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I don't even think Warren liberals who want to expand the court are dumb enough to think that anything will come of this stupid commission.
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they've already successfully memory-holed the existence of labor rights in america; they're absolutely going to build on that foundation to memory-hole literally every administration before Trump Obama sucked but at least we weren't trying to rules-lawyer what infrastructure was in order to claim that something, anything, was happening
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oh also they're going to memory-hole every detail about the Trump administration except that it was a time when the most despondent anxiety-ridden op-eds in history were being written, I guess
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Liberals like to do commissions to drag out processes, and then never do anything. It's particularly funny when it's something like "What would happen if we expand the court?" which has been discussed by people for decades, and already has mounds of analysis you can consult.
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Apr 9, 2021 17:04
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Remember when Obama and Holder had that commission on police violence after Ferguson and the result was "yeah we guess there is some racism but we can't do anything as the Federal Government about it so  "
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Apr 9, 2021 17:05
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mcmagic posted:I don't even think Warren liberals who want to expand the court are dumb enough to think that anything will come of this stupid commission. They are exactly this dumb
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sure, Joe Biden might be starting a world war with China, but during the Trump administration I was getting paid $200 per word to write about how afraid I was that our most treasured norms were being eroded for Comfortable White People Monthly. This is what progress looks like, people
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It's also funny when liberals vehemently refuse to listen to scientific panels, while saying "trust the science!", when it concerns climate change. Weird how you should let Experts endlessly share their Expertise, but if it interrupts capital, that advice is ignored.
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there was an episode of citations needed where they have a bunch of examples of how "we're doing a commission" is used to just kill ideas without having to say "we're not going to do that lol"
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Eggplant Squire posted:Remember when Obama and Holder had that commission on police violence after Ferguson and the result was "yeah we guess there is some racism but we can't do anything as the Federal Government about it so even if that's true (it isn't), it's cool that the Obama/Biden wing refuses to use informal, soft power to push states to do things this might be a bad country
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spacemang_spliff posted:there was an episode of citations needed where they have a bunch of examples of how "we're doing a commission" is used to just kill ideas without having to say "we're not going to do that lol" that was really good, and clearly explained why the commission stuff is bullshit 99% of the time. people should listen if they haven't.
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Nichael posted:even if that's true (it isn't), it's cool that the Obama/Biden wing refuses to use informal, soft power to push states to do things Yeah that was a real what the gently caress moment for me.
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Eggplant Squire posted:Remember when Obama and Holder had that commission on police violence after Ferguson and the result was "yeah we guess there is some racism but we can't do anything as the Federal Government about it so I don’t know if this was the same thing but there were some sort of restrictions on portland police out of that but we saw how well they worked out last year.
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theoretically, you could have a sitting president tell someone like Manchin that they will personally campaign for a primary if they don't get on board, or tell a state that you'll continually use your platform to humiliate their government if they don't stop murdering black people. but that would break  and that is more important than black people living
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loquacius posted:Obama sucked but at least we weren't trying to rules-lawyer what infrastructure was in order to claim that something, anything, was happening i mean ARPA was a joke, wholly inadequate to the scale of the recession and already accumulated deficit of infrastructure investment, and definitely was surrounded by a lot of rules lawyering about infra was but it seems like the WPA compared to this poo poo
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Nichael posted:It's also funny when liberals vehemently refuse to listen to scientific panels, while saying "trust the science!", when it concerns climate change. Weird how you should let Experts endlessly share their Expertise, but if it interrupts capital, that advice is ignored. Trust the science that climate change exists, because doing so makes you better and smarter than those loving rednecks who didn't even go to loving college. Why else would you listen to them? To take their advice on public policy? Uh, ok, the experts on that work in the White House, thank you very much 
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the thing that annoys me is how like "trust science" has become like a moral stance. science isn't moral or amoral and can (and has) be used to justify all kinds of atrocities like if you just go with "we can eliminate a disease during pregnancy" is good but then it gets to eugenicist arguments pretty quickly and we know where that poo poo leads learning how to split an atom led to nuclear weapons I'm not totally sure how to write out what I mean but like you can't really say you always trust science because sometimes science leads to bad poo poo (it's part of why I think also that all STEM majors should have to take a bunch of humanities classes)
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inferis posted:I don’t know if this was the same thing but there were some sort of restrictions on portland police out of that but we saw how well they worked out last year. Yeah anything they got out of that study clearly was less than helpful.
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plus like science is a process. it's not a god. Murray was "doing science" or whatever when he came up with his whole bell curve thing. it was flawed but just trusting what he said because he did math based phrenology is a terrible idea
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spacemang_spliff posted:the thing that annoys me is how like "trust science" has become like a moral stance. science isn't moral or amoral and can (and has) be used to justify all kinds of atrocities While this is true, my main problem with it is that it's an aesthetic affectation rather than a real conviction, which is why people with signs that say "IN THIS HOUSE WE BELIEVE IN SCIENCE" don't actually want to do anything that might harm the economy to halt climate change it's a meritocracy thing, all you're doing is making sure everybody knows you're very smart and very educated and deserve a better life than they do
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like they're not even being amoral mad scientists, they're just trying to make sure everybody knows they went to college
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spacemang_spliff posted:the thing that annoys me is how like "trust science" has become like a moral stance. science isn't moral or amoral and can (and has) be used to justify all kinds of atrocities trust science when it advocates doing good things, like fixing the environment
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Nichael posted:but that would break For Liberals, the means justifies the ends. Millions dying in agony? That's ok. We followed all of the rules of debate and decorum to get here.
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spacemang_spliff posted:there was an episode of citations needed where they have a bunch of examples of how "we're doing a commission" is used to just kill ideas without having to say "we're not going to do that lol" No, its boring but radical change that forms the essential first step towards making a plan to hold a meeting to structure the campaign to draft a memo to form a focus group to craft the message that we might consider doing something when time allows at an unspecified future date provided we have funding and a full consensus from all key stake holders.
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the bessemer vote thing sucks. i mean, of course it failed, but still not a lot of things to be hopeful about in american politics these days
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"Trust/believe science" is a catchphrase that has nothing to do with actual science. Science needs to be understood, not "believed in". What they mean is "trust our appointed Experts who will tell you what to think", which libs lap up since they're authoritarian bootlickers
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RaySmuckles posted:
have you seen the biden dogs though???
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loquacius posted:While this is true, my main problem with it is that it's an aesthetic affectation rather than a real conviction, which is why people with signs that say "IN THIS HOUSE WE BELIEVE IN SCIENCE" don't actually want to do anything that might harm the economy to halt climate change yeah that's also true There was recent episode of Chapo with Thomas Frank, he mentions where he grew up, Johnson County KS. Joco is really affluent (especially the neighborhood where he's from where the median family income is $200k/yr) and he said when he goes home he sees a ton of those signs. And yeah I live in Joco as well (not in Frank's old neighborhood tho) and he's right that those signs are all over the place. But those people with those signs all voted for Bush and McCain and Romney etc. Trusting science would mean they can't actually have 2 luxury SUVs lol
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turd in my singlet posted:"Trust/believe science" is a catchphrase that has nothing to do with actual science. Science needs to be understood, not "believed in". What they mean is "trust our appointed Experts who will tell you what to think", which libs lap up since they're authoritarian bootlickers yeah I've always thought that "believe in" was bad phrasing but Ive just kind of accepted it. you either accept evidence or you don't. like I don't "believe in" the theory of evolution, I just accept that it's the best explanation for biodiversity
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I'm too lazy to write more, but "I believe in Science!" is religion for technocrats.
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folks we need a Communist version of the signs (that do not contain the word "communism" or "socialism" or whatnot)
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:folks we need a Communist version of the signs (that do not contain the word "communism" or "socialism" or whatnot) In this house we trust tankies
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i believe in the immortal science
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this house believes in REeducation
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Organ Fiend posted:I'm too lazy to write more, but "I believe in Science!" is religion for technocrats. it's part of a broader faith of liberalism, wherein one of the tenets is aesthetics, and the idea of visually "showing support" for good things, while doing nothing to make them happen
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:Lol if you think that's his natural penis what, did he steal a dick off someone
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spacemang_spliff posted:there was an episode of citations needed where they have a bunch of examples of how "we're doing a commission" is used to just kill ideas without having to say "we're not going to do that lol" the fact that appointing a committee is just a way of not doing something when you don't want to admit that you're not doing something is so well understood that there were yes minister scenes poking fun at the concept some thirty years ago
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Organ Fiend posted:I'm too lazy to write more, but "I believe in Science!" is religion for technocrats. It translates pretty directly into 'I have faith in the tech priests', although the tech priests in question aren't actual scientists, they're think tank consultants
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:folks we need a Communist version of the signs (that do not contain the word "communism" or "socialism" or whatnot) spacemang_spliff posted:In this house we trust tankies This, in sign format:         
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doing a commission sounds like a great way to not do something while doling out sinecures for the people you would have to hire if you did do something
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