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Oh and then they bought that cruise ship and were like "we can just park it in Panama's waters and declare it an island, Panama won't mind!" and Panama was like "Actually we do, in fact, mind, here is the set of regulations you need to comply with and the insurance you need to have to do that safely." To which they replied with an incredibly whiny letter declaring "Oh no loving statists have ruined us!!!  "
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Mr. Nice! posted:they're not wrong - humanity needs another planet because assholes like them are going to do nothing to stop the destruction of this one. we, as a species, are incapable of saving our own asses. we have the worst global pandemic in a century and the usa is more worried about moderna and pfizer profit numbers than they are opening up patents so the world can get over this plague. I don't disagree that we're going to gently caress this planet, because we clearly are, but the fact remains that there's nothing else in our solar system even remotely close. Even after a full scale nuclear war or completely rampant climate change Earth will STILL be more habitable than anywhere else in the solar system. We still don't even have a tiny fraction of understanding of how complicated our ecosphere is, from planet-scale weather systems down to soil microbes. Literally everything on the planet across several orders of magnitude in scale and diversity is integral to our healthy survival, it's just too complicated for our limited brains to comprehend let along kick-start on another fundamentally different planet. Real life isn't sci-fi, it may never be possible for humans to survive long-term away from our planet without constant contact and re-supply, but even if it does become possible it sure as gently caress isn't going to happen in my lifetime. Much greater odds that humanity dies out a long time before we understand enough about our own ecosystem to recreate it anywhere else (we're definitely destroying it faster than we understand it, which makes this a certainty IMO).
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The first iteration of Biosphere II was taken over by invasive ant species that snuck in so I'd imagine any sort of attempt at a self-sustaining space habitat or terraforming or whatever would prolly end the same way, though with like a weird toxic lichen or slime mold taking over instead.
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We inherited a working biosphere and are actively destroying it to the point where it may not be able to support human life while simultaneously driving extinct hundreds or thousands of species that we haven't even catalogued yet and without even a thorough understanding of all of its mechanisms of operation. What makes anyone think we're scientifically or culturally capable of creating and maintaining a similar environment that we designed ourselves from scratch?
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Apr 11, 2021 20:37
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The Oldest Man posted:We inherited a working biosphere and are actively destroying it to the point where it may not be able to support human life while simultaneously driving extinct hundreds or thousands of species that we haven't even catalogued yet and without even a thorough understanding of all of its mechanisms of operation. What makes anyone think we're scientifically or culturally capable of creating and maintaining a similar environment that we designed ourselves from scratch? An environment we design from scratch won't have pesky poor people in it so our brilliant rich people brains can focus on solving all those problems instead of solving the petty annoyances of "keeping the poor people from eating us"
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Apr 11, 2021 20:53
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sure Amazon pushes their warehouse workers so hard that they have to piss themselves, but have you considered that they have the lowest prices??? hmmm???
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Apr 11, 2021 20:53
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actionjackson posted:so you will simply always go wherever the price is the lowest, 100% regardless of that company's policies? In theory I agree with you, and my bank salesman basically didn't believe my budget because I'm not spending my money on crap. But the average person is gonna buy crap, and she's gonna buy it as cheap as possible. It sucks hard as balls, and you should definitely think about it and try to avoid supporting evil crap, but no one is that principled, and the average person sure as hell ain't. I have forced myself to remember that chocolate is made by literal child slaves when I get it, and yet I still buy it and eat it because I'm bored. People are crap. This is why we need collective action, both in terms of unions and government regulation.
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Shame Boy posted:The first iteration of Biosphere II was taken over by invasive ant species that snuck in so I'd imagine any sort of attempt at a self-sustaining space habitat or terraforming or whatever would prolly end the same way, though with like a weird toxic lichen or slime mold taking over instead. Was this before or after they had to evacuate because the concrete curing absorbed more oxygen than the plants inside could produce?
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Apr 11, 2021 20:59
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kraken! posted:Was this before or after they had to evacuate because the concrete curing absorbed more oxygen than the plants inside could produce? It was almost immediately after they sealed the thing at the start, so well before that. The ants took over and were a constant problem the entire time.
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actionjackson posted:sure Amazon pushes their warehouse workers so hard that they have to piss themselves, but have you considered that they have the lowest prices??? hmmm??? "But I really need a new TV and it's not like one person can make a difference anyway. And it's not like I can really afford it, I guess I'll make an exception just this once." Also the American warehouse workers are probably not the ones getting the worst deal in the Amazon supply chain.
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My favorite fact about Biosphere II is that in later missions they eventually ironed out all the issues and got it to a pretty good state of more or less self-sustainability and the thing that ultimately killed it (in its original form, anyway) was loving Steve Bannon, who I'm pretty sure did it just out of spite.
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If we accidentally facilitate ants colonising Mars, then our species will have justified its existence. Who knows, maybe Elon Musk has a parasitic ant queen controlling him
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Failed Imagineer posted:If we accidentally facilitate ants colonising Mars, then our species will have justified its existence. Who knows, maybe Elon Musk has a parasitic ant queen controlling him That would explain his desire to build a network of tunnels 
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Apr 11, 2021 21:04
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Failed Imagineer posted:If we accidentally facilitate ants colonising Mars, then our species will have justified its existence. Who knows, maybe Elon Musk has a parasitic ant queen controlling him ants are clearly the superior species. we should sent ant colonies on every space probe there is, that way they can eventually evolve into Alien-esque monsters
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Apr 11, 2021 21:12
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Shame Boy posted:The first iteration of Biosphere II was taken over by invasive ant species that snuck in so I'd imagine any sort of attempt at a self-sustaining space habitat or terraforming or whatever would prolly end the same way, though with like a weird toxic lichen or slime mold taking over instead. knowing musk he would assume everyone could live off rice and beans and they would all fart themselves to death
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Apr 11, 2021 22:15
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actionjackson posted:sure Amazon pushes their warehouse workers so hard that they have to piss themselves, but have you considered that they have the lowest prices??? hmmm??? BonHair posted:"But I really need a new TV and it's not like one person can make a difference anyway. And it's not like I can really afford it, I guess I'll make an exception just this once." lol. working backwards from Amazon, are any of the other employees in the supply chain treated well? do you believe the people harvesting the grains or mining the raw materials are treated well and the oppression begins in Bezos’ warehouses? if you think you’re making some admirable moral stand by buying from companies that exploit their workers .3% less you’re rubes. good for you if you can afford to spend extra on necessities or the rare leisure purchase but you’re not better than anyone else
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Apr 12, 2021 00:12
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indigi posted:lol. working backwards from Amazon, are any of the other employees in the supply chain treated well? do you believe the people harvesting the grains or mining the raw materials are treated well and the oppression begins in Bezos’ warehouses? if you think you’re making some admirable moral stand by buying from companies that exploit their workers .3% less you’re rubes. good for you if you can afford to spend extra on necessities or the rare leisure purchase but you’re not better than anyone else yeah i guess theres no point in trying to be an ethical consumer at all and i should just dump all my money into the amazon blood factories because theyve got the cheapest blood and im a working man on a budget.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:39
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Muscle Wizard posted:yeah i guess theres no point in trying to be an ethical consumer at all and i should just dump all my money into the amazon blood factories because theyve got the cheapest blood and im a working man on a budget. Could you point me to the non blood factories
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Apr 12, 2021 00:40
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Muscle Wizard posted:yeah i guess theres no point in trying to be an ethical consumer at all and i should just dump all my money into the amazon blood factories because theyve got the cheapest blood and im a working man on a budget. The Oldest Man posted:Could you point me to the non blood factories
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Apr 12, 2021 00:41
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The Oldest Man posted:Could you point me to the non blood factories bizarre defense of amazon
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Apr 12, 2021 00:41
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jeff bezos is really bad, like probably one of the worst technical humans alive. but his prices are the cheapest so im gonna keep giving him money. im a leftist.
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Apr 12, 2021 00:42
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remember what sonic the hedgehog says,
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jetz0r posted:remember what sonic the hedgehog says, im sure this meme image from 2013 tumblr makes u feel much better about having no actual leftist values and thats what matters lol
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Apr 12, 2021 00:45
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do u have any about how shoplifting cosmetics from alta is actually praxis
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Apr 12, 2021 00:45
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One weird trick to end capitalism by become an ethical consumer Bezos hates it!
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Apr 12, 2021 00:46
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vote with your wallet! that always stops monopolies
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Apr 12, 2021 00:48
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Muscle Wizard posted:bizarre defense of amazon bizarre defense of participating in capitalism yet claiming moral superiority over those who also participate in capitalism in an entirely indistinguishable way
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Apr 12, 2021 00:48
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tell me how do I avoid the amazon part of the internet?
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Muscle Wizard posted:l actual leftist values it’s me I give people poo poo for buying what they can afford. that’s actual leftist values
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Apr 12, 2021 00:49
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you are justifying not giving up a small amount of comfort so that you can keep paying what is likely the worst corporation in the entire world and keep their business running.
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you are not a leftist.
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Muscle Wizard posted:you are not a leftist. are you a teenager
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Muscle Wizard posted:likely the worst corporation in the entire world lol you’re a fuckin genius mate
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itd be one thing to say something like 'i literally have no economically feasible way to keep my house pay bills etc without relying on cheap amazon goods and services' but you want to have your cake and eat it too. its just impossible! just have to keep getting these good deals cuz its all immoral anyways right?
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Muscle Wizard posted:you are not a leftist. -wizard, muscle. something awful “cspam” forums. 2021.
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lmao have you ever heard of mining companies dude? Or oil companies or commerical fishing or any resource extraction whatsoever? Do to buy ethical gasoline from special gas stations?
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Apr 12, 2021 00:52
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I’ve never seen a take that Amazon is the worst corporation in the world this is truly wild
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We should use this guy's leftist detector to out all the feds on twitter
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do you know how much of the internet runs on AWS?
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indigi posted:lol you’re a fuckin genius mate amazons really really bad and youre still going to give them money so u dont lose a tiny amount of convenience in your life. you suck.
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