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World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006



https://twitter.com/wilson6923/status/1382371231782031367

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

how can the us remain the global hegemon in the face of such Posting

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Reality Protester posted:

remember when democrats blocked trump's wall funding, forcing him to declare an emergency, which they then canceled?

how the f is biden getting wall money lmao

democrats decided to fund the wall in 2019 in exchange for Henry Cuellar getting his pet project approved lol

quote:

Livas of the No Border Wall movement fears that the idea is to trade off the beautification project in downtown Laredo for a border wall throughout the Rio Grande Valley. “We’ve heard from people in the Valley, the federal government needs the local officials to do a compromise,” he says. “Do the wall in this area and we’ll do this project.”

That appears to be what happened.

The new language in Section 209(b) of the DHS appropriation, which was folded into the omnibus bill, states that federal funding could not only go to operationally effective designs like steel bollards, but “operationally effective adaptations of such designs that help mitigate community or environmental impacts of barrier system construction, including adaptations based on consultation with jurisdictions within which barrier system will be constructed.”

This is precisely what Cuellar and the city of Laredo wanted. As long as they consult with DHS, as they already have, they could obtain federal funding for the bulkhead.

Juan Livas’s fear also appears to be coming true. A Laredo Morning Times article released Monday, just before the new appropriations language was released, carried the title “Like it or not, the border wall is coming to Laredo.” It described Customs and Border Protection officials leaning on the city, telling them the government would begin border wall construction with or without cooperation. They would use military and counter-narcotics funding to build it if they had to. The appropriations package Congress approved puts no restriction on such maneuvering, and the new $1.375 billion is also now available.

In the meeting, Customs and Border Protection proposed that Laredo could get one mile of bulkhead (the initial plan called for 10 miles) if they cooperated with the feds. CBP even called the project a “riverwalk.” The language in the appropriations appears to pave the way for this compromise. In exchange for that one mile, the city would allow wall surveying on its other riverfront property. A city council meeting will be held January 21, 2020, to discuss this.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
why don't the cops quit saying "he was no angle" and just say "we saw on facebook he was a trump supporter lol" when they inevitably shoot another black teen? libs would start waving thin blue line flags

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

lol

PenguinKnight
Apr 6, 2009

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1382386361295065091?s=21

who’s ready for a $10 minimum wage phased in over the next decade?

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Willa Rogers posted:

me, a wise biden toady: "acshully, it's rich people who take out student loans"

its not rich people taking it out, but the debt forgiveness being focused on public loans really does mean it would go almost entirely to high income high debt people who went to grad schools.

for undergrads, the public loans are capped at 57k over 4 years (going off memory here). but grad loans are infinite and uncapped post 07, and those same loans are eligible for ibr, paye and repaye

so public loan debt forgiveness, especially anything that isnt total, doesnt help all the post 07 borrowers like the kentucky public defender who just got 250k forgiven by pslf - she just would have had 200k forgiven if biden forgave 50 first. same with everyone else not getting pslf with their 6 figure debt -it didn't matter to them whether it was 100 , 300, or 500k of debt, they pay the $400/mo based on their salary. so forgiving 10, 50k just doesn't help them

who it does help is the biglaw people, dentists, doctors who are pulling down 200k a year instead of 50k, and now instead of repaying 200k they only repay 150k.

it's impossible to tell if the push for the 10/50 is by people who know this. i'm pretty sure it is.

mastershakeman has issued a correction as of 19:05 on Apr 14, 2021

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


How do Chinese propagandists spit hot fire and ours can't tie their shoes?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

PenguinKnight posted:

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1382386361295065091?s=21

who’s ready for a $10 minimum wage phased in over the next decade?

this would actually make me madder than nothing because of everyone who would line up to defend her

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011



this guy rocks

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


PenguinKnight posted:

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1382386361295065091?s=21

who’s ready for a $10 minimum wage phased in over the next decade?

lmao we're so hosed

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

mastershakeman posted:

its not rich people taking it out, but the debt forgiveness being focused on public loans really does mean it would go almost entirely to high income high debt people who went to grad schools.

for undergrads, the public loans are capped at 57k over 4 years (going off memory here). but grad loans are infinite and uncapped post 07, and those same loans are eligible for ibr, paye and repaye

so public loan debt forgiveness, especially anything that isnt total, doesnt help all the post 07 borrowers like the kentucky public defender who just got 250k forgiven by pslf - she just would have had 200k forgiven if biden forgave 50 first. same with everyone else not getting pslf with their 6 figure debt -it didn't matter to them whether it was 100 , 300, or 500k of debt, they pay the $400/mo based on their salary. so forgiving 10, 50k just doesn't help them

who it does help is the biglaw people, dentists, doctors who are pulling down 200k a year instead of 50k, and now instead of repaying 200k they only repay 150k.

it's impossible to tell if the push for the 10/50 is by people who know this. i'm pretty sure it is.

The notion that in the US you need to take huge loans so as to educate yourselves is ludicrous as it is. You don't have to add qualifiers concerning student debt forgiveness too.

Get rid of it. All of it. As a matter of principle.

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Raskolnikov38 posted:

all of these should be in the unbearable tier.

also lol at sportsball guy jonbois being part of breadtube

There's that video about the nfl strike where he lists the reasons to be against unions and it's just "you're an rear end in a top hat"

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

mastershakeman posted:

its probably because they can't express themselves clearly but recognize a one time forgiveness (i.e. a covid relief check that comes once and once only) is a bad plan and the usa needs to do a big bill that makes all public schools free going forward, all current loans forgiven, and all past payments for student loans paid back (there's records on this). maybe even pay back what people paid to the public schools in the first place. thankfully, since college costs inflated so much , paying back people who graduated decades ago won't cost much, especially if you just give the nominal value

this still isn't fair to everyone, since it fucks over every person who who went a less prestigious school to get grants and scholarships, but it's about as fair as you can make it

I forget this also screws over people who didn't go to college due to the cost, not sure how you can adjust for that. Probably can't. Maybe give everyone who didn't have loans 4 years worth of the public tuition at the flagship school in their state when they were 1in

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


https://twitter.com/uniononly/status/1382399103385051137?s=20

lol actually it is the fault of poor people for not demonstrating after working three jobs and 80 hours+. also their dad just died of covid and whoops you gotta pay those bills now too, but go protest you little piggies

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Dante80 posted:

The notion that in the US you need to take huge loans so as to educate yourselves is ludicrous as it is. You don't have to add qualifiers concerning student debt forgiveness too.

Get rid of it. All of it. As a matter of principle.

the question should be boiled down to "is education a human right?" of course the answer is yes, so it follows that profiting off of it is immoral.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

mastershakeman posted:

I forget this also screws over people who didn't go to college due to the cost, not sure how you can adjust for that. Probably can't. Maybe give everyone who didn't have loans 4 years worth of the public tuition at the flagship school in their state when they were 1in

if other states are like Washington this means getting admitted to the flagship school and being denied access to any major that might lead to a job, like all the computer touching majors. this plan would work pretty perfectly for some people!

sonatinas
Apr 15, 2003

Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate
if you're not hustling how can you even live

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

my bony fealty posted:

shouting into the void here but it's so funny when senate democrats, the only people on the planet with the power to determine to fate of Joe biden's ostensible agenda, do poo poo like this when it's clear to anyone with two functioning brain cells that the senate dems could just like threaten to not move forward any Biden bill until he cancels student loan debt

let alone the loving senate majority leader

its kabuki bullshit and the rubes fall for it every time

A lot of stuff is explained by the realization that liberals view being a politician as just a profession.

To them, the idea of threatening to withhold a vote is basically like a lawyer threatening to set their office's records on fire if they don't take a particular case. It's seen as a bizarre thing that obviously isn't how people in the profession should behave.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


hey wow maybe you should've asked for healthcare more loudly before you went and died. we wouldn't have given it to you, but you know, show some initiative.

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

Nichael posted:

Thinking about my friend's "politics is Avengers now" theory, and the Breadtube tweet is another example of it:

https://twitter.com/OmniliberalChad/status/1382205187377438721?s=20

This person can't conceive of a political reality that doesn't involve putting all their favorite known personalities in easily identifiable categories. When they don't know one, they just assume they're part of "Breadtube" despite the fact that Dave Rubin is a turbo chud, and Donoteat is actually funny.

Just lol @ anybody who likes vaush

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Ytlaya posted:

A lot of stuff is explained by the realization that liberals view being a politician as just a profession.

To them, the idea of threatening to withhold a vote is basically like a lawyer threatening to set their office's records on fire if they don't take a particular case. It's seen as a bizarre thing that obviously isn't how people in the profession should behave.

I don't even think viewing it as a profession is necessarily bad. I think they fundamentally don't understand what politicians actually are. The actual vote for legislation is the least of what their job should entail. They should be avatars for popular movements, like Trump is, or like what Bernie was and then hosed over.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Bootleg Trunks posted:

Just lol @ anybody who likes vaush

he is a transphobe

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005


lmao

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

Cpt_Obvious posted:

How do Chinese propagandists spit hot fire and ours can't tie their shoes?

Ours are too busy writing children's books and RBG fanfics

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

I mean, he has a point. With the US pulling out it will take one,..er..two years for the Taliban to take the rest of the country back?

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

mastershakeman posted:

I forget this also screws over people who didn't go to college due to the cost, not sure how you can adjust for that. Probably can't. Maybe give everyone who didn't have loans 4 years worth of the public tuition at the flagship school in their state when they were 1in

lol whenever you're not being a weird racist you're just being a dumb piece of poo poo

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

loquacius posted:

It's cool that that guy's job is just to shitpost on Twitter all day

but enough about Donald J. Trump

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

How do Chinese propagandists spit hot fire and ours can't tie their shoes?

what would ours spit fire about? we are a country with no vision, no plans, no hope for the future

human garbage bag
Jan 8, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Nichael posted:

the question should be boiled down to "is education a human right?" of course the answer is yes, so it follows that profiting off of it is immoral.

learning how to weave baskets underwater is a human right :hmmyes:

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

Vaush is the family guy of the American left

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

quote:

Calling a black woman a slaver is exceptionally gross. User loses posting privileges for 6 hours.

lol

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

To be fair, it is pretty impossible to do reparations for race-based chattel slavery without using race.

The chattel slavery wasn't race-based though. And if you are omitting current living decedents of slavery based on "race", you are just a racist, but "woke."

Ultimately reparations are about an official acknowledgement of slavery, combined with a great equalization of wealth to those families that were both enslaved and also those who were ground up by the same system even if they themselves weren't slaves. The rhetorical trick that comfortable black and white politicians do is take the acknowledgement part and emphasize it over the redistributive part, and then use racism to pit the victims of slavery against each other as if only a nebulous subset of slave descendants are the only ones "worthy" of reparations.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013


lmao

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

loquacius posted:

I mean, to be fair, what I've heard is that if you DO things for a living you're labor and if you OWN things for a living you're bourgeois, but (a) I don't know if that's exactly what he's talking about and (b) the professional-managerial class is bougie as gently caress

The PMC is petite-bourgeois. But yes it stupid to use income alone to define class.

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

The correct term is slavery with american characteristics

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

Slaver kamala is visiting the concentration camps today

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

i dont trust any current politician to use reparations as anything other then an excuse for why better things arent possible. At best reparations is just means testing, but woke (and inevitably racist as gently caress).

My opinion on monetary racial reparations has changed some over time. Even ignoring the whole "determining who is black" issue, my problem with monetary reparations is that it's completely pointless to split up monetary/material reparations by race (or any other demographic other than wealth itself). When it comes to something like wealth, you can very easily see the net sum influence of a person's various privileges/disadvantages just by looking at their wealth/assets. A black person will have less wealth than a white person all other things equal, but a wealthy black person obviously had that disadvantage offset by other good fortune (and a poor white person had their racial advantages offset by other poor fortune). There's no reason not to just give monetary reparations to all poor people.

The idea of racial monetary reparations essentially implies that, outside of racial discrepancies, wealth distribution is mostly fair. It's technically better than nothing (since at least you're giving something to a bunch of people), but it's not the way such a thing should be done.

Put another way, it's a pointless (at best) exercise trying to determine who "deserves" their wealth/assets, because the answer is "no one does - everyone should be equally provided for."

Nix Panicus posted:

Idiots still believe there are good republicans out there.

The amusing thing is that the people these people think might be "good Republicans" are unquestionably worse than the Republicans they consider "deplorables."

Like, if you had to pick between some random upper-middle class Never-Trumper and poor/working class "white trash," the latter is unquestionably preferable. The latter often don't have any sort of actual commitment to Republican ideas/policies and are acting solely based off of a cultural dislike of liberals.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
I thought Kamala was indian-american. did it change?

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Salean posted:

The correct term is slavery with american characteristics

it's only slavery if it's from the slavery region of america (all of america)

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