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more falafel please posted:Victor Caratini went 13 starts between no-hitters Johnny Vander Meer pitched back to back no hitters
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Help me out with something here. Having a brain fart, can't seem to find the answer on google, or else maybe I'm just wrong. There is a former MLB pitcher who has a son who is currently pitching in MLB himself, isn't there?
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Apr 10, 2021 05:14
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@WHYGAVS and some of the other big pirate fan accounts are melting down about the Musgrove no-hitter, that is insane to me. Musgrove is a great pitcher who was traded to an excellent team because they are competing and the Pirates are not this year. It's no surprise at all that he dominated a weak lineup with an excellent defense behind him. I really enjoyed watching him and wish I had watched the whole game instead of just the last couple innings. People really have to relax.
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MrMojok posted:Help me out with something here. Having a brain fart, can't seem to find the answer on google, or else maybe I'm just wrong.
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more falafel please posted:Victor Caratini went 13 starts between no-hitters Cubs traded him and Yu Darvish for what? I really think Caratini is undervalued.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Lance McCullers? Oh wow! I didn't even know his dad pitched. Which is bizarre because I see his dad pitched back when I first became a huge baseball nut. I looked in my fantasy draft because I felt sure someone took this guy, and it was Zach Plesac I was thinking of.
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When I first went to Detroit, I saw Verlander take a no-hitter into the 8th inning in his godlike 2011 season where it seemed like he went for a two month stretch where every start seemed to be close to a no-hitter. Atmosphere from the 6th inning on was amazing, lord knows what it would have been like if he'd made it to the 9th
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Apr 10, 2021 10:27
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It's surprisingly hard to get simple answers sometimes! So ERA+/OPS+ is normalized to an 'average' player, right? So 100 would be a league-average player? What is an 'average player' worth in WAR? What does a 0 WAR (aka replacement-level) player OPS+/ERA+? Is it necessarily recalculated year-to-year? Said simply, what is the difference between Average and Replacement-level, as a slash line and as OPS+/ERA+?
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Shrecknet posted:It's surprisingly hard to get simple answers sometimes!
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Apr 10, 2021 15:33
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Selfish fucks. https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1380892576618852356?s=20
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Apr 10, 2021 15:40
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So OK. The Townsville Towns give 500 ABs to Rick and 500 ABs to Tony. Tony puts up a 100 OPS+ season. Rick puts up a 0.0 WAR season. What do Rick and Tony's slash lines look like in 2020? Is Tony a 2 WAR player? What is Rick's OPS+?
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Shrecknet posted:So OK. The Townsville Towns give 500 ABs to Rick and 500 ABs to Tony. Tony puts up a 100 OPS+ season. Rick puts up a 0.0 WAR season. You can't really tell because the average shifts from year to year and also there's lots of ways to get to either a 0.0 WAR season (even excluding defensive contributions) or a 100+ OPS one, all you could really surmise from that is that Tony is likely a better hitter than Rick (though even still you'd have to take their positions into account).
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League average OPS (100 OPS+) is typically around .750, with a slash of something vaguely like .250/.325/.425. It's much harder to say aaasf darSfffda what a 0 WAR slash line would look like, because it also includes defense and depends on position, but yeah. The idea behind replacement level is that it's the level of player that you can have on your roster tomorrow without giving up significant cash or trade pieces. He's at AAA already, he's available on waivers and is making league minimum, he's someone's 26th man and they'll trade him for a PBTNL. If I had to guess what an average 0 WAR player's slash line was I'd go something like .200/.265/.325, so OPS of .590? But again that depends on baserunning, defense and position
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Position matters a lot. You can be a 113 OPS+ season at DH and be below average in oWAR. You can have a 91 OPS+ season as a shortstop and be above average in oWAR.
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Always good to reiterate, imo, that WAR is a model as opposed to a 'stat'
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Apr 10, 2021 18:20
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WAR is classically defined as an Advanced Spreadsheet that you do in a Mother's Basement while ignoring the Will To Win.
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Everybody knows the only two stats that matter are RBI's for hitters and Wins for pitchers. Anything else is just nerd garbage that's ruining the game.
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Cool, Mets start the game with first and third and nobody out, surely they'll get some runs from - CS K K drat if that doesn't sum up their offense so far this season
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Shrecknet posted:So OK. The Townsville Towns give 500 ABs to Rick and 500 ABs to Tony. Tony puts up a 100 OPS+ season. Rick puts up a 0.0 WAR season. i would recommend going to fangraphs and bbref and looking for yourself, you could find real life examples of what you are asking
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Apr 10, 2021 18:33
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They should never have added “defense” into war. It makes it not so good imho. Pitcher war is good
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Apr 10, 2021 18:36
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"Defense is hard to measure so we should ignore it" i absolutely abhor that sentiment
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Apr 10, 2021 18:42
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People take WAR too seriously though. It's not anti-analytics to recognize that it's a very incomplete and context-dependent model of a player's contributions.
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Apr 10, 2021 18:45
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imo Outs Above Average is a really good defensive stat that's come out in recent years.
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MrMojok posted:Oh wow! I didn't even know his dad pitched. Which is bizarre because I see his dad pitched back when I first became a huge baseball nut. He's the nephew of Dan, but you can throw Cal Quantrill on the pile too since his dad Paul pitched back in the 90's. Oh, and then there's the masculine child of Alois Terry "Al" Leiter, he's doing ok this year in college.
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Sydin posted:imo Outs Above Average is a really good defensive stat that's come out in recent years. That's my go-to as well. I especially like looking at the breakdowns of jump & closing speed etc, and you can kinda see if someone's 'value' could improve with better positioning if they're, say, poor going backwards on flyballs I have not grown to fully trust it for infielders but I still like it better than the other metrics out there
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Apr 10, 2021 18:58
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deGrom in 2021: 14 IP, 1 ER, 2 BB, 21K and he's about to be 0-1
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https://twitter.com/slangsonsports/status/1380965185209434113?s=21 The Mets have scored 0 runs today.
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de Grom is obviously weighing the offense down with his hitting. They should get rid of hi m
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the all-time record for WAR in a winless season is some guy called Bill Stearns who went 0-11 for the Washington Nationals in 1872 for a total of 1.4 WAR deGrom is going to beat that record easily e: and Gagné went 2-3 in his CY season, deGrom could beat that for fewest wins for a CY winner Julio Cruz fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Apr 10, 2021 20:55
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if degrom wanted to get more "wins" i would suggest he pitch better to allow his team to win the game.
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Apr 10, 2021 20:57
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https://twitter.com/adamdberry/status/1380989312427245571 Screwball season
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Sucks for Archer, but I'm loving hype to watch Honeywell. Years of him getting derailed by bullshit injuries when I just wanna watch a dude dominate with a screwball. gently caress the Cubs, I know what game I'm watching tomorrow.
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Apr 10, 2021 22:20
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Sydin posted:gently caress the Cubs, 
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Apr 10, 2021 22:28
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DeGrom willingly chose to re-sign with the Mets for some reason That's on him
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it's cause they gave him a hundred million dollars OP
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:DeGrom willingly chose to re-sign with the Mets for some reason Even with the new labor environment at that point does he opts out to seek a long-term deal at similar AAV? e: eh he'd be 34
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If deGrom is still dominating at 34 I could easily see teams lining up to pay him
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:Looked up his contract, $35m this year, same next, his opt-out after '22 or $32.5m in '23 and a team option for one more year at the same. I think the Mets are talking to him about an extension.
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GalacticAcid posted:"Defense is hard to measure so we should ignore it" If the stats are misleading it’s anti knowledge ! You know less !
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a-rod will get to be an owner after all https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1381016148054044673
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