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Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

atelier morgan posted:

the national guard did go out last year, though

they weren't as brutal as the pigs in general, but they were deployed

unless bidens gonna have em shoot live ammo idk what he could do to escalate even further beyond

Gassing folks in their homes, snatch squads in the streets, targeted attacks on medical personnel, all done already and folks are still out there

Yeah I remember the famous video of the cops cracking the old dudes skull open and stepping over him. The only people that came to check on him were the national guard lol

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Raccooon posted:

Lol just realized the guest is David Sirota.

But yeah this is exactly the point he is making. They could have dug their heels in and at least got like 12-13 min wage after a negotiation. But instead they got nothing because they just rolled over.

Sam Seder keeps being like well what if nothing passed and they blamed the left! Just too scared to even try to use leverage ever.

Yeah there's no way it wasn't going to pass.

Conservative dems can seem to figure it out but for some reason the squad can't

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

mcmagic posted:

In the situation of the COVID bill, it was never going to be that nothing passed. They would have come back and tried again until something passed and it makes no sense that the progressives in the house folded the way they did. That is the point David Sirota was making on majority report and he's right.

lmao

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

spacemang_spliff posted:

Yeah there's no way it wasn't going to pass.

Conservative dems can seem to figure it out but for some reason the squad can't

At this point, I think its they just don't want to. Can't possibly be so stupid to not understand how leverage works.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Prettz posted:

I cannot even fathom what this means.

succ

Prettz posted:

I would believe it was more hopeless if trmp won.

scc

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dc-national-guardsman-captured-on-video-chanting-im-black-and-im-proud-with-protesters

Yeah Trump was the one that sicked DHS on "Antifa" too.

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Raccooon posted:

Lol just realized the guest is David Sirota.

But yeah this is exactly the point he is making. They could have dug their heels in and at least got like 12-13 min wage after a negotiation. But instead they got nothing because they just rolled over.

Sam Seder keeps being like well what if nothing passed and they blamed the left! Just too scared to even try to use leverage ever.

Listening to that interview now. Seder is so worthless. Just another blue team apologist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsIsw99qfQA&t=1835s

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 04:55 on Apr 13, 2021

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Raccooon posted:

At this point, I think its they just don't want to. Can't possibly be so stupid to not understand how leverage works.

They don’t have a coherent strategy to vote like a socialist bloc. They see things they like in the the bills and that’s what they think about.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

spacemang_spliff posted:

Yeah there's no way it wasn't going to pass.

Conservative dems can seem to figure it out but for some reason the squad can't

the democrat party is a conservative party. Joe told us, nothing will significantly change. people should have listened.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
seder is 50.1% succ. he's more succ than man.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

mcmagic posted:

They don’t have a coherent strategy to vote like a socialist bloc. They see things they like in the the bills and that’s what they think about.

"I can't stress enough how much they prefer governing and passing stuff to talking about Dem party politics"

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
gotta hand it to him, if Dave Weigel were 50 pounds fatter he’d be a true IRL Ignatius J. Reilly

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Nichael posted:

During Paula Jean Swearengin's campaign last year as the Democratic nominee for Senator of West Virginia, Manchin actively did photo-ops with the GOP Senator, Capito. Even if you get a good candidate in a red state, they'll just work with the GOP to gently caress you.

thinking about biden campaigning on behalf of fred upton a scant couple years ago. :allears:

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

That MTG campaign poo poo that Nichael posted still making me laugh.

Lib: I want to work across the aisle because thats how this is supposed to work!

MTG: I bet I can make this dumb lib cry and piss his pants if I put gun in his face

lol

Imagine being in that campaign and seeing your opponent and thinking yes I think we can reach across the aisle.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Dr. Killjoy posted:

reminded me how my brother met some insane hippie out in the sticks who was warning him about a super secret ultra prison that was nearby and it turned out to be one of Kamala’s firefighter camps

hahaha

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Willa Rogers posted:

thinking about biden campaigning on behalf of fred upton a scant couple years ago. :allears:

Got paid almost a quarter million to campaign for the GOP in the midterms




















Vote!

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
tl;dw: Author of Listen, Liberal and What's The Matter With Kansas snubbed by network exec because, "it's okay to criticize the Democrats from the right, but you can't criticize the Democrats from the left."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goxSwAu-Fv4&t=2362s

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1381686835450150918

This is what passes for a win to today's social democrats

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

PhilippAchtel posted:

Listening to that interview now. Seder is so worthless. Just another blue team apologist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsIsw99qfQA&t=1835s

i only watched this off an on for an hour but they seem pretty much agreeing with one an other. wheres the juicy poo poo?

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Raccooon posted:

Yeah I remember the famous video of the cops cracking the old dudes skull open and stepping over him. The only people that came to check on him were the national guard lol

there were no legal consequences for those cops

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
please call up your friends with dead relatives and let them know

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

PhilippAchtel posted:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1381686835450150918

This is what passes for a win to today's social democrats

so if it's only people who have died of covid who can get funeral assistance, doesn't that create a perverse incentive for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a funeral, to tag a death as covid related, just to have eligibility for assistance?

and if you start tagging people who DIDN'T die of covid, as having died of covid, doesn't that just validate all of the conspiracy poo poo the right has been yammering on about for months?

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Nichael posted:

there were no legal consequences for those cops

yay buffalo! my town! :sadpeanut:

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Raccooon posted:

That MTG campaign poo poo that Nichael posted still making me laugh.

Lib: I want to work across the aisle because thats how this is supposed to work!

MTG: I bet I can make this dumb lib cry and piss his pants if I put gun in his face

lol

Imagine being in that campaign and seeing your opponent and thinking yes I think we can reach across the aisle.

I keep laughing to myself thinking about it. I was discussing it with a friend earlier, and I think something this thread glossed over is that Marjorie Taylor Greene actually cucked him so badly that his marriage ended, since his wife divorced him after like 25 days of "stress" from an "active" campaign.

MTG didn't just win the Congressional seat. She owned him so hard that he withdrew, destroyed the Democrats' ability to replace him on the ballot, had his marriage ruined, and he got banished to Indiana to live with his parents. Holy loving poo poo.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Lol

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


none of you have the posting powers of MTG. maybe even trump doesn't, since he never actually ruined the marriages of Cruz or Jeb!.

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Nichael posted:

I keep laughing to myself thinking about it. I was discussing it with a friend earlier, and I think something this thread glossed over is that Marjorie Taylor Greene actually cucked him so badly that his marriage ended, since his wife divorced him after like 25 days of "stress" from an "active" campaign.

MTG didn't just win the Congressional seat. She owned him so hard that he withdrew, destroyed the Democrats' ability to replace him on the ballot, had his marriage ruined, and he got banished to Indiana to live with his parents. Holy loving poo poo.

Lol she was right.

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

so if it's only people who have died of covid who can get funeral assistance, doesn't that create a perverse incentive for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a funeral, to tag a death as covid related, just to have eligibility for assistance?

and if you start tagging people who DIDN'T die of covid, as having died of covid, doesn't that just validate all of the conspiracy poo poo the right has been yammering on about for months?

if it was underreported in ny then it'll just get evened out. its all good.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

gradenko_2000 posted:

so if it's only people who have died of covid who can get funeral assistance, doesn't that create a perverse incentive for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a funeral, to tag a death as covid related, just to have eligibility for assistance?

and if you start tagging people who DIDN'T die of covid, as having died of covid, doesn't that just validate all of the conspiracy poo poo the right has been yammering on about for months?

I mean, yeah... But lying has been so ingrained and normalized by the vaccine eligibility stuffs who knows if these forms and papers ever get looked at.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


I also can't get over the fact MTG's opponent, Kevin (lol), had no one in the district he was running to represent, who he was friendly with enough to let him crash at their place so he could maintain residency. None of his campaign staff, none of his volunteers (lol he didn't loving have volunteers). He was running to represent a district in which he knew no one.

Travv0
Jan 26, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

so if it's only people who have died of covid who can get funeral assistance, doesn't that create a perverse incentive for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a funeral, to tag a death as covid related, just to have eligibility for assistance?

and if you start tagging people who DIDN'T die of covid, as having died of covid, doesn't that just validate all of the conspiracy poo poo the right has been yammering on about for months?

i'm kinda a dumb idiot but surely it's not the people who would get the benefits that determine cause of death, isn't that a doctor's job?

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
it gets the question, if you can provide funeral expenses for every covid death, why not provide for every death?

or health care? would the funeral home lobby complain?

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Radirot posted:

i only watched this off an on for an hour but they seem pretty much agreeing with one an other. wheres the juicy poo poo?

Yeah, there's no gotcha moment. Seder tried to ramp up the apologetics a few times, but Sirota moves right past it.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Reality Protester posted:

it gets the question, if you can provide funeral expenses for every covid death, why not provide for every death?

or health care? would the funeral home lobby complain?

I remember when "if we should provide free healthcare for everyone who caught covid, why not do that for every other disease?" was treated as an absurd unicorn of a statement

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
dsaers make me sick. go plant a garden or something idiots

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Using FEMA was s great choice. It will put a hard cap on the number of Americans willing to use the program.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
organize joe biden's balls in your mouth

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

PhilippAchtel posted:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1381686835450150918

This is what passes for a win to today's social democrats

did aoc tweets only gradually start to resemble onion headlines or was this more of an overnight thing

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

gradenko_2000 posted:

I remember when "if we should provide free healthcare for everyone who caught covid, why not do that for every other disease?" was treated as an absurd unicorn of a statement

if your house catches fire, a government agency will roll up and put it out and save you from your balcony.

but if you have a cough? :cmon:

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The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

so if it's only people who have died of covid who can get funeral assistance, doesn't that create a perverse incentive for people who might not otherwise be able to afford a funeral, to tag a death as covid related, just to have eligibility for assistance?

and if you start tagging people who DIDN'T die of covid, as having died of covid, doesn't that just validate all of the conspiracy poo poo the right has been yammering on about for months?

so you thought that covid was a hoax, went to a party and died unconscious on a ventilator while insisting that it's a fake disease to the end? hey, we'll pay for the funeral

oh, you were born with a bad heart valve and died due to something that was no fault of your own and could have been treated if only you or your parents could have afforded insurance? that's your own fault, pay up

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