DOMDOM posted:

LinkedIn says he's still the director of community engagement but when is the last time he engaged the community?

Kosumo posted:

And Ben made the toilet unusable for hours.

And lost a spaceship seat.

Aerox posted:

It’s the year 3000 and we’ve mastered space travel, but unfortunately we still haven’t figured out how to get more than 5 movies on the android tablet shoved into your seat or develop a machine to automatically measure and pour drinks.

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

And computers / server blades have to be continuously maintained and babysat.

Jonny Shiloh posted:

And we still have "server blades" and "computers" LOL

Star Citizer lore sucks so much.

Thoatse posted:

Aerox posted:

It’s the year 3000 and we’ve mastered space travel, but unfortunately we still haven’t figured out how to get more than 5 movies on the android tablet shoved into your seat or develop a machine to automatically measure and pour drinks.

ShallNoiseUpon posted:

Lammasu posted:

Can someone tell me, or at least point out where in the archives, what it was like when goons started to turn against Star Citizen? Like how long did it take? Was their like a civil war or did everyone agree in mass that it was hosed?

Scruffpuff posted:

I think it was some time in 2014 where some eyebrows were getting raised. In 2015 the July Blog, regardless of what anyone thinks of Derek, did in fact appear to get right under CIG's skin and kicked off the funniest times I remember with this trainwreck, where CIG was committing insane numbers of back-to-back unforced errors, and were literally responding in real time to the poo poo posted in this thread, right down to patching the game files as we pointed out their plagiarized art. I miss those crazy times. Beer's email exchange with Sandi threw even more gasoline on those flames. Those who were already not sure about the project saw CIG unmasked during this time, and not everyone was happy that our misgivings turned out to be 100% justified. But we didn't turn all at once. I'd say if you took 2015 as a whole, it took most of that year for the pie chart to switch from 75% good faith to 75% doubter, with the remaining 25% in both cases split between uncertain people giving them the benefit of the doubt, and a small number of die hards. To this day there are one or two people who still repeat the company line verbatim and treat CIG as a game development company, saying things like "in the latest patch, this vehicle is flyable, new missions are in" etc. despite the fact that those phrases mean very, very different things in Star Citizen vs. literally any other pre-alpha product.

There are still many of us, myself included, who bought into this project, if even just the starter package (which is what I bought.) Very early on, the starter package included a very impressive tutorial that I played and it got me genuinely excited about the project. That code and associated gameplay experience is long, long gone, and in retrospect I doubt CIG actually built it. When the refund cascade began and CIG feared a run on the bank, they released the "PU" as "proof" they delivered, used it as an excuse to deny refunds, but that disastrous release is the rotten foundation that poisoned the heart of the project permanently. To this day we're saddled with that defective code - what came before was very different and looked like it could turn to something one day.

Even after that release the "game" still functioned to some degree, this was the golden era of videos, but CIG, I suspect using those very videos as a guide, dismantled what little functionality and fun remained in the project and turned it into the unmitigated, anti-fun disaster it remains to this day.

MedicineHut posted:

How much you guys think these DF commandos are exactly in for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUFcerTa6Ho

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I find it interesting the amount of heat this studio has taken for the long development of this game. In the same time period, major game studios have gone from king of the hill to utter trash in the eyes of consumers. Games are being released half baked left and right and CIG are quietly ticking away in the background polishing and taking their time with every aspect of the game. Patience and passion are qualities which have generally been sacrificed for quick cash in this industry. It is a very different/old school approach to game design and I am excited for the outcome.

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Awesome video! As en Environment Artist myself I have long wondered HOW they manage to achieve that level of detail while still having adequate performance.

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I used to think this game was vapourware but now I realise what's involved I understand the timescale. And I appreciate that because it will give me enough time to build and insane immersive rig.

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Yeah, the game gets tons of flak but i dont think people understand what is being done and the scale it's being done on finding ways to do everything the SC devs are takes a lot of time and the result is a level of detail no other game has ever come close to.

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Regardless of your feelings on Star Citizen as a game you cannot deny the quality of their tech. It's truly amazing stuff.

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I just started playing this game a week ago and I am hooked. It is one of the BEST sims I've ever played.

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I used to be one of those people always making fun of Star Citizen as this eternal feature creep, development hell, early access expansive joke that would never see it's final release... I don't think it matters anymore. I'm now able to appreciate it for what it is. Now it's this entity... sort of playground for tech development that may even impact and assist development of other games. I never tried Star Citizen myself and may never try it, but I can appreciate for what it is now.

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So much this. Even if it "fails" the amount of tech that has been developed can be helped in other games. This is the same way we improve our technologies IRL. Some companies make the start, others finish it off.

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backed the game near the beginning, but haven't played it much as alpha-access games are too rough around the edges, and I don't want to feel done with a game and have my entire experience of it seem so lackluster.

Videos like this make me feel that the money was still well spent, and I look to jumping back in once the core tech is done and most of the bugs are squashed.

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this graphics and physics engine - a world engine, if you will - could be a potential game changer for a number of different industries, not just games. Imagine some studio licensing the engine and produce space drama like the Expanse entirely using this engine with just voice actors and animators. Or create and connect games of different franchises like Blade Runner and Alien in a single unified game space. Ridley Scott confirmed that those 2 franchises are indeed in a single universe so creating game or drama series to combine them in Star Citizen world is not too far fetched.

ErrEff posted:

I know the usual rule of thumb is "Don't read the comments" but in this case it can be amusing.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

How the gently caress is this sad scam still going on?

Dwesa posted:

And mess hall scene forever.

Is this a joke?
https://twitter.com/SquirtLagurski/status/1380256257622310917

smellmycheese posted:

Monetising neckbeards proved more lucrative and long term than even Crobbo’s wildest dreams

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I mean, I shouldn't be shocked by this given everything else that's happened in the last five years, but I am.

Thoatse posted:

Lammasu posted:

What was the Beer and Sandi email exchange about?

FishMcCool posted:

drat, that toastie posted by Thoatse looks tasty.

Pixelate posted:

There are links to the best email exchange ever here

Check VC's recap thread if you haven't seen. And spacetoaster had a drama thread but think the archive ate it. Doesn't show for me.

The Titanic posted:

I'd be curious to know some day if there was this growing tension between CR and Ben because it seems clear CR didn't care about wing commander more than using it as leverage to get money, which may not have been the impression Ben had when he got aboard the project.

SO CLOSE to elevators working! posted:

Fidelitious posted:

It absolutely makes sense to me.

To Ben, Chris was his idol. The guy that created the franchise that saved his eyesight. The link between the months and months that he was in recovery and Wing Commander is indelibly burned into his persona. That event has been driving his obsession with Wing Commander for decades.

He finally gets the opportunity to work with his hero on what Ben imagines to be the next incarnation of Wing Commander. Except over the years it turns out that Chris doesn't give 2 fucks about Wing Commander and mostly doesn't know what the hell Ben is talking about with all his obscure references. Ben bought into the idea that Chris wanted to make the next Wing Commander game, when really he was just extending his grifting experience in the film industry into the "interactive movie game" genre.

Ben probably kept trying to do 'game' things with Star Citizen which is a no-no with Chris, as well as loving up the spaceship designs. I suppose at some point the clash became too much and Ben gets sent to live on a farm upstate.

And this is how you end up with Alexis tweeting photos of Ben playing Wing Commander for the 400th time somewhere in Maryland while he gets paid 100k/year to keep his mouth shut.

You might say that Ben is living the dream, as CIG is currently paying him to apparently compile obscure weapons data from Wing Commander that absolutely no one cares about except Ben.

Zaphod42 posted:

Extra funny because most liquid cooling setups aren't actually more thermally efficient than air cooling setups. Heat pipes use phase transition and are way more effective than most gamers imagine.

But also yeah lol a skybox shouldn't require much CPU, even with some nice cloud particles.

Fidelitious posted:

It absolutely makes sense to me.

To Ben, Chris was his idol. The guy that created the franchise that saved his eyesight. The link between the months and months that he was in recovery and Wing Commander is indelibly burned into his persona. That event has been driving his obsession with Wing Commander for decades.

He finally gets the opportunity to work with his hero on what Ben imagines to be the next incarnation of Wing Commander. Except over the years it turns out that Chris doesn't give 2 fucks about Wing Commander and mostly doesn't know what the hell Ben is talking about with all his obscure references. Ben bought into the idea that Chris wanted to make the next Wing Commander game, when really he was just extending his grifting experience in the film industry into the "interactive movie game" genre.

Ben probably kept trying to do 'game' things with Star Citizen which is a no-no with Chris, as well as loving up the spaceship designs. I suppose at some point the clash became too much and Ben gets sent to live on a farm upstate.

And this is how you end up with Alexis tweeting photos of Ben playing Wing Commander for the 400th time somewhere in Maryland while he gets paid 100k/year to keep his mouth shut.

You might say that Ben is living the dream, as CIG is currently paying him to apparently compile obscure weapons data from Wing Commander that absolutely no one cares about except Ben.

trucutru posted:

Roombas, drink mixers, hard drivers, etc. exist but that's not the point. The point is to have someone poorer than you mop the floor, mix your drinks, fluff your pillow, and change your VHS tapes.

SC's backers are very clear about what they want, and CIG knows.

Scruffpuff posted:

I think it was some time in 2014 where some eyebrows were getting raised. In 2015 the July Blog, regardless of what anyone thinks of Derek, did in fact appear to get right under CIG's skin and kicked off the funniest times I remember with this trainwreck, where CIG was committing insane numbers of back-to-back unforced errors, and were literally responding in real time to the poo poo posted in this thread, right down to patching the game files as we pointed out their plagiarized art. I miss those crazy times. Beer's email exchange with Sandi threw even more gasoline on those flames. Those who were already not sure about the project saw CIG unmasked during this time, and not everyone was happy that our misgivings turned out to be 100% justified. But we didn't turn all at once. I'd say if you took 2015 as a whole, it took most of that year for the pie chart to switch from 75% good faith to 75% doubter, with the remaining 25% in both cases split between uncertain people giving them the benefit of the doubt, and a small number of die hards. To this day there are one or two people who still repeat the company line verbatim and treat CIG as a game development company, saying things like "in the latest patch, this vehicle is flyable, new missions are in" etc. despite the fact that those phrases mean very, very different things in Star Citizen vs. literally any other pre-alpha product.

There are still many of us, myself included, who bought into this project, if even just the starter package (which is what I bought.) Very early on, the starter package included a very impressive tutorial that I played and it got me genuinely excited about the project. That code and associated gameplay experience is long, long gone, and in retrospect I doubt CIG actually built it. When the refund cascade began and CIG feared a run on the bank, they released the "PU" as "proof" they delivered, used it as an excuse to deny refunds, but that disastrous release is the rotten foundation that poisoned the heart of the project permanently. To this day we're saddled with that defective code - what came before was very different and looked like it could turn to something one day.

Even after that release the "game" still functioned to some degree, this was the golden era of videos, but CIG, I suspect using those very videos as a guide, dismantled what little functionality and fun remained in the project and turned it into the unmitigated, anti-fun disaster it remains to this day.

Danknificent posted:

I think it's when Sandi said she had a bunch of postgrad degrees then showed like some receipts from Moto Mart as proof.

Scruffpuff posted:

I think it was some time in 2014 where some eyebrows were getting raised. In 2015 the July Blog, regardless of what anyone thinks of Derek, did in fact appear to get right under CIG's skin and kicked off the funniest times I remember with this trainwreck, where CIG was committing insane numbers of back-to-back unforced errors, and were literally responding in real time to the poo poo posted in this thread, right down to patching the game files as we pointed out their plagiarized art. I miss those crazy times. Beer's email exchange with Sandi threw even more gasoline on those flames. Those who were already not sure about the project saw CIG unmasked during this time, and not everyone was happy that our misgivings turned out to be 100% justified. But we didn't turn all at once. I'd say if you took 2015 as a whole, it took most of that year for the pie chart to switch from 75% good faith to 75% doubter, with the remaining 25% in both cases split between uncertain people giving them the benefit of the doubt, and a small number of die hards. To this day there are one or two people who still repeat the company line verbatim and treat CIG as a game development company, saying things like "in the latest patch, this vehicle is flyable, new missions are in" etc. despite the fact that those phrases mean very, very different things in Star Citizen vs. literally any other pre-alpha product.

There are still many of us, myself included, who bought into this project, if even just the starter package (which is what I bought.) Very early on, the starter package included a very impressive tutorial that I played and it got me genuinely excited about the project. That code and associated gameplay experience is long, long gone, and in retrospect I doubt CIG actually built it. When the refund cascade began and CIG feared a run on the bank, they released the "PU" as "proof" they delivered, used it as an excuse to deny refunds, but that disastrous release is the rotten foundation that poisoned the heart of the project permanently. To this day we're saddled with that defective code - what came before was very different and looked like it could turn to something one day.

Even after that release the "game" still functioned to some degree, this was the golden era of videos, but CIG, I suspect using those very videos as a guide, dismantled what little functionality and fun remained in the project and turned it into the unmitigated, anti-fun disaster it remains to this day.

The Titanic posted:

If I recall, it was sort of the "final boss fight" after Sandi had been positioning herself as the smartest person in the room for 5 years and people fed that belief.

She chose to go toe to toe in an email dispute with Beer4TheBeerGod and ended up losing fairly spectacularly, but I don't recall the exact details other than it was funny at the time.

This was basically what led to her leaving being a forward facing voice. CIG management retreated behind the big corporate face after this altercation, ne'er to be seen again basically.

Pixelate posted:

Sit rep

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Love how they think it's "SO CLOSE" when a software developer (with collision experience) will look at that and get scared shitless that it's FUBAR. That's not close. That's very, very far (considering it's what, 7 years old core engine bug they couldn't solve?)

Bronze Fonz posted:

This exchange?

https://udba.org/sc/ciglogic.txt