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BrianWilly posted:Ehh, characters break up all the time on TV for badly-written reasons. Fred and Gunn on the outs wasn't even the most egregious case on that show specifically, much less all the even dumber instances of awkward splits across the CW and on other networks. Whedon wasn't focused on Angel when their relationship began.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I mean if you’re going to bag on Whedon for anything relationshipwise it should probably be Xander and Dawn canonically becoming a couple after the finale. I'm sorry what?
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Apr 10, 2021 04:30
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It's in the Whedom helmed official follow up comics.
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Apr 10, 2021 04:48
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Honest to God, I own probably 20 combined trades of Buffy/Angel follow up comics and I never finished a single volume. I might have even sold the Buffy ones a few years ago.
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Apr 10, 2021 05:18
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JT Smiley posted:Honest to God, I own probably 20 combined trades of Buffy/Angel follow up comics and I never finished a single volume. I might have even sold the Buffy ones a few years ago. The angel ones not written by the official writing team were bad fan fiction. But then so were the official ones written by the show staff. And yeah, it was full of creepy poo poo like Xander and Dawn being a secret couple.
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That makes sense. I impulse bought them years ago while re watching the shows and neither series really did anything for me.
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Apr 10, 2021 14:47
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JT Smiley posted:That makes sense. I impulse bought them years ago while re watching the shows and neither series really did anything for me. I read the first "season" of the official book and other than Xander/Dawn all I remember is Angel was the big bad (named Twilight... No points for subtlety there) but then him and Buffy hosed while flying or something and saved the world? Oh and faith was there and being used as the Slayer organization for wet work, which seemed like a big character regression to me. The not-canon angel stuff at least went full on crazy with saying LA was literally teleported to hell at the shows finale, even if they didn't do much interesting with that.
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Apr 10, 2021 14:54
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I thought the Xander/Dawn thing was in the second or third year of the comics? He's dating a slayer trainee who gets killed in season 8. Also Dawn is a giant for the first half of the series.
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Rhyno posted:I thought the Xander/Dawn thing was in the second or third year of the comics? He's dating a slayer trainee who gets killed in season 8. Also Dawn is a giant for the first half of the series. I thought in season 1 there was some stuff with them as well, but I might be conflating that with poo poo I saw later. I kept buying those books way after I stopped reading them cause I loved the show and had the completionist sickness, so I may well have seen it while flipping through a later issue. By the way, I say loved the show cause I tried to watch it with a girlfriend a while back and it does not hold up at all.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:04
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These are all prime examples of why TV shows shouldn't be brought back after their run ends. Not on Netflix not in comic form, nothing. Just let poo poo die.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:05
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JT Smiley posted:These are all prime examples of why TV shows shouldn't be brought back after their run ends. Not on Netflix not in comic form, nothing. Just let poo poo die. I've liked a couple of the reunion things, but there's absolutely been more bad than good at this point. Like even X-Files whiffed it.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:07
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Season 4 of Arrested Development broke my heart.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:17
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JT Smiley posted:Season 4 of Arrested Development broke my heart. Has anyone here watched that re-edit they put out? Is it any better?
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Apr 10, 2021 15:22
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JT Smiley posted:Season 4 of Arrested Development broke my heart. It was so loving bad.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:23
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I don't know if I've seen anybody talk about watching S5 of Arrested Development.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I don't know if I've seen anybody talk about watching S5 of Arrested Development. There was a season five????
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Vince MechMahon posted:I read the first "season" of the official book and other than Xander/Dawn all I remember is Angel was the big bad (named Twilight... No points for subtlety there) but then him and Buffy hosed while flying or something and saved the world? Oh and faith was there and being used as the Slayer organization for wet work, which seemed like a big character regression to me. The Faith stuff is even written by Brian K. Vaughn which proves nobody bats a thousand.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:37
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Vince MechMahon posted:There was a season five???? Netflix buried the hell out of it. I only heard about it cause of the controversy that came out about Jeffery Tambor right while they were trying to promote the season.
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Apr 10, 2021 15:41
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JT Smiley posted:Netflix buried the hell out of it. I only heard about it cause of the controversy that came out about Jeffery Tambor right while they were trying to promote the season. Yeah that's the only reason I know it exists too.
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Dawgstar posted:The Faith stuff is even written by Brian K. Vaughn which proves nobody bats a thousand. They paired her with Giles for some secret mission stuff, iirc. Buffy getting super magic reality warping powers, loving Angel in mid-air, and restoring Magic to the world via The Seed was totally "dude writing about womb-envy and all women need to be Mother-Sluts" thing. Did anyone ever follow up with Fray, the Slayer from the future where Willow is super evil? And I mention this as much as I can, but the reason Dawn is a giant and then a centaur and then whatever is because she was dating a guy in college and then she totally cheated on him cuz women are skanks and whatever Joss's loving hangup is so she got cursed.
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Apr 10, 2021 16:35
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So they just turned Dawn into a random grab bag of fetishes, gotcha.
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Wait was Willow in Fray? I only read the original but don't remember her. I think she showed up in the Buffy comic too, was it in there?
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Apr 10, 2021 16:39
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JT Smiley posted:So they just turned Dawn into a random grab bag of fetishes, gotcha. Let me tell you about this song James Marsters wrote...
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Apr 10, 2021 16:39
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JT Smiley posted:These are all prime examples of why TV shows shouldn't be brought back after their run ends. Not on Netflix not in comic form, nothing. Just let poo poo die. Don't worry, Clone High is coming back and it will break this streak for sure. *Itches at his Futurama avatar and gang tag*
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FilthyImp posted:Did anyone ever follow up with Fray, the Slayer from the future where Willow is super evil? I remember reading an issue of that because at least at the time I liked Fray but Whedon had forgotten how to write her in the intervening years and decided his amazing made up future slang was a substitute for a personality.
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IUG posted:Don't worry, Clone High is coming back and it will break this streak for sure. *Itches at his Futurama avatar and gang tag* Why couldn't you have told me this 17 years ago?
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JT Smiley posted:Why couldn't you have told me this 17 years ago? Secret government flunkies, Took our clones of famous bodies, Put them into high school classes. Now our sexy teens are going, Out to prom and into college, Working, crying, loving, failiiiiing, Taking on huuuuuge debts fooooooorrrr Clone Community High
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Karloff posted:That's a fascinating interview. It's hard to evaluate a writer working in blockbuster films because the end product goes through so many revisions and is touched by so many people that to make a declarative statement about the skills of a writer based entirely on the finished film is difficult. You don't know what edicts they had to stick to and how their script got changed in the process of shooting and editing and this interview provides a rare insight into that process. Chris Terrio has been credited on two films that I consider to have the among the worst writing in a blockbuster film of the last five years; Batman v Superman (and yes, I include the Ultimate Edition which is while better than the theatrical still exemplary of how not to structure character and story) and Rise of Skywalker. Argo's strength is def not in its writing. Its the acting, and the irreverent tone created thru rapid cuts and the type of visual choices made in the movie. Overall its alright. I didnt finish the interview with Terrio, because it just seemed like a way to foist off responsibility, without the usual bursts of fun derails you see in a lot of interviews with screenwriters. I think Terrio does have some responsibility with the bad writing in the Snyder movies, and his other output absolutely doesnt change my mind.
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Also Argo had some pretty offputting takes on Iranians and never really bothered to see their point of view.
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Apr 10, 2021 18:21
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Vince MechMahon posted:If Green Lantern had been a hit we probably would never have gotten any of Snyder's stuff. I would pay money for what the gently caress happened to that movie from the original pitch of it being a Jack Black vehicle mimicking The Mask, to creating prob the least appealing superhero in modern filmmaking
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Shageletic posted:I would pay money for what the gently caress happened to that movie from the original pitch of it being a Jack Black vehicle mimicking The Mask, to creating prob the least appealing superhero in modern filmmaking The MCU's success happened lol. The suits wanted to chase that money.
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Lurdiak posted:The MCU's success happened lol. The suits wanted to chase that money. I think the Jack Black Green Lantern died before the MCU was a thing. That was definitely a "Good on you for being different, but I don't think this is going to work" situation.
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Apr 10, 2021 19:05
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I don't think the Jack Black version sounded good, even compared to what we got. Stuff like him getting the ring cause he was on fear factor is just really cringey.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I don't think the Jack Black version sounded good, even compared to what we got. Stuff like him getting the ring cause he was on fear factor is just really cringey. Yea It had very early 2000s parody movie feel to the pitch I read. It probably would of had a bunch of of that time celeb cameos where GL flies by and does something hilarious to. Then he uses the ring to play Guitar Hero.
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GL seems like a hero you need to play straighter than either Jack Black or Ryan Reynolds, I don’t get the sense that either of them have the discipline one would need to wield the ring. I’d love the constant push for Hal as the leading man to fall by the wayside, let Guy or Kyle or any of the newer Earth lanterns be the star, the ones with personalities.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea It had very early 2000s parody movie feel to the pitch I read. It probably would of had a bunch of of that time celeb cameos where GL flies by and does something hilarious to. Then he uses the ring to play Guitar Hero. What was it about that time period that was so extra self obsessed and self reflective that it had to constantly shove in flash-in-the-pan reality tv cameos for just the cheapest, stankest heat
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SlimGoodbody posted:What was it about that time period that was so extra self obsessed and self reflective that it had to constantly shove in flash-in-the-pan reality tv cameos for just the cheapest, stankest heat If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably because reality shows were still very new at the time (or at least were undergoing a huge boom in popularity)
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Apr 10, 2021 21:00
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The people who own movie studios also own TV studios, or at least have the same investors
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Vince MechMahon posted:I don't think the Jack Black version sounded good, even compared to what we got. Stuff like him getting the ring cause he was on fear factor is just really cringey. It probably wouldn't have been good as an adaptation of the material but it was a very good comedy premise. If so many of the gags weren't directly tied to the Green Lantern's whole thing I could've seen the script beiing recycled into a very fun superhero comedy. 
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Lurdiak posted:It probably wouldn't have been good as an adaptation of the material but it was a very good comedy premise. If so many of the gags weren't directly tied to the Green Lantern's whole thing I could've seen the script beiing recycled into a very fun superhero comedy. That's funny but what I'm really thinking about is how that first one treats the Lantern power like magic. Turning bullets into bubbles is a counter spell. I don't think I've seen GLs change another ring user's constructs like that before.
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