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One of the only good parts in the failson books is when he pulls a gamemaster Anthony and brings every character from the six good books back as gholas carrying everything for a HUGE party. And then the baron ghola sees the 4 years old alia ghola and just loving ganks her on the spot. No amount of further explanation could truly convey how stupid that scene and the rest of the failson's books are.
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Jewmanji posted:But I think the books do give us enough detail to evaluate whether there are any changes, because Herbert is foregrounding the same activities in Heretics that he does in Dune, implying that, for instance, the BG are still seeking a Kwisatz Haderach after approx. 5000 years since Dune 1. There's no discernable difference between the BG of Heretics and the BG of Dune, except that there's now a Mother Superior, though I'm unsure if that is something that changed or was something that Herbert was silent on in the first books. Same with the Bene Tleilax. In the case of the BG and the BT it does make sense given that there's a continuous consciousness that's keeping them on task over the course of centuries, but the rest of the world is unchanged too. And it just strikes me as odd that the monoculture of the BT, which is known in the era of Messiah primarily as the manufacturers of gholas, are still somehow making that same technology in Heretics. Granted, they're making synthetic spice as well at this point, but that's not terribly impressive after 5000 years. It'd be like if 1500 years from now there was a company named Apple that was still mostly known for making cellular phones. Did you and I read the same book? First off, did you ignore the multiple characters saying "poo poo better not do this we might make another QH" like for example Schwangyu in like the very first chapter? Secondly the two institutions you cited have been changed irrevocably by the Tyrant. The BT worship Leto 2! And the sisterhood is harder to see because they are now POV characters, but if you don't see a difference between the motivations and action of RM Mohiam and the Sisterhood of Heretics, I really don't know what to say
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Bubblyblubber posted:One of the only good parts in the failson books is when he pulls a gamemaster Anthony and brings every character from the six good books back as gholas carrying everything for a HUGE party. I just can't get over the "my Hanzo steel is too much for you, Duncan" exchange in House Atreides.
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Apr 16, 2021 13:17
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Galewolf posted:I just can't get over the "my Hanzo steel is too much for you, Duncan" exchange in House Atreides. Genuinely can't tell if this is a joke
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:I’ve had COVID and read one of the failson books, I recommend you get COVID as a far more pleasant and less neurologically damaging option I started listening to the audiobook and despite it meaning having to stop exercising and restart what I was doing I only lasted about 5 minutes
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exmachina posted:Did you and I read the same book? First off, did you ignore the multiple characters saying "poo poo better not do this we might make another QH" like for example Schwangyu in like the very first chapter? The latter day sisterhood has been made so much more aware of their own actions after having been so tremendously outplayed at their own game by Leto II. They really do seem much more gentle in a lot of ways and, if not more human and humane, at least aware of the importance of fostering and maintaining those qualities in the societies they affect than they were before. I'm not sure how much of it was intended to be ironic but the main difference between the BG and the Honored Matres didn't boil down to their methods (they both use excessive amounts of pussy magic and kung fu) but their mindsets.
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Apr 16, 2021 14:07
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frogge posted:Read to god-emperor of Dune, but if you can't stop there do yourself a favor and go no further than Chapterhouse of Dune at the absolute furthest. It does not get better. How can you go further than the last Dune book ever written? 
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Murbella mindset, a new book by @duneauthor with foreword from Mike Cernovich
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Galewolf posted:I just can't get over the "my Hanzo steel is too much for you, Duncan" exchange in House Atreides. Check out this absolute unit, this mad weapon of a dude, reading the house books That's time out of your life you just don't get back, ever again my man Me reading the poo poo sequels is equally dumb though, I'll grant you that
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exmachina posted:Did you and I read the same book? First off, did you ignore the multiple characters saying "poo poo better not do this we might make another QH" like for example Schwangyu in like the very first chapter? To your first point, my reading of this was that Schwangyu was an outlier among the BG in her opposition to the ghola project. That said, everyone is so siloed with the BG that everyone is operating off of limited info, and so it's probably a bit hard to be ideological about anything other than doing what you're told out of blind faith. And yes, I do acknowledge that the BG and BT have been changed by Leto 2's reign. As I mentioned, the BG and BT are the institutions that are least capable of evolving because of the influence of gholas or other memories on their ranks. They're like Leto II in that they're basically a single evolving organism. My point was mostly that Herbert seems to distill some of these giant civilizations down into fairly simplistic machines that are driven by a certain goal, or technology, and it seems weird that it doesn't evolve more. Again, I grant that the BG and BT wouldn't change much in the post-Leto II era, but the mere existence of all the prior principles, and a lack of new players on the scene just chafes against my own ideas for what would've made Heretics more interesting. I'm open to being persuaded though. I've only read Heretics once, and while I don't think I'll ever revisit it, I'm certainly interested to hear opposing takes. edit: On an unrelated note, I often hear people say that CHOAM is an analog to OPEC- did Herbert ever say as much, or is that just a common inference? I'm curious if Herbert has ever gone on record talking about the Dutch East India Company or the British Easy India Company, as those seem almost more similar to CHOAM in terms of its governing structure than OPEC. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 16, 2021 |
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Apr 16, 2021 19:21
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i heard jared leto is gonna play leto 2 in the sequel
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Apr 16, 2021 20:30
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*taps the [No @Duneauthor Zone] sign*
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Carthag Tuek posted:i heard jared leto is gonna play leto 2 in the sequel The emperor returns from ruminating in the catacombs to find that there's been a galactic plague
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Carthag Tuek posted:i heard jared leto is gonna play leto 2 in the sequel “We live in a society”
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Apr 16, 2021 21:00
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Jewmanji posted:“We live on a desert planet”
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Murray Mantoinette posted:The latter day sisterhood has been made so much more aware of their own actions after having been so tremendously outplayed at their own game by Leto II. Leto was pissed that the sisterhood forced him to take the golden path by neglecting to take the mantle themselves and pursuing temporal power instead. By way of his messages to Chenoah and to Odrade (at the spice hoard) he pushed them into playing the role of shepherd to humanity and avoiding Krazilec
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Apr 16, 2021 21:33
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Jared leto literally has a fish speaking desert cult so that tracks im da god emperor baby
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Apr 16, 2021 21:37
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I thought he kinda hammed it up a little too much in Blade Runner 2049, but Leto 2 would be appropriately over the top for a similar performance.
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Apr 16, 2021 23:26
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They should film it with Deadpool-style asides to the 4th wall
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exmachina posted:They should film it with Deadpool-style asides to the 4th wall only if its like in the amiga 500 game by cryo interactive ... could he be the one ...
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Apr 17, 2021 02:08
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Dune, but made like a Mel Brooks comedy . Leto II just looking straight at the camera like " Can you believe this poo poo?"
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Apr 17, 2021 03:56
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Everyone says he's Kiwisatz Haderach but it's just Paul doing Saved by the Bell-style time outs
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Johnny Aztec posted:Dune, but made like a Mel Brooks comedy . Leto II just looking straight at the camera like " Can you believe this poo poo?" Blazing Sardaukar
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Goblin Craft posted:Blazing Maker Hooks
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Duncans to the left of me Tegs to the right, here I'm stuck in the middle w- *head blasts off as insect snapping lady legs rocket thru my neck*
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*mugs the camera* It's good to be the Worm.
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'Scuse me while I whip this out
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The Bloop posted:Genuinely can't tell if this is a joke Look into the well of your ancestors' gene memories and you will see the truth looking back at you.
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Ingmar terdman posted:I'm surrounded by idahos *laughs in chakobsa*
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Bubblyblubber posted:Check out this absolute unit, this mad weapon of a dude, reading the house books I think a friend of mine gave it to me when they got released or something. I was still a voracious reader and be like "A Dune book from Herbert's son and some other rando? Eh, how bad it can be?"  I think I read both the Houses Trilogy and the Butlerian books which sounds psychotic now it's written down.
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Twitch posted:I just got to the part of Heretics where Duncan becomes a super saiyan, but at loving and I don't know if this book is terrible or if it rules. It rules.
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Twitch posted:I thought he kinda hammed it up a little too much in Blade Runner 2049, but Leto 2 would be appropriately over the top for a similar performance. I thought he was perfect in 2049, he's accidentally the exact embodiment of a Jack Dorsey hypercapitalist tech despot and it's spot-on. If anything Villanueve was kinda trolling him by casting him thusly.
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Galewolf posted:I think a friend of mine gave it to me when they got released or something. I was still a voracious reader and be like "A Dune book from Herbert's son and some other rando? Eh, how bad it can be?" I read the House trilogy but even 9th grade me couldn’t take anything past the first Jihad book.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I read the House trilogy but even 9th grade me couldn’t take anything past the first Jihad book. I remember trying to read the Jihad book at that same age and thinking "this is weird, this book has lasers and death robots and starships yet it sucks somehow?" Very disconcerting.
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