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The_Doctor posted:Someone offered to sell me the Ultima Machine prop from that recently, and I had to turn them down because it’s a bit out of my budget right now (plus I think it’s a bit overpriced). One of the topics of conversation last night was "I wonder what's happened to the ULTIMA machine prop" so uh that's that one answered
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Today's audio was Colditz. I liked this one - the time travel and historical elements were balanced very well and didn't feel like they were competing for the listener's attention. I'm only familiar with Klein from UNIT: Dominion, which I gather is the not evil version from the correct timeline, but she was an interesting character. The explanation of how her time travel worked off screen felt well explained without being too exposition heavy (and the nod to the alternative Eighth Doctor, at a time when they couldn't use the character was clever). One of the characters had a "wait, I know that voice" moment and hey, it was David Tennant, which is ironic in hindsight (especially when his accent kept slipping). The sound production was nice: the prison rooms felt suitably crowded, for example. The echo effect that was added in a few scenes was more distracting than atmospheric, and there was a moment where the music drowned out the dialogue, but I could picture this being made as a TV serial in 1989. McCoy going full chessmaster, playing mind games and getting under the skin of 7's enemies is always fun. Not sure about the big deal they make that Ace isn't going to use her nickname anymore at the end....when she goes straight back to using it.
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Apr 16, 2021 19:13
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Which McCoy/Ace audio follows Colditz? I have a feeling it’s The Rapture, which does have her using the McShane name.
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OldMemes posted:Today's audio was Colditz. I liked this one - the time travel and historical elements were balanced very well and didn't feel like they were competing for the listener's attention. I'm only familiar with Klein from UNIT: Dominion, which I gather is the not evil version from the correct timeline, but she was an interesting character. The explanation of how her time travel worked off screen felt well explained without being too exposition heavy (and the nod to the alternative Eighth Doctor, at a time when they couldn't use the character was clever). They did end up exploring Klein's history with "Johann Schmidt" (played by Paul McGann) in the one part ep "Klein's Story" included with "A Thousand Tiny Wings" https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-survival-of-the-fittest-297
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Apr 16, 2021 21:28
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Johann Schmidt might be the cruelest interpersonal thing the Doctor has ever done and that hugely contributes to Seven's guilt and anxiety in Dominion. Catfishing a woman in order to manipulate her into erasing herself from existence to fix a mistake you made is pretty miserable, even if she is a Nazi and the plan is to stop the Nazis
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Zaroff posted:I have a feeling it’s The Rapture Goddammit I'd successfully managed to forget that pile of poo poo existed. gently caress Joseph Lidster, his stories are always loving awful, pointless, needlessly cynical and lovely, and his terrible attempts at retcon are the only thing worse than Chibnall's Timeless Child bullshit. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Apr 17, 2021 |
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Apr 17, 2021 01:55
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Lidster's a very nice guy on Twitter but an absolutely awful writer.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:One of the topics of conversation last night was "I wonder what's happened to the ULTIMA machine prop" so uh that's that one answered Glad to help! 
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Apr 17, 2021 02:52
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OldMemes posted:Today's audio was Colditz. I liked this one - the time travel and historical elements were balanced very well and didn't feel like they were competing for the listener's attention. I'm only familiar with Klein from UNIT: Dominion, which I gather is the not evil version from the correct timeline, but she was an interesting character. The explanation of how her time travel worked off screen felt well explained without being too exposition heavy (and the nod to the alternative Eighth Doctor, at a time when they couldn't use the character was clever). There are a few things in this that are wrong -- Ace goes by McShane for quite a bit after this release, until the regime change at BF Towers, and Colditz has infamously poor sound design -- but BF definitely had access to Paul McGann at this point. They were in the middle of recording his second season! Jerusalem posted:Goddammit I'd successfully managed to forget that pile of poo poo existed. gently caress Joseph Lidster, his stories are always loving awful, pointless, needlessly cynical and lovely, and his terrible attempts at retcon are the only thing worse than Chibnall's Timeless Child bullshit. Nah, Lidster's great. The Rapture's not great, but everything else he's done is really good.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Nah, Lidster's great. The Rapture's not great, but everything else he's done is really good. Obviously opinions are subjective but I can't think of any Who story he wrote that didn't either make a completely pointless retcon or have a really lovely and awful "twist" where the bad guy secretly wins and the Doctor's victory was completely hollow and went nowhere. There is so much misery porn in what he writes, it's intensely offputting. The Rapture: Ace had a secret brother! This almost never comes up again and has absolutely no bearing on her as a character whatsoever. Also the bad guy wasn't really defeated and continues their evil scheme unhindered after the Doctor is gone. Master: The Doctor killed another child when when he was a kid and the Master got unfairly blamed for it, and their memories of doing this were switched in their heads by the literal personification of Death for.... reasons?. Terror Firma: It turns out the Doctor had two prior companions who were captured, experimented on and turned into living slaves of the Daleks. The Doctor's memory of them was wiped entirely, and their appearance and the horrible and utterly pointless monstrous treatment they receive achieves absolutely nothing. Also like 98% of the population of Earth gets wiped out and a giant metal circle gets put around the planet and then at the end everybody just kind of shrugs and goes,"Okay let's just go back to normal?" The Reaping: Peri goes home and spends a 5 minute scene hiding in a closet quietly sobbing as she listens to her mother and best friend casually talk about how much they hate her and were glad she was gone. This has no bearing whatsoever on anything else in the story and never gets referenced again. Then Peri decides to stay on Earth, then HER MOTHER JUST GETS RANDOMLY BLOWN UP and so she decides to go back to traveling with the Doctor what the loving Christ!?! The Gathering is the one exception, and it's not because of any quality of Lidster as a writer but because Janet Fielding loving owns and she manages to make the misery porn of Lidster deciding to give Tegan cancer into a believable reaction from her character, plus it leads to a magnificent scene where the Doctor is told she probably had a crush on him, he asks her about it and she just bursts out laughing at him. 100: The Doctor saves a family from a horrible curse, lifting a dark and miserable experience from their family line. He leaves, satisfied he has saved them.... at which point the villain returns to cackle and taunt the horrified survivors that actually he wasn't stopped at all and now he'll be free to continue to torment them for eternity and nobody will ever know and the Doctor will never come back to save them the end no moral. I reiterate my earlier point: gently caress Joseph Lidster. I know if I ever see a Doctor Who story by him, it's going to be pointlessly cruel and lovely and more than likely have some big "earth-shaking revelation" that never comes up again or has any bearing on any of the characters whatsoever. I think I heard he actually, somehow against all reason, made Torchwood for Big Finish be good? Which, if I remember that right, good for him, and I hope he stays there and never comes back to the Who range. Edit: That said, at least he's not Philip Martin writing his weird-rear end sexual transformation fetishes into his stories. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 17, 2021 |
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Jerusalem posted:I reiterate my earlier point: gently caress Joseph Lidster. I know if I ever see a Doctor Who story by him, it's going to be pointlessly cruel and lovely and more than likely have some big "earth-shaking revelation" that never comes up again or has any bearing on any of the characters whatsoever. I think I heard he actually, somehow against all reason, made Torchwood for Big Finish be good? Which, if I remember that right, good for him, and I hope he stays there and never comes back to the Who range. I'm gonna throw it out there that several of these were mandated by Gary Russell (e.g. Terror Firma and The Rapture), and that it's really down to the script editors (Russell, then later Alan Barnes) for not following through on these decisions. Decisions that they made! The original version of The Rapture was about Peri and the Fifth Doctor attending a UNIT Christmas party! The script for episode one's survived and is floating around out there, and it's about as fluffy as you'd expect. Lidster likes to writer emotional wringers, sure, but a) there's nothing wrong with that and b) moving away from aggressively trad who is pretty good tbh. I mean, have you heard Briggs' Dalek Universe Exxilon prequel? wtf was that garbage.
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Gary Russell has a lot to answer for then  Moving away from aggressively traditional is good.... if the story is good. Aggressively traditional stories are also good... if they're good! The problem with like 95% of the Lidster stories I've read is that they're not good. When every story I've encountered with his name on it has been full of miserable bullshit and pointless retcons, there has to come a point where the common denominator overrides all the other factors. Again though, this has been my personal reaction to all of his stories. If people enjoy them, more power to them. I just can't stand anything he's written outside of The Gathering which is fully carried by Janet Fielding's force of personality.
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The_Doctor posted:Glad to help! Do you have any information on where the head of the lead haemovore is (the more detailed one that has flappy gills, that Cartmell thought looked crap but actually still holds up)
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The Rapture is hilariously tone deaf and out of touch as to how young people talk and act and rave. It was like Five go to Ibiza lol
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Didn't Russel T. Davies argue that Joseph Lidster would be a good writer if he applied or something like that? I've never really read/listened to one of his Who stories (or any other material for that matter), but I was pretty surprised by the disconnect between opinions like that and how he's talked about in this thread.
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Actually, I think i was overly harsh - Lidster is a very adept character writer, but his storytelling sensibilities are hard to like. Again, very nice guy.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Didn't Russel T. Davies argue that Joseph Lidster would be a good writer if he applied or something like that? I've never really read/listened to one of his Who stories (or any other material for that matter), but I was pretty surprised by the disconnect between opinions like that and how he's talked about in this thread. He's written for the Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.
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Thanks for the fact checking of my earlier post, it's always cool to learn new things. Yeah, wasn't the Gemma and Samson thing hinted at for a while pre-Terra Firma? It's been a while, but doesn't Eight start Storm Warning waking up confused and unsure of what just happened? It didn't really matter though, since to show off how *edgy and dangerous* C'rizz is, he just murders Gemma offscreen at the end of Terra Firma. (C'rizz, as always, remains the worst). There's a bizzare trend of expanded universe stories treating Peri awfully, for some reason. I remember in one novel - Superior Creatures, I think? - she gets stripped naked by the bad guy aliens who debate the mechanics of farming her as cattle, so that her children can be hunted for sport. It was gross, but not in the way it was intended to be. I'm not sure why some writers really had it in for Peri - questionable accent aside, I thought Nicola Byrant brought a lot of personality to the role, especially against Baker's Doctor.
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Haven't read that one, but in Nekromanteia (ugh, don't listen to that one, folks, it is the one story I have ever encountered that breaks my "listen for yourself and decide" philosophy) there's a whole, utterly pointless and utterly gross scene where Peri gets drugged, stripped naked and then made to bath in oils during a trance while some dude who has infiltrated the base peeps on her from a hiding spot and breathlessly describes what he is seeing for his audio log. Creed of the Kromon, by the previously mentioned Philip Martin, also does a vile scene with Charley where they try to transform her into a breeding queen or some bullshit while a couple of the aliens salivate about the thought of having sex with her. Unlike Nekromanteia which is just.... bad.... this actually DOES feel like we're listening in on the author's personal weird fetish. Martin also wrote Vengeance on Varos (which some say is a classic!) and it is good, though now I view the subplot of Peri and another character getting tied down and subjected to genetic manipulation with great suspicion. He also has Peri's body get taken over by an alien slug in Mind Warp....  Plus of course there's the often-mocked trope of Ace having all kinds of weird fetishistic undertones or sexualized stories in the wilderness years novels because the authors were all basically going through puberty when she was on television, and never quite got over that when it came time to write for her. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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OldMemes posted:Thanks for the fact checking of my earlier post, it's always cool to learn new things. Yeah, wasn't the Gemma and Samson thing hinted at for a while pre-Terra Firma? It's been a while, but doesn't Eight start Storm Warning waking up confused and unsure of what just happened? It didn't really matter though, since to show off how *edgy and dangerous* C'rizz is, he just murders Gemma offscreen at the end of Terra Firma. Nope. The waking up from amnesia thing leading into the beginning of Storm Warning was only in Terra Firma.
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Jerusalem posted:Philip Martin So that's quite a few of his contributions to Doctor Who. Why don't we look at all of them? Vengeance on Varos: "...Peri and Areta are to be subjected to undergo horrific scientific experiments at the hands of Quillam and his cell mutator." Mindwarp: "...Kiv's mind was successfully transplanted into Peri; when Yrcanos is freed of the bubble, he is distraught at the results of the operation, and fires wildly, killing Peri." The Creed of the Kromon: "Charley is forced into becoming a hybrid-insect Queen..." Antidote to Oblivion: Can't find a full summary, but in the copy the phrase "...a young biochemist in Sil's employ is working on a permanent solution to the nation's terminal unprofitability" doesn't bode well. I actually really like the design of Monster Peri in Vengeance on Varos; it'd make a neat design if it hadn't already be used. Presumably the FX crew informed Martin that "feathers" were a lot easier to do than "Slurm Queen."
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Important Peri question: did Big Finish ever come up with an excuse to let Nicola Bryant drop the awful American accent? Or is she gonna be saddled with that until the end of time?
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I was already going to skip The Creed of the Kromon because C'rizz, but now I am resolved to leave that one far along. Charley having slightly depressing outcomes seems to be a running thing in her stories, but there's a big leap from "the Doctor forgets her and she's working as a ambassador for aliens" to "weird fetish stuff". Sex often doesn't fit well with Doctor Who, and weird fetish stuff REALLY doesn't. I think Bryant is stuck with the accent now, since its been a part of the character for so long.
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She’s got better with it over time, which makes me think she’s had a few accent training classes.
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Just about halfway through Dalek Universe 1 and they went some...interesting directions here. Gonna be curious to see how it turns out. Don't want to reflect yet until I see how it plays out in the final story but yeah, definitely not boring by any means.
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Peri without the accent is like Eight without explosive amnesia
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Apparently she was told to pose as an American actress during the promotion of her introduction to the show, for unclear reasons? It's a bit strange - did they think making Peri American would help the show's popularity in the States or something? I'm assuming it was a marketing thing. Aside from the infamous Peter Davidson incident, have there been any other incidents where an actor has been "nope, not doing that", either because they think its creepy/weird or has their character act wildly out of character? I imagine that some of the action scenes can be a little embarrassing to record when there's no actual sets, but that's just a "get on with it, and make it seem exciting" actor thing. OldMemes fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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I watched the Fury from the Deep animation, it was nice getting to see the "full" thing but sadly the animation didn't even begin to do justice to this marvelous bit of ACT!ing:
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Joseph Lidster is running Dark Shadows for BF and doing a good job, and has done well in introducing new characters and advancing the story. With gothic scif/horror he seems to have found his niche. My only complaint is that he has a hangup about recasting which is even odder when you're running an American soap where it's done all the time. DS did it often, sometimes even temporarily! It limits things because a lot of iconic characters aren't used, and the actors are dying so soon it will be as dead as Blake's 7.
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That's not really a bad thing tbh. The idea of Who going on as long as there are useful stories to be told is a laudable one. The idea of an infinite cosmos of Fourth Doctor and Romana Two deep fakes sounds deeply unpleasant.
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Open Source Idiom posted:That's not really a bad thing tbh. I used to feel that way, but I love BF's Early Adventures and Third Doctor Adventure ranges, and am looking forward to The War Doctor Begins
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How long before we get a "Nine gets cloned and his clone is voiced by Briggs doing his Nine impression" story?
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Davros1 posted:I used to feel that way, but I love BF's Early Adventures and Third Doctor Adventure ranges, and am looking forward to The War Doctor Begins Yeah. Like I have probably spent more on Early Adventures than any other line. First and Second Doctors are my jam. I was very skeptical of Trealor but I think he does well. I want the old actors as long as possible, but if they can't so it or aren't around, audio is second only to books to tell infinite stories. Dark Shadows has a ton of stories they are leaving on the table not having ringers for Louis Edmond and Joan Bennett. And I would pay top dollar for some Barnabas/Julia/Quentin/Professor Stokes globetrotting monster hunting.
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OldMemes posted:Apparently she was told to pose as an American actress during the promotion of her introduction to the show, for unclear reasons? It's a bit strange - did they think making Peri American would help the show's popularity in the States or something? I'm assuming it was a marketing thing. Bit worried to ask but I know I won't be able to stop thinking about it, but what's the infamous Peter Davidson incident? I saw him at a Dr Who concert a few years back, and he seemed quite nice... 
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