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The technical limitations make getting around Okinawa a little rough, but I liked the look and feel of it and would love to traipse around a modern gen version of it, preferably with less emphasis on battling street toughs and more helping the villagers with their island woes Judgement 2: Yagami's Island Vacation when, do it Sega you cowards
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I finally finished 6. Gotta be the biggest gap I'll ever have between "buy hotly-anticipated game at launch" and "complete hotly-anticipated game" Y6: The ending is extremely bittersweet, but drat I loved the parallel between Haruto and Kiryu's steps. I will never get over this series' ability to take me from "who the gently caress are these goobers, I don't want to spend time with these very dumb men" to "I love these Hiroshima dummies with all my heart" in a relatively short period of time
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ALFbrot posted:I finally finished 6. Gotta be the biggest gap I'll ever have between "buy hotly-anticipated game at launch" and "complete hotly-anticipated game"  I understand that Kiryu's story is finished but I would also play a continuation of it in which he roams from town to town, schooling small time goober gangs in the honorable ways of the old school yakuza or whatever it is Kiryu believes in, I never actually quite fully internalized that part of his ideology because yakuza all seem like scumbags to me but it seemed like a big deal to him
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That's pretty much what he does in Like A Dragon
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ALFbrot posted:I will never get over this series' ability to take me from "who the gently caress are these goobers, I don't want to spend time with these very dumb men" to "I love these Hiroshima dummies with all my heart" in a relatively short period of time yessssss. its like every game they do it and it owns.
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Jerusalem posted:hanging out in Okinawa and looking after the kids at the orphanage is actually fun! For me the reason Yakuza 3 works at all is that so much of the early game is spent at Dragon Day Care, teaching the kids to be empathetic and compassionate, so that when you get these scenes of Kanda throwing actual temper tantrums in the Tojo HQ board room, or the final boss who looked up to Daigo Dojima, Sixth Chairman, the guy who fought two other legendary yakuza in as many chapters and survived, but treats him with contempt for having the audacity to get shot and go into a coma.
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No, Ono Michio! You're supposed to be an icon for the children!
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ALFbrot posted:I finally finished 6. Gotta be the biggest gap I'll ever have between "buy hotly-anticipated game at launch" and "complete hotly-anticipated game" How did you like the secret of Onomichi?
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Okay, LaD plot took another swerve. I'm curious, i don't want to start grinding to level up my characters until i have a full roster, when does this happen? I'm at the start of Chapter 9.
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twistedmentat posted:Okay, LaD plot took another swerve. The full roster is seven people, and one of them is technically optional. You get the last non-optional one in chapter 11.
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It's not so much about the honorable ways of old school yakuza and more of a personal set of beliefs and convictions burned into him by Shintaro Kazama. Kiryu idolized that man and sought to emulate the great person he saw him as, but in reality Kazama was a man of many failings and the idealized version of Yakuza that Kiryu believes in doesn't exist. Shintaro even says something to the affect in one of the games that Kiryu "is no yakuza" and he's absolutely right. As a person Kiryu is something greater than what the yakuza are, but in his mind he believes all yakuza should strive to uphold that level of excellence yet the core nature of organized crime is opposed to that.
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I've been playing 0 and 1 on PS4...how well are the KBM controls on PC? Don't have an issue sticking with PS4 but obviously have a lot more power in the PC. E: I could get a bluetooth adapter but meh DanielCross posted:
Solves that one, thanks! Hot Diggity! fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Apr 14, 2021 23:26
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 This image displays on startup on all the PC ports, so take that as you will.
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Hot Diggity! posted:I've been playing 0 and 1 on PS4...how well are the KBM controls on PC? Don't have an issue sticking with PS4 but obviously have a lot more power in the PC. You should just be able to pop your dual shock controller into your PC's USB port and use that. That's what I've been doing, but I started so long ago I can't remember if I had to do anything special to set it up.
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goblin week posted:How did you like the secret of Onomichi? I actually really liked it! It's repeatedly brought up that shipbuilding is Onomichi's very lifeblood, and I like the fakeout that you expect the Secret to be some kind of powerful weapon, but when it's revealed, it hadn't been kept secret to be deployed at the right time, but because what was once going to be the absolute jewel and pride of a nation is now an enormous, shameful millstone to a culture that has moved on. I've had some (extremely limited) experience with the Japanese defense industry, and I know there's a lot of pride in the idea that they no longer make or export weapons of war, merely weapons of defense (regardless of the actual truth to that idea). So the sudden reveal of a massive battle platform, stacked to the tits with massive guns, would be a massive national shock and embarrassment, without even mentioning the decades of insane corruption and crime that went into its production and subsequent concealment. I will say, though, that it's pretty wild that they somehow rigged this incredibly important, don't-ever-reveal secret up in a manner that allowed one dude to just launch the motherfucker with one pull of a lever. Break the lever off or something! Fill the room with concrete, gently caress!
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Ainsley McTree posted:You should just be able to pop your dual shock controller into your PC's USB port and use that. That's what I've been doing, but I started so long ago I can't remember if I had to do anything special to set it up. Steam has a setting where you can check a box for DS4 support, then you plug in the controller and it Just Works. A lot of games will probably still show XBox prompts though, especially older games that were lazy direct console ports. vV Yep, the Yakuza games show the PS4 prompts, probably because they were originally PS4 games! King Vidiot fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Apr 15, 2021 |
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King Vidiot posted:Steam has a setting where you can check a box for DS4 support, then you plug in the controller and it Just Works. A lot of games will probably still show XBox prompts though, especially older games that were lazy direct console ports. Yeah that's super frustrating, because xbox and ps4 controllers both have an X button, but it is not in the same place! I'm....pretty sure all the yakuza games have PS prompts? I feel like an insane person for not remembering, considering I just spent 4 months of my life playing the entire series back to back. I'm like 99% sure it does ALFbrot posted:I actually really liked it! it looked like it was in great shape, too, they must have had crews performing regular cleaning and maintenance
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So what was with LAD being a standard JRPG, gameplay wise? That shift was quite a turnoff.
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Hmm I guess with a new protagonist they were trying something a bit different, a small part of me misses the old brawler style. I love myself a good JRPG but I guess I prefer characters to have more defined roles as opposed to a jobs system to grind out overall.
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They teased it as an April Fool’s joke and it was so well received that they went for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noioqCv92hM
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Flesnolk posted:So what was with LAD being a standard JRPG, gameplay wise? That shift was quite a turnoff. They’re getting tired of making serviceable brawlers with RPG elements after making thirteen of them, OP
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Flesnolk posted:So what was with LAD being a standard JRPG, gameplay wise? That shift was quite a turnoff. It owns extremely hard
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Jesus, I thought I was prepared for my first shareholder meeting but got crushed due to time pressure (and my kid yelling in my ear). Once I select a shareholder and an employee I need to hit triangle right? Mash it til empty or what?
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LaD was good but I hope they hit their stride in terms of storyline. I found mid to late game boring, and stopped caring about the characters halfway through. Adachi is cool, but not as much as Date, and I had hoped for much more from Nanba. I still liked the game and really got into the turn based stuff as well. I’ll buy a sequel for sure.
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I finished LAD last night. Good ending, up with the best. Enjoyed the turn based a lot more than I thought I would, but did end up spamming a lot of the same moves. I think more variance in what the enemy was weak to or could block would have made it a little more engaging, as it was 'ok it's the big dudes these 2 guys should spam their 1,000 damage blade moves' etc started to get old. Maybe there was an extra layer of strategy, but if so it was too well hidden for me to engage with it. The level gating had some cracks - i think if an enemy is under your level they can barely damage you at all, but if they're over your level their attacks are full power. I didn't find attack power jumped much with the characters level crossing thresholds. It made for some odd moments - I was level 61 in the final fight (where he's level 60) and was barely taking a scratch, and I hadn't intended to grind. The game was either piss easy where I could play with my eyes closed or genuinely super difficult and drawn out. Not much in-between unfortunately. It seems like the intended difficulty is about 5 levels below any given boss, but you've got no way of knowing what that should be. I found the older games had a much better difficulty balance. Story wise I'd say it's top 3, but after I completed it I did have a skim through the cutscenes section to remind myself what had happened in the early game. Took a long time to build up stream. cubicle gangster fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Apr 15, 2021 |
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mastershakeman posted:Jesus, I thought I was prepared for my first shareholder meeting but got crushed due to time pressure (and my kid yelling in my ear). It's a two-step process. 1. Select a shareholder and a screen will pop up that shows their "shields" and their colour. When you then move your cursor over one of your employees who is the right colour to counter the shareholder's colour, it should pop up a little "weak!" marker - that's how you know who to use. Hit the shareholder once with an employee they're weak to and all their shields will be removed. 2. Once the shareholder's shields have been removed, you should then see a "counter chance" marker on the left of the screen that tells you what colour employee to hit them with to do extra damage. Note that this can be different to the employee colour from step 1. Hit them over and over with the right-coloured employee until they're defeated. Using the "promote" and "train" options from the employee screen is very useful for the employees you intend to bring to the shareholder meetings - don't rely on low-level employees or natural levelling-up to do it. There's a guide with pictures here in case that's unclear.
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I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy.
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy. You are only seeing half of who and what Kiryu is in the main story. Kiryu IS a super dedicated, relentless, criminal with a heart of gold who solves problems by punching them into submission. But he is also a goofball who gets WAY too invested in racing slot cars, or baseball and especially Karaoke. Kiryu is very outwardly stoic, but inside he is just this huge ball of fluffy emotion, as represented by his iconic gray suit covering a red shirt.
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They have very different energies for sure. I think my initial impression of him when I started the series with 0 was "I can't wait to get back to Majima" but he definitely grew on me throughout the series. He's kind of like a lawful good paladin, in that he's this unbending stoic warrior who wades through the corrupt viper's nest that is the yakuza, converting people to his cause by benevolently punching them into seeing the light. The substories also get a lot of mileage out of his personality because he's completely out of his depth when dealing with nuanced social interactions and is kind of a loveable dumbass in those lower-stakes dramas. By the end of Kiwami 1, he attains a kind of legendary status that puts everyone in awe, and I think he gets more interesting after that, because the game very much recognizes this status and everyone reacts to it accordingly. Also by that point, it becomes the story of a man who just wants to turn his back on yakuza bullshit and spend time with his orphans, but the gravitational pull of his legend keeps dragging him back in. He's a bit one-note, but they play the note well and consistently and I think it works, but it does take a while before you start to care, I think. It's also fun to see how they make him increasingly invincible in cutscenes, to the point where he's just straight up blocking punches with his face and not flinching, which is a fun contrast to LAD, where no one member of Ichiban's crew could ever go toe-to-toe with him or any of the yakuza protagonists, but their bonds of friendship give them an edge.
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy.
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy. keep playing. he had me at "dropkicked a dude out of a window" but yeah keep playing
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy. Ichiban and Kiryu are similar in a lot of ways, but they do bring different energies. I'm going to quote myself from a while back when we were talking about something similar before; SiKboy posted:Oh god no. Kiryu and Ichiban are both Gods Perfect Idiots. But Kiryu is the straightman, Ichiban the goofy one. Still a comic dynamic, but a different one. Kiryu is basically just trying to get through his day, and solve his yakuza adjacent problems, but goofy poo poo keeps getting in his way and hes too good a dude to say "I dont have time for your crazy bullshit right now". I still stand by that statement. They're both great, but no, Kiryu is not Ichiban, never will be. Hes much more stoic and focused, and generally less expressive. But that doesnt mean hes boring either. He's a genuinely good dude whose upbringing and personality leave him entirely unprepared for pretty much any human interaction outside the sphere of "doing a yakuza", but he's willing to try and help anyone, any time, and is basically incapable of giving any activity less than 150% intensity. Literally physically incapable of half-assing anything, regardless of importance, indignity or aptitude. And hes not devoid of a sense of humor either, its just extremely dry at times. A wry chuckle where ichiban was leg slapping laughter. Do some side stuff with him, you'll see what I mean. The first boss you've not had a chance to see the substory side of kiryu, only the main quest side of him, and much like ichiban you see a different side of him when hes helping passers by with their random-rear end bullshit than when hes dealing with serious crime drama. I'd say his general dynamic is "the last sane man", the sensible, dignified man thrown into a goofy, undignified situation and trying to get through it as best he can.
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ALFbrot posted:Y6: The ending is extremely bittersweet, but drat I loved the parallel between Haruto and Kiryu's steps. This part got actual, real drat tears out of me
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy. Yeah, Kiryu is really awkwardly shoehorned into the game. He saves Watase, a man who needs no saving, from a random knife-wielder. He stops Ichiban from punching a man to death in a really out-of-character-for-Ichiban scene. He says some platitudes to Ichiban. "Think of what your enemy doesn't want you to do and then do that" - oh wow, thank you oh Zen master. Add to this that his English voice actor is so painfully outclassed by everyone in Ichiban's crew and the game would've been better had he not showed up at all.
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MonstrousMouse posted:I played Like a Dragon and fell in love with Ichiban and his crew, so afterwards I was curious enough to try out Yakuza 0. Just beat the first boss. The brawling is fun, but Kiryu feels like a pretty big step down in terms of personality. He's serious, unexpressive, and just sort of boring. I know I'm only a couple chapters into the game - in other words, a few hours into a saga spanning hundreds of hours - so he has a long time to grow on you, but so far I have no idea why all the fans love this guy. It’s because he’s basically never not serious and stoic, which extends from the epic crime drama to the upteen substories. Tbh I actually found myself missing Kiryu most of the time a substory came up because his stoic perpetual brick face works much better than the batshit substories than Ichiban’s normal rear end.
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ALFbrot posted:I finally finished 6. Gotta be the biggest gap I'll ever have between "buy hotly-anticipated game at launch" and "complete hotly-anticipated game" this karaoke track is only available in new game+, which is a shame because it's basically the perfect coda to the entire kiryu saga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiArX5fa8MM
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Oxxidation posted:this karaoke track is only available in new game+, which is a shame because it's basically the perfect coda to the entire kiryu saga I went digging in the comments for english lyrics so the rest of you don't have to English: Late night, 2am, a regular loop Whatever you’re dreaming An unconscious squeeze from the small love at my fingertip How far can we see? How long can we go on? The calendar relentlessly advances Zero-grip hands are weak, they can’t hold on They surely won’t notice Let go of this hand, come out from behind my back I will protect those I love Once a crybaby, once a coward now standing shakily on your own two feet When is it coming? Goodbye is coming There’s no next day on the calendar In this ugly world stained with lies an evil wind is blowing But face it head-on because in a small way you can do right by someone However far you see, however long you live Whatever you dream Zero-grip hands are dirty but warm It’s okay, this hand can let go of my hand, come out from behind my back These are hands that protect those they love
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