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Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

In Southern Illinois (Methingham), there are still Trump signs and flags found in different places but not as much.

What shocked me was that the giant sign that said “FARMERS NEED TRUMP NOT HIDIN’ BIDEN” has been taken down.

Pekin isn't central IL?

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xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

I drove through Pekin once (like 6 years ago now but I doubt it's changed much), and the thing that got me is that many small Illinois towns (especially in the north half of the state) have managed to turn their main street into a really inviting shopping area with tourist trap boutiques and some cool restaurants. Pekin looked like it went "nah, boarded up is the style we prefer."

I guess no one there realized if you make your place a good day trip for Chicago yuppies it's a license to print money.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


I live in a very boomer neighborhood in Central IL and there are some Pritzker Sucks and support are police signs, but even before the election there weren't any Trump flags I can remember

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

xzzy posted:

I drove through Pekin once (like 6 years ago now but I doubt it's changed much), and the thing that got me is that many small Illinois towns (especially in the north half of the state) have managed to turn their main street into a really inviting shopping area with tourist trap boutiques and some cool restaurants. Pekin looked like it went "nah, boarded up is the style we prefer."

I guess no one there realized if you make your place a good day trip for Chicago yuppies it's a license to print money.

Never heard of Pekin, IL before. I decided to go into street view on maps, and yeah that checks out

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Eeyo posted:

Never heard of Pekin, IL before. I decided to go into street view on maps, and yeah that checks out



Nah; I don't think you can discuss Pekin without mentioning Derby Street, the most Pekin part of Pekin. Last time I was there, there's the big milsurp store, a couple other gun/pawn shops, a bait shop, a liquor store . . .




The far side of the milsurp store has a cockpit/nosecone of a helicopter on it:


It's just a delightful place. For, uh, certain values of the word. Prices are good though, so I just make sure not to talk to anyone and grunt and/or laugh in a noncommittal fashion to anything political. Been a LONG time since I was in there, though.

Post poste
Mar 29, 2010
I live in Peoria, and have helped with mutual aid work in Peoria Heights, Peoria and Pekin.
Can confirm everything here is dogshit.

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
Moved out to Portland from Chicago at the beginning of the year and my gay husband and I were at mount hood, about an hour out from portland, and a clerk mentioned he was moving back to Illinois. Unfortunately, my partner engaged—with mentioning the Chicago part in his defense—but the clerk-from-y’all-can-guess-where launched into a five minute rant about how portlanders, blm, antifa, and liberals leftists socialists and communists, oh my, were ruining Oregon and he couldn’t wait to get back to “corn and rednecks.” Feel like he should move to a state without any real urban presence, but maybe he was missing being racist while ranting about his state’s city?

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

I’ve spent a lot of time in NW IL because I have family there, and I’ve never really noticed anything crazy racist that way. Like I can’t remember any confederate flags or barns painted with crazy poo poo. Maybe things really do change south of 80.

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

Post poste posted:

I live in Peoria, and have helped with mutual aid work in Peoria Heights, Peoria and Pekin.
Can confirm everything here is dogshit.

Oh god im so sorry. I hate Peoria, I hate the stupid college there, its entire existence upsets me. Oneworld and Fieldhouse are an ok time though...

Pekin is just on another level of awful though. I have friends who grew up there and they are some grim, morbid people.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Zarin posted:


The far side of the milsurp store has a cockpit/nosecone of a helicopter on it:


lol that's the very tail end of an old B-52 (they had tail guns before the H model)

Source4Leko
Jul 25, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

Bird in a Blender posted:

I’ve spent a lot of time in NW IL because I have family there, and I’ve never really noticed anything crazy racist that way. Like I can’t remember any confederate flags or barns painted with crazy poo poo. Maybe things really do change south of 80.

I spent a lot of time in NW Illinois about 10 years ago and they're good at hiding it just like people in the burbs are.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
I live like 20-30 minutes from Pekin but have been there... Twice? In over twenty years? Once because it was the last theater showing Fury Road and once... I dunno why.

It's a place I try to ignore, and.... It's kinda easy to do so tbh

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Forrest on Fire posted:

Oh god im so sorry. I hate Peoria, I hate the stupid college there, its entire existence upsets me. Oneworld and Fieldhouse are an ok time though...

I've never understood the love for One World. I've only been to Field House like 3 times and it just seems aggressively unmemorable.

I'm curious what Bradley did to you though hahaha.

I think Peoria, for me, died when Richard's closed. Those burgers were better than they had any right to be.

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

Zarin posted:

I've never understood the love for One World. I've only been to Field House like 3 times and it just seems aggressively unmemorable.

I'm curious what Bradley did to you though hahaha.

I think Peoria, for me, died when Richard's closed. Those burgers were better than they had any right to be.

Bradley's got a speech team that should be shut down for like, six hundred illegal things. A sibling went there, failed out, and took my whole college fund with them is the real reason though lol.


One world has the only not terrible coffee in the area. If I'm getting food in Peoria it's probably at the Avantis right across from it.

Silly Newbie
Jul 25, 2007
How do I?
While south of 80 is The South, I did run into a bunch of literal nazis at District in Rockford one time.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

I spent my elementary school days in Pekin, then moved away before middle school, so I was apparently largely oblivious to its atmosphere.

Lager
Mar 9, 2004

Give me the secret to the anti-puppet equation!

Silly Newbie posted:

While south of 80 is The South, I did run into a bunch of literal nazis at District in Rockford one time.

I mean Rockford's schools were still segregated in the late 80s and it didn't get "resolved" until I graduated high school in the early 00s. From what I've heard, the schools have been getting resegregated ever since the lawsuit ended.

Jows
May 8, 2002

Lager posted:

I mean Rockford's schools were still segregated in the late 80s and it didn't get "resolved" until I graduated high school in the early 00s. From what I've heard, the schools have been getting resegregated ever since the lawsuit ended.

Schools nationwide are more segregated now than when Brown vs Board of Ed was decided.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Forrest on Fire posted:

Bradley's got a speech team that should be shut down for like, six hundred illegal things.
Hey speechie! But only highschool, where Bradley was the big tournament early in the year.

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

HootTheOwl posted:

Hey speechie! But only highschool, where Bradley was the big tournament early in the year.

That's got to be the most suspect tournament I've judged.

It's rigged. Like, they went through the trouble to literally rig multiple events at their speech tournament.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Forrest on Fire posted:

That's got to be the most suspect tournament I've judged.

It's rigged. Like, they went through the trouble to literally rig multiple events at their speech tournament.

You will not take this weird mug trophy away from me!

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

HootTheOwl posted:

You will not take this weird mug trophy away from me!

Hah! And touch the literal lead paint in there? No, please, I have enough of those. Take pleasure in your HI final! The people running the tournament are skeezy!

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
Thought the Illinois quiz bowl community was odd, but I have no idea what any of this means

Forrest on Fire
Nov 23, 2012

Pontius Pilate posted:

Thought the Illinois quiz bowl community was odd, but I have no idea what any of this means

Oh, speech is combining the standoff attitude of debate and the willingness to claw each other's eyes out of theater.

Bradley Speech is a collegiate speech team out of the Peoria college. They think of themselves as the Notre Dame of speech. They were up until 2018 run by known sex pests and were pretty awful to their students. The program holds a yearly college and yearly high school speech tournament named after former directors of the Bradley program.

They call themselves BUST (Bradley University Speech Team) And when I say "like Notre Dame" I mean they unironically say "#BUSTTILDUST" in front of other people.

None of this even begins to explain speech but this is the IL politics thread not the IL forensics thread.

DTaeKim
Aug 16, 2009

Pontius Pilate posted:

Thought the Illinois quiz bowl community was odd, but I have no idea what any of this means

Really? I was a member of quiz bowl in high school back in the 2000s but this is news to me.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

Looks like we're losing a congressional seat. I hope the dems make sure it's an R seat.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Bird in a Blender posted:

Looks like we're losing a congressional seat. I hope the dems make sure it's an R seat.
All signs point to Davis or LaHood getting hosed over and I'm here for it.

CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
IL dems are much more ruthless in terms of stacking the deck than national dems, I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

by vyelkin
The early talk was Miller's seat going. We shall see though.

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

Djarum posted:

The early talk was Miller's seat going. We shall see though.

The Dems should gerrymander the Illinois Nazi into a swing seat for an easy win

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


https://twitter.com/royalpratt/status/1387872263765172225

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004


God what a stupid thing to get pinched for. I hope they go HAM and clean house up in Chicago, and the whole state. It needs it badly.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/jmetr22b/status/1387884443193520129?s=20

and another one

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


loving corrupt assholes!

Which is it:
Only corrupt assholes decide to run for office

Or

The office makes these people into corrupt assholes.

In the end, it does not matter but this stuff just really irks me (as a high school government teacher).

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004


That one's not so surprising.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

loving corrupt assholes!

Which is it:
Only corrupt assholes decide to run for office

Or

The office makes these people into corrupt assholes.

In the end, it does not matter but this stuff just really irks me (as a high school government teacher).

Yes. You have to 'do your time' in the party and work your way up over years (barring the rare outsider election), and in Chicago that means you work for corrupt people, and you can't play in the mud without getting a little on yourself. They don't want reformers in office cuz then poo poo like this happens, so they groom people who are like themselves, shut out what do-gooders and crusaders they can, and the cycle continues.

Solanumai
Mar 26, 2006

It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

loving corrupt assholes!

Which is it:
Only corrupt assholes decide to run for office

Or

The office makes these people into corrupt assholes.

In the end, it does not matter but this stuff just really irks me (as a high school government teacher).

It's both, but also a kind of self fulfilling prophecy. I like this old Hitchhikers Guide quote on the topic of leaders/politicians:


quote:

The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

The real question to figure out is what they did to get kicked out of the club and draw law enforcement attention.

They're all doing it.. but only these ones get indicted? :thunk:

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

xzzy posted:

The real question to figure out is what they did to get kicked out of the club and draw law enforcement attention.

They're all doing it.. but only these ones get indicted? :thunk:

The local FBI gets bored, throws a dart at a board with various names on it, opens up an investigation with a cool sounding name like 'Operation Silver Shovel' and goes to town every few years.

Alternately, these are the greedy dumb old fucks who do stuff on their phones because they don't understand technology and privacy.

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The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

I've lived in this city for 39 years and seen a lot more than 3 go down. This reporter needs to read the history of city council.

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