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Inspector Hound posted:And the trillions of dollars it was announced the day before the state department couldn't account for Pentagon, not State
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Tubgoat posted:Wait, is this part serious? because this sounds like poo poo someone would make up to prevent the next thing out of their mouth from being believed either. It was in the basement of WTC 4 (not 7, sorry), held by a European bank. Apparently when WTC was built, it was intended to be the premier nexus of money and capital, so there were vaults built into the basements. The whole point of the site was to draw all the power players to it. From that perspective, it shouldn't be surprising that it held sensitive information, regional intelligence offices, etc. Its destruction is what it's predominantly known for, 20 years later. But it was a perfect symbol and target for very important reasons. Unrelated, just want to say page 666 had some very powerful passing energy. Thank you goons.
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Backweb posted:It was in the basement of WTC 4 (not 7, sorry), held by a European bank. Apparently when WTC was built, it was intended to be the premier nexus of money and capital, so there were vaults built into the basements. it was also one of the rockefeller family's crowning achievements
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Spergin Morlock posted:it was also one of the rockefeller family's crowning achievements Its construction or its destruction?  How much of Manhattan is owned by that family? Acreage, I mean?
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Backweb posted:Its construction or its destruction? I meant it's creation. They were involved in it's design and construction and insisted on making them really big even though that much square footage was not needed in the city at that point in time. it was a prestige project
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kinda not really here nor there, but i was tooling around Wikipedia and from a 13th century monk scholar who wrote on The Wandering Jew myth, i found myself reading about how the US Army CIC operated a ratline after WWII, helping nazi informants escape justice to South America, as well as literally employing a successful nazi propagandist to help craft anti communist campaigns, and saw that one of their "notable agents" was Mike Gravel lol it mentions his time in CIC right in his bio, doing both the ratline work ("helping to pay off spies" [you pay off retired informants with travel and new identities]) as well as doing a lot of anti-communist work in France i don't remember it ever coming up during the embarassing time the gravel teens were a big meme on twitter or sadly here on CSPAM but definitely had a big ol' chuckle over it. also god drat America employed so many loving nazis after WWII, are there any decently sourced books about it that go into it beyond the space program? because those fuckers infested tons of high up places in the military and private sector smarxist has issued a correction as of 10:07 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Apr 11, 2021 10:04
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The Devil's Chessboard has multiple chapters on the subject Also Mike Gravel being an op is a big crack ping + lmao
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Well that's a revelation. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised about the rat lines and poo poo. American propaganda likes to pretend "defeating Nazism" and "winning WWII" were the same thing. We always ignore that America had a ton of homegrown Nazis before the war. The war effort put them into jobs to help ensure a victory, sure, but why would they disappear afterwards?
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Yea the Nazis didn't lose, they just became the CIA.
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i sent five bucks to gravel, dammit. i guess from now on the assumption should be that no one is allowed to be on the primary stage unless they have been an agent or an informant in a past life, as things have likely always worked and always will work. we don't have elections, we have selections. a major purpose of the intelligence community is to domestically cancel out democracy, to launder old money aristocracy to appear as if it were democracy with public mandate to placate the workers.LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I don't know about all that but the controlled demolition story sounds like something tacked on to make everyone sound even crazier. where's that detty post about that newly surfaced pre-911 document proposing an attack involving explosive filled planes? i don't think it has really entered the public consciousness yet, but that's a pretty clean solution to the "jet fuel melts steel beams" misdirection argument. replacing planes with loaded ones is i guess technically a way to "control" demolition toward total destruction, without having to literally control it by doing something complex and implausible sounding like planting bombs in buildings just in time for planes to hit. this option of course pairs well with the theory that 9/11 was a late modified attempt to do operation northwoods (see wikipedia), a kennedy-era proposal for a false flag attack involving a plane that is switched out using sleight of hand before being blown up and blamed on cuba. the first flight would be fully booked with agents who willingly uneventfully disembark the plane in the middle of an air force base that it prematurely landed in along the route. kennedy nixed this plan, then was promptly assassinated by a pissed off cia and george bush sr who i guess might have really wanted to do the operation and continued to want to Happy Thread has issued a correction as of 11:38 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Backweb posted:Well that's a revelation. Russia and the UK had already won by the time the US showed up. The only thing the US won in WW2 was the bad sportsmanship award for dropping two nukes on a country they already knew were preparing to surrender.
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is it true that there are no movements without some rich kid getting mad at their parents?
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Ham Cheeks posted:What do you mean? I know literally nothing and find this stuff fascinating oh nothing, just thought it was a funny name.... unless, e: https://web.archive.org/web/20150918031127/https://money.cnn.com/2010/02/16/news/international/Treasury_intelligence_office/ posted:WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- You probably know the Treasury Department as the agency that brought you the bank bailout, the AIG rescue and, of course, the IRS.  oh okay Stevie Lee has issued a correction as of 13:06 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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nut posted:is it true that there are no movements without some rich kid getting mad at their parents? I get that you’re joking, but philanthropic foundations fund Western lib nonprofits that sabotage protest movements and manage shady color revolutions throughout the world. If you follow the money, these groups, rife with cops and often arranging in advance to get people arrested, constitute most of purported Western “left”. The fact that these foundations historically were used as funding conduits for intelligence agencies is also relevant but somehow treated as a historical curiosity of the cold war era.
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Bathtub Cheese posted:I get that you’re joking, but philanthropic foundations fund Western lib nonprofits that sabotage protest movements and manage shady color revolutions throughout the world. If you follow the money, these groups, rife with cops and often arranging in advance to get people arrested, constitute most of purported Western “left”. yeah you did a very nice thing to me which was recognize the joke, but I guess the real question is whether or not a mechanism exists for movements to continue and grow without a benefactor. I suppose even when they do they just get filled with informants
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nut posted:yeah you did a very nice thing to me which was recognize the joke, but I guess the real question is whether or not a mechanism exists for movements to continue and grow without a benefactor. I suppose even when they do they just get filled with informants not qualified to say really. if nothing else there are more militant stances and tactics that seem genuinely anathema to lib protest groups, and their reasons for this are shaky to nonexistent even when you take their own tepid mission at face value. I interpret what happened to Darren Seals as an example of how desperate the cops get when even a single credible person starts asking too many questions along these lines.
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Don't let anyone you wouldn't trust with your life guide you into a trance state, and also don't trip around them either. definitely don't do both things unless you crave a special kind of suicide where your meat body persists without your mind
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Anybody got a link for the Mike Gravel stuff? I can totally see this being real, considering what thread I'm posting in, but would like to see a source before I start ruining family dinners with it.
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it's right in his wiki, it's not secret info:quote:Around May 1951, Gravel saw that he was about to be drafted and instead enlisted in the U.S. Army for a three-year term so that he could get into the Counterintelligence Corps.[15] After basic training and counterintelligence school at Fort Holabird in Maryland and in South Carolina, he went to Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning, Georgia.[15] While he expected to be sent off to the Korean War when he graduated as a second lieutenant in early 1952, he was instead assigned to Stuttgart, West Germany, as a Special Adjutant in the Army's Communications Intelligence Service.[15] In Germany, Gravel conducted surveillance operations on civilians and paid off spies.[15] After about a year, he transferred to Orléans, France, where his French language abilities (if not his French-Canadian accent) allowed him to infiltrate French communist rallies.[15] He worked as a Special Agent in the Counterintelligence Corps until 1954,[5] eventually becoming a first lieutenant.[16] what's known about CIC's activities or at least in the wiki: quote:The "ratline" controversy here's the page about the propagandist they hired: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_Taubert
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Imagine being the guys who were setting up the whole "Iraqi Anthrax attacks" thing, which might have ended up killing maybe 100 people at the very most, and then seeing the planes hitting the towers. Thinking you were making a nice clean casus belli that would efficiently rev up the MIC for its new post-Cold War mission, and suddenly being faced with the fact that you weren't poo poo in the grand scheme of things.
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All of the early conservatives in AK were.... problematic, lmao. I hadn't heard about his early career in such detail before but it is no surprise to me. I mostly know of him as the guy that read the pentagon papers into the public record and it seems like he's had a career of contrasts. "It is my constitutional obligation to protect the security of the people by fostering the free flow of information absolutely essential to their democratic decision-making." o7
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Yeah I mean i'm sure he'd either denounce his service or try to be critical of it today and blah blah rah rah. I mostly just found it amusing more than anything, but I never really gave a poo poo about the guy as a meme sensation
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Do we know if he's discussed his involvement at all? His progressiveness kinda makes me wonder if he had no choice in the matter during his stint. e: like "I was forced under military orders to help shuttle nazis around. I'm unable to comment, so to make amends let me enter the Pentagon papers into public record." Backweb has issued a correction as of 20:10 on Apr 11, 2021 |
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Happy Thread posted:i sent five bucks to gravel, dammit. i guess from now on the assumption should be that no one is allowed to be on the primary stage unless they have been an agent or an informant in a past life, as things have likely always worked and always will work. we don't have elections, we have selections. a major purpose of the intelligence community is to domestically cancel out democracy, to launder old money aristocracy to appear as if it were democracy with public mandate to placate the workers. along these lines, my brain is small and smooth so idk what faction or network clinton represented, or how he won out over bush sr I guess I also don’t know what perots deal was either
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Riot Bimbo posted:*nods insanely*
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Clinton sold "third way" politics to the democratic party, which was basically the blueprint they've been following ever since. Clinton said "Look you got your asses kicked in the 80's, you're poo poo garbage because of the Carter admin and being too 'progressive', let Bubba take control of the party, i'm a good ol' boy and i'll find places to sell progressive stuff where I can" it was essentially the full commodification of the struggles of colored/minority people and queer people's basic human rights into negotiation tools as open to compromise as foreign trade and diplomacy. build a deal on tax/money issues that worked and then try to staple some rights onto it for people before it went out the door and if you couldn't oh well, who cares? what are you gonna do? vote Republican? it's completely unprincipled and puts price tags on basic human rights so of course it was wildly popular and worked well naturally because democrats are stupid as poo poo they got compromised by this approach, leading to things like the Crime Bill and Welfare Reform Act, because liberals are pathologically incapable of thinking beyond the surface of an issue, they didn't understand how these two pieces of legislation would completely decimate disadvantaged communities that NEEDED more relief, not more jail sentences and less benefits. because the Clinton Era was the last time people remember things being "good", they still let the democratic party operate in this manner; unprincipled windsocks with no message, no passion, who constantly have the football yanked from them by the GOP just as they're about to kick the game winning field goal of human rights. Biden is basically the second coming of third way clintonian horse poo poo, someone who can get bipartisan dealing done where capital gets everything it wants and everyone else can go pound sand up their rear end
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Riot Bimbo posted:*nods insanely*
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I'd like to see a hostile try to hypnotise me. Not that hypnotism doesn't work, but I have done a bunch of psychedelics and spend most of the day mildly dissociated (while sober) when I'm not sleeping, lol.
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smarxist posted:Clinton sold "third way" politics to the democratic party, which was basically the blueprint they've been following ever since. Clinton said "Look you got your asses kicked in the 80's, you're poo poo garbage because of the Carter admin and being too 'progressive', let Bubba take control of the party, i'm a good ol' boy and i'll find places to sell progressive stuff where I can" this is a very good post.
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Full disclosure: I ain't watching this poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBMweVhES1Q E: lmfbo, okay maybe a little kinkier than I was aiming for Inverted Icon has issued a correction as of 02:08 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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smarxist posted:Clinton sold "third way" politics to the democratic party, which was basically the blueprint they've been following ever since. Clinton said "Look you got your asses kicked in the 80's, you're poo poo garbage because of the Carter admin and being too 'progressive', let Bubba take control of the party, i'm a good ol' boy and i'll find places to sell progressive stuff where I can" good stuff, thanks, but my read from this thread is that no president since kennedy (or possible forever) gets close to power independent of some faction of the ruling class. I’m wondering what dark lords of capital clinton was from
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ya wasn’t Bill slanging coke in Arkansas from mena airfield
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Centrist Committee posted:good stuff, thanks, but my read from this thread is that no president since kennedy (or possible forever) gets close to power independent of some faction of the ruling class. I’m wondering what dark lords of capital clinton was from how the gently caress is that even a question Hillary was on the walmart board of directors 1986-1992
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that’s more like it. all I have are vague memories of right wing noise about seth rich and vince foster, but no idea how to filter that through epstein vision
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