by sebmojo

MadJackal posted:

This thread is the goddamn funniest thing every time I check in.

I mean idk what's wrong with saying it's not healthy to carry around an extra 300lb of anything there doc

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Crazypoops posted:

Bmi doesn't work for me because of my massive hog

Put the pig down and measure your weight again.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

MadJackal posted:

This thread is the goddamn funniest thing every time I check in.

this is functionally indistinct from ArfJason coming into a thread and posting "CSPAM having a normal one again lmao"

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

gradenko_2000 posted:

this is functionally indistinct from ArfJason coming into a thread and posting "CSPAM having a normal one again lmao"

ArfJason's effort to trolling ratio is incredible, though.

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate
lol whitmer just asking pretty please to stop high school in person and sports. lmao

we're not going to get even 60% vaccination rate here, I hope i'm wrong

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

MadJackal posted:

This thread is the goddamn funniest thing every time I check in.

you sure you weren't reading your patients' charts?

Jigsaw
Aug 14, 2008
just got juiced (moderna 1). feeling slutty

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Someone talked about menstruation as it relates to getting vaccinated:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/9/22374523/covid-vaccine-period-heavy-survey posted:

One side effect of the COVID-19 vaccine could be a heavier period
A newly launched survey is trying to find out

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Pingui posted:

Put the pig down and measure your weight again.

Never

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




papa horny michael posted:

102 but in mouth

this is a v dangerous bmi

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Is this you?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/HeatherCherone/status/1380275223069663243?s=20

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
dying for the white sox of all teams

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

brugroffil posted:

I don't have a personal fight in the BMI thing since I'm tall and skinny but it really is a dumb measurement outside of a narrow range. This man is slightly overweight based on BMI:


this man is even more overweight!


Two things are true: BMI is a terrible guage at an individual level and also that BMI is correct for any individual that claims it isn't a good indicator for them, specifically.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

papa horny michael posted:

102 but in mouth

At the same time?

inferis
Dec 30, 2003

the people who say bmi is useless probably also would be mad if we used body fat % which is roughly what bmi tries to estimate

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Pingui posted:

Venus of Willendorf indicates that fatness wasn't unknown to late stone age humans.

Maybe it only existed in the mind of a paleolithic pornmeister?

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Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!

Thoguh posted:

Two things are true: BMI is a terrible guage at an individual level and also that BMI is correct for any individual that claims it isn't a good indicator for them, specifically.

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have implied it's worthless at the individual level, it's more of a quick n' dirty check for "should have their weight situation given closer scrutiny" but isn't a definitive measure on its own

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