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Nephthys posted:The most selfless heroes in the mcu right now are probably Sam and Bucky tbh. Sarah might disagree.
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live with fruit posted:Sarah might disagree. Sam did literally the thing he said he wasn't going to do on season 1: dropping all his family responsibilities to go play hero at a moment notice. Like, he absolutely didn't need to go chase the flags mashers while Sarah's boat issue was unresolved.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:04
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Thundercracker posted:I love that when they go meet Karli Sam and Bucky change into their superhero outfits. Sam I understand, but does Bucky only feel comfortable fighting in leather? Leather's a lot better at stopping a knife than cotton. Also he possibly doesn't want to mess up his personal wardrobe, or have the embarrassment of getting his shirt sleeve snagged on his artificial arm.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:14
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live with fruit posted:Sarah might disagree. Peter tried to ditch saving the world to go hit on a girl. Sarah didn't even want Sam to help her and choosing to do superhero stuff can hardly be called selfish. He's actively trying to save lives and probably is still going to help her in the future. Also there aren't really that many active heroes right now. The alternative pick would be Antman I guess.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:17
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Peter Parker is like 15, ofc he's gonna think with his dick and not his brain.
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Nephthys posted:Peter tried to ditch saving the world to go hit on a girl. Sarah didn't even want Sam to help her and choosing to do superhero stuff can hardly be called selfish. He's actively trying to save lives and probably is still going to help her in the future. Carol abandoned her whole rear end planet to be a hero. Sam's got nothing on her.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:21
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Ehhhh ‘abandoned her planet’ is kind of a disingenuous way of framing Carol. She is more intertwined with, and responsible for, lives off world than on world at this point. She is literally single handedly responsible for forcing the Kree into detente.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:29
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Captain Oblivious posted:Ehhhh ‘abandoned her planet’ is kind of a disingenuous way of framing Carol. She is more intertwined with, and responsible for, lives off world than on world at this point. She is literally single handedly responsible for forcing the Kree into detente. Monica might disagree.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:34
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live with fruit posted:Carol abandoned her whole rear end planet to be a hero. Sam's got nothing on her. Fair, I totally forgot about her. I was actually thinking more of Bucky though considering how much he's risking his mental health and personal freedom to do the right thing.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:36
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live with fruit posted:Monica might disagree.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:37
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Nephthys posted:Fair, I totally forgot about her. Yes but Bucky's also dealing with major guilt over what he did as Winter Soldier so he does have some personal motivation.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:38
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Thundercracker posted:I love that when they go meet Karli Sam and Bucky change into their superhero outfits. Sam I understand, but does Bucky only feel comfortable fighting in leather? I think it was a mutual decision after Sam's sister and her kids got threatened by Karli. I think that they suited up in their super-clothes in part to send the message to Karli that she's not dealing with Sam Wilson, VA counselor and Bucky. She's dealing with the Falcon and the (ex-)Winter Soldier who will gently caress her and her group up if the people they care about are threatened. Plus Walker was also out their so they wanted to be fully "equipped up" in case poo poo went south again.
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Apr 11, 2021 01:59
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live with fruit posted:Carol abandoned her whole rear end planet to be a hero. Sam's got nothing on her. I think the difference is that Carol didn't say to her family "I'm totally not going to leave. I'm gonna stick around"
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Apr 11, 2021 02:11
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mind the walrus posted:For me it's a 2-way Ahahah I didn't know about that first one
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Apr 11, 2021 02:55
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live with fruit posted:Yes but Bucky's also dealing with major guilt over what he did as Winter Soldier so he does have some personal motivation. You could make the argument that all of comic Peter's heroism and selflessness is driven by guilt. You could make that argument about a lot of heroes most likely, especially if you start substituting guilt for other emotions. If you start analyzing motivation to that degree there are probably no selfless acts at all. tsob fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Apr 11, 2021 03:15
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live with fruit posted:Monica might disagree. She might, but she would be wrong. Emotionally an understandable position, but still wrong.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:00
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Zemo was right. Superheroes believe they have jurisdiction wherever superheroes happen to be. They should all be destroyed.
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Apr 11, 2021 04:37
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Ravel posted:Zemo was right. Superheroes believe they have jurisdiction wherever superheroes happen to be. They should all be destroyed. So does he. He also wears a mask while fighting, and has access to power and resources most never will. Then again, he did try to kill himself last in Civil War, so perhaps he already realizes that hypocrisy. It's also true of the Dora Milaje, the US and probably several other nations and national forces regardless. It's not really so much superpeople or heroes, so much as powerful people in general.
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Apr 11, 2021 05:15
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Banner shouldn't be overlooked in the MCU's selfless, noble hero list. He knew the gauntlet could have killed him and he still used it only to do the most good possible and then never use it again. Funny how that turned out. He's probably got very complicated feelings about how bringing back half the universe played out.
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Apr 11, 2021 06:07
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I still have a hard time believe a bunch of untrained kids would actually last more than 10 seconds in a fight with Bucky, even if they have the serum. A couple other nitpicks: Sam is too smart of a character to walk into an orphanage super loudly "HEY ANY OF YOU KNOW MOMMA DONYA?" Bucky was supposed to be an infiltration expert and is just as obvious. Later Zemo jumps into the sewer and none of the wakandans go after him? Bucky doesn't stop Walker from interrupting Sam's talk with Karli?
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Apr 11, 2021 06:17
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“My faith is in individuals.” Is in Civil War as Caps letter to Tony. I’m right about the credits. It is : Individuals won’t save you. I don’t think the resolution of FATWS is going to pull any punches
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Apr 11, 2021 06:59
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Spite posted:I still have a hard time believe a bunch of untrained kids would actually last more than 10 seconds in a fight with Bucky, even if they have the serum. To be fair, Bucky is clearly holding back. I’m pretty sure he is trying to stick to the spirit of the “Don’t hurt anyone” rule his therapist reiterated before she let him go.
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Apr 11, 2021 07:17
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Spite posted:I still have a hard time believe a bunch of untrained kids would actually last more than 10 seconds in a fight with Bucky, even if they have the serum. Did Steve or Bucky have any actual hand to hand combat skills before they got the serum? Whatever the serum gives you is a substitute for experience. But yeah he was good enough to take on Steve, Black Panther, and Natasha without too much trouble. And we know Black Panther himself can solo the entire Dora Milaje. Bucky is probably pulling his punches considerably.
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Apr 11, 2021 07:18
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Didn't Bucky kinda did stomp everyone he fought though. He threw a ton of knives next to people's head while they were on the ground. If he wanted to kill those kids they would be dead, as I don't think he had trouble with any fight there.
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Apr 11, 2021 07:19
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Ravel posted:Did Steve or Bucky have any actual hand to hand combat skills before they got the serum? Whatever the serum gives you is a substitute for experience. I headcanon that after The Battle of New York, SHIELD spent some time giving Steve training to bring him in line with the 21st Century and he was a prodigy learner both because he's got the Erskine serum, and because he's an intelligent guy overall. Bucky meanwhile likely got years of HYDRA/Soviet brainwashing dumped into his head, similar to whatever Natascha got. I wouldn't be surprised if he has trouble remembering certain details of his pre-HYDRA life, instead knowing a plurality of ways to dismantle all the joints in a target's finger.
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Apr 11, 2021 07:29
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Steve was fighting constantly as a kid! "I'm bleeding, that means I win!"
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Apr 11, 2021 07:39
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There's actually a very, very plausible chance that's how Bucky and him became friends-- Bucky finds a runt who won't stay down and gets through to him. Heartwarming tale, really. Honestly I'm still kind-of mad that there was no room for a First Avenger Pt. 2 because there is an entire movie's worth of dramatic arcs glossed over in Act Three of the movie we got-- Steve learning to be an actual Captain and negotiating with the military, the SSR growing from a bizarre appendage to a key part of the military operations in Europe, Bucky emotionally processing the inversion of his lifelong dynamic with Steve, Steve and Peggy actually getting together, the escalation of Red Skull and HYDRA against Cap complete with some bonkers jobber fight versus some zombified Nazi version of Cap in a German Castle or something. It writes itself.
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Azhais posted:Steve was fighting constantly as a kid! I know this is kind of a joke but there's no fight training as good as real fighting and a hypothetical dude who learns to fight while giving up a 100 pounds or more every time and then somehow gains an olympic physique and a heavyweight build could be a real dangerous dude if he's smart enough to learn from experience.
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Apr 11, 2021 07:53
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People were wondering how US Agent killing a helpless, defeated enemy in broad daylight in front of a ton of witnesses is going to play out, but real life is already giving us a glimpse of how it will be handled https://twitter.com/Nash076/status/1381110604300230656
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Apr 11, 2021 08:05
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twistedmentat posted:People were wondering how US Agent killing a helpless, defeated enemy in broad daylight in front of a ton of witnesses is going to play out, but real life is already giving us a glimpse of how it will be handled  I want to say that's bait but I really don't know anymore. I don't know if I want them to go that way in universe or if it would be a little *too* on the nose.
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JohnnySavs posted:Banner shouldn't be overlooked in the MCU's selfless, noble hero list. He knew the gauntlet could have killed him and he still used it only to do the most good possible and then never use it again. I wouldn't expect it to be too complicated. Even if losing half the population resulted in the utopia Thanos was hoping for (which it definitely didn't) and created a true unified earth without borders or wars, billions of lives is an unfathomably high price to pay for that. Endgame was already stacked to the gills, but it would have been interesting if during one of the scenes (maybe during the grief counseling scene or while Natasha and Cap are hanging out) they pointed out some of the things that had improved, kind of as a way to try to cheer themselves or others up. While I don't think any debate about whether to bring everyone back or not holds water, I think the world starting to be on the right track after 5 years would have been more intriguing than the impression Endgame gave of everything barely holding together and garbage piling up in the streets. Also I may have had the wrong idea on how that last scene went down, just with how it was edited it didn't seem they went to the extreme. But with the way the last shot is framed and how the Shield looks, it seems pretty likely that what I wanted to have happened happened, they just toned it down to basically the maximum you could. Which hey, that makes sense I suppose for the Mouse. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Apr 11, 2021 08:29
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Marvel should really just do a cheap show without superheroes that is all about the post-snap and post-blip world.
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Ravel posted:Bucky is probably pulling his punches considerably. I've always assumed the big difference between the Winter Soldier and Bucky Barnes is that the former does not care (doesn't have the capacity to care, really, had it brutally stripped away from him) about collateral or the people he's fighting. He has a mission, the mission is to kill, he's not going to stop until he's done or stopped himself. Whereas Bucky does give a poo poo, doesn't want to kill anyone anymore, and actually has feelings whenever he does hurt anyone. So in that sense, Bucky is "weaker" as his those-pesky-human-feelings self and not operating at 100% of his considerable capabilities.
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NowonSA posted:I wouldn't expect it to be too complicated. Even if losing half the population resulted in the utopia Thanos was hoping for (which it definitely didn't) and created a true unified earth without borders or wars, billions of lives is an unfathomably high price to pay for that. There's the scene where Cap says 'hey I saw some Whales the other day' and he and Natasha both recognise how weak the 'nature returning' upside feels.
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NowonSA posted:I wouldn't expect it to be too complicated. Even if losing half the population resulted in the utopia Thanos was hoping for (which it definitely didn't) and created a true unified earth without borders or wars, billions of lives is an unfathomably high price to pay for that. Steve did make that comment about Whales in the Hudson... I could see Bruce while being glad everyone came back, not feeling super great about all the old systems of exploiting people returning at the same time. Maybe even a little angry that the world didn't learn anything from it... Give me Devil Hulk you cowards.
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A missed opportunity that they decided not to make it a decapitation, it would have been poetic for Walker to pervert the shield's use into a literal guillotine.
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Apr 11, 2021 08:51
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LegionAreI posted:
I can totally believe that there are chuds out there who totally see this as justified, as I said as long as you can say "this is to protect America", you can justify any horrible thing.
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mind the walrus posted:I headcanon that after The Battle of New York, SHIELD spent some time giving Steve training to bring him in line with the 21st Century and he was a prodigy learner both because he's got the Erskine serum, and because he's an intelligent guy overall.
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Wakanda can't be that mad at Bucky, they didn't take their billion dollar arm back.
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:Wakanda can't be that mad at Bucky, they didn't take their billion dollar arm back. They're not mad, they're just disappointed.
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