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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


BIG HEADLINE posted:

Oh hey, I found another perspective of that Osprey turning people into FOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-MP2tKhmQo

Sound warning, obviously.

So the mission objective is to warn the enemy early, then try to deafen them. THEN once they appear, throw all loose poo poo around at anyone stupid enough to hang around to see what's coming. THEN the Marines come out and get shot to poo poo IF the Osprey doesn't crash first or get shot being such a big juicy target.

Gotchya!

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PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Never too many decades to post this V-22 cartoon:

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Humphreys posted:

So the mission objective is to warn the enemy early, then try to deafen them. THEN once they appear, throw all loose poo poo around at anyone stupid enough to hang around to see what's coming. THEN the Marines come out and get shot to poo poo IF the Osprey doesn't crash first or get shot being such a big juicy target.

Gotchya!

Hey, deafening everyone works for the Tu-95!

Actually that kinda belongs in a vintage aviation ad: The V-22 Osprey: Generate Your Own FOD

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

Hey, deafening everyone works for the Tu-95!

Actually that kinda belongs in a vintage aviation ad: The V-22 Osprey: Generate Your Own FOD

Don't even bother doing an FOD walk. Just have an Osprey bomb down the runways with rotors up.

I wonder how hot the air coming off the engines is?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

madeintaipei posted:

Don't even bother doing an FOD walk. Just have an Osprey bomb down the runways with rotors up.

I wonder how hot the air coming off the engines is?

quote:

With exhaust deflectors off, the V-22 exhaust temperature at the exit plane is 515 deg F above the ambient temperature decreasing to 150 deg F above ambient temperature at a distance of 4ft 4in below the bottom of the nacelle IR suppressor.

The internet is a magical place.

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost

FuturePastNow posted:

Chinook rotor RPM: 225 at 100% power

Osprey rotor RPM: 412 in helicopter mode

That is a lot slower than I thought. I remember reading the rotor tips would reach slightly transonic speeds, but that appears to be not true at all.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

SNiPER_Magnum posted:

That is a lot slower than I thought. I remember reading the rotor tips would reach slightly transonic speeds, but that appears to be not true at all.

Correct me if I’m wrong: 38ft*pi*412/min=250m/s, 250m/s/(343m/s)=0.72

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Caught impersonating a pilot, what happens now? (self.LegalAdviceUK)

quote:

Hi Reddit, I need some help.

About 3 years ago, my grandfather died and I inherited quite a bit of money, so I brought a nice house in a nice neighbourhood.

When talking to one of the neighbours, I casually mentioned that I am a pilot (I'm not, I don't really do anything, I just wanted to impress him).

To keep up the lie, I brought a pilots outfit from ebay and would wear it leaving the house at the same time my neighbours were going to work, making sure to stop and chat to them if I could. Pre covid, I would go to a pub, more recently I just drive around or go sit in the park with a few cans.

Fast forward to last week, I'm sitting in the park in my pilots outfit when one of my neighbours comes up and confronts me. He says he suspected me for a while so he's been following me about, and now knows that I'm not really a pilot! Apparently it's actually a crime, and he's reported me to the peelers.

Just how serious is this, and what should I expect? Do I need a solicitor?

Thanks

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

If that's actually a crime in the UK lmfao @ that stupid island.

It's not like he's illegally practicing medicine or something. And just telling your neighbors that you do something is not the same as presenting yourself as such for professional purposes, like putting up a sign saying you're an engineer. This is like...telling someone you have a commercial driver's license when you really don't. As long as you aren't actually driving the trucks, who gives a poo poo.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

He says he's got lots of money, so like, why not become a pilot?


Also lol at impersonating a pilot like bro it isn't the 60's anymore nobody gives a poo poo or is impressed that you fly planes lolololol

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
Just sitting in the park in my pilot outfit, you know, like real pilots do.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Yeah he should be sitting at a hotel bar.

Zephirus
May 18, 2004

BRRRR......CHK

Sagebrush posted:

If that's actually a crime in the UK lmfao @ that stupid island.

It's not like he's illegally practicing medicine or something. And just telling your neighbors that you do something is not the same as presenting yourself as such for professional purposes, like putting up a sign saying you're an engineer. This is like...telling someone you have a commercial driver's license when you really don't. As long as you aren't actually driving the trucks, who gives a poo poo.

Unless they were actively misrepresenting themselves as a pilot to commit fraud or something similar or getting into places they weren't authorised to be, I don't believe that there are any laws on this daft island against claiming you're a pilot to make yourself look good, and it's not a protected title (unlike for example, Airport Fire Fighter, which requires CAA licensing for you to use).

Obviously if you tried to get on a plane or into secure areas at an airport that would be a whole other matter of interaction with said rozzers.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Sagebrush posted:

If that's actually a crime in the UK lmfao @ that stupid island.

Given the propensity of random English to believe they fought WW2 singlehandedly despite being toddlers or born afterwards, it wouldn't surprise me that they would believe wearing unauthorized uniforms was also a crime. Unless it was them of course, in which case how very dare you Sir.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

hobbesmaster posted:

Yeah he should be sitting at a hotel bar.

Not an empty quote.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
Peelers evidently means something different over there, here it’s slang for a strip club. So I was picturing his neighbour telling the dancers he wasn’t a real pilot.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


it comes from robert peel, the father of modern narcing

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Those flyboys crack me up.

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Avenger ditched at Cocoa Beach today.
https://twitter.com/KamiMoffitt/status/1383474998136819722


Sounds like everyone was okay though. Peep the one surface who almost got squished

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


Sounds like that plane only came out of restoration in January 2020. That sucks.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
I can't help but feel like the FAA might put the kibosh on warbirds doing anything other than flyovers and static displays at air shows. *Forget* about ride-alongs. =/

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit
Those things aren’t getting any newer. I imagine the mechanical bits are pretty rare anymore.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Ditchings happen, and from a stick and rudder perspective it was expertly done, but that guy really should have done it like a hundred feet further out to reduce the chance of decapitating some kid playing in the waves.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

e.pilot posted:

Those things aren’t getting any newer. I imagine the mechanical bits are pretty rare anymore.
Also people need to get used to the idea that WW2 engines loving suck.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

evil_bunnY posted:

Also people need to get used to the idea that WW2 engines loving suck.

Yeah, these planes failed a lot.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Recently there was this airliner that confused a taxiway with a runway, discussed here in the thread.


MentourPilot is weighing in and from his video it seems like the airplane came as close as 10-15ft from striking one of the airliners on the ground. Had the crew reacted a split-second later, they would have struck them and probably also crashed into the waiting airliner after that. That would have been another Tenerife-like incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLEGir9lzBo

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Didn't know Harrison Ford was flying airliners now.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Lord Stimperor posted:

Recently there was this airliner that confused a taxiway with a runway, discussed here in the thread.


MentourPilot is weighing in and from his video it seems like the airplane came as close as 10-15ft from striking one of the airliners on the ground. Had the crew reacted a split-second later, they would have struck them and probably also crashed into the waiting airliner after that. That would have been another Tenerife-like incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLEGir9lzBo

That was like four years ago. Why is it suddenly showing up in the zeitgeist?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Sun & Fun 2021 is live - F-22 Demo and first Blue Angels show with the Super Bugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDf0-IHkqg

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

Sagebrush posted:

That was like four years ago. Why is it suddenly showing up in the zeitgeist?

~algorithm magic~

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
F-22 demo is starting at the above link.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

BIG HEADLINE posted:

F-22 demo is starting at the above link.

For anyone watching later it starts at roughly 2h 02m

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

evil_bunnY posted:

Also people need to get used to the idea that WW2 engines loving suck.

I watched some guys rebuild an engine for a '40s -ish Volkswagen Beetle and despite making lawnmower levels of power it has an eye-watering amount of complexity in comparison to a modern Briggs or Kohler.

I imagine even the famed Merlin to be the same situation if you compared to a modern aviation engine.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Cat Hatter posted:

I watched some guys rebuild an engine for a '40s -ish Volkswagen Beetle and despite making lawnmower levels of power it has an eye-watering amount of complexity in comparison to a modern Briggs or Kohler.

I imagine even the famed Merlin to be the same situation if you compared to a modern aviation engine.

A modern aviation piston engine like one from the 1950s?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Blue Angels program estimated for 3:30pm Eastern.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Blue Angels program estimated for 3:30pm Eastern.

Thank you for following social distancing guidelines.

The Blue Angels flying over my old place made me seriously question the building's integrity. Brand new condo and it felt like it was going to shake to bits. Amusingly, the little ping pong ball in the roof vent would go crazy like it was in a master-class match between two very small old Chinese women.

It was great getting a free show though.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

hobbesmaster posted:

A modern aviation piston engine like one from the 1950s?

Exactly. Lot of stuff happened after ’33.

dupersaurus
Aug 1, 2012

Futurism was an art movement where dudes were all 'CARS ARE COOL AND THE PAST IS FOR CHUMPS. LET'S DRAW SOME CARS.'
Was it here that someone posted about maintaining Tiger Moths (or something), and how they don't redesign engine parts because 1) they know exactly why and when the original parts fail and 2) they don't know if re-engineering things would break things in unknown ways?

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

hobbesmaster posted:

A modern aviation piston engine like one from the 1950s?
Even the 50's vintage-design aero engines still found in flying aircraft today have had their kinks ironed the gently caress out.

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BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Cat Hatter posted:

I imagine even the famed Merlin to be the same situation if you compared to a modern aviation engine.

For all it's undoubted combat success and its (well-deserved) reputation for reliability and performance, the Merlin was a far from perfect design even in the 1930s. The original PV-12 version (what became the Merlin I) with the separate 'ramp' heads and box combustion chambers was a fundamentally unworkable design that was plagued by severe and deep-rooted running and reliability problems. Rolls-Royce had to essentially re-design the engine from scratch and the Merlin II owed much more in its design to the old Kestrel (i.e. going back to one-piece cylinder blocks and heads and stressed cylinder liners) than the original PV-12/Merlin I. It was little more than a Kestrel re-drawn to the basic dimensions of the PV-12.

The Merlin also embodied a lot of typically British approaches to design, mostly by being far to complicated - it consisted of loads of little, individual parts assembled into sub-components, which were then assembled into sub-assemblies, which were then assembled into ancillaries, which were then bolted to the block to create the engine. All held together with far too many screws, bolts, shims and cotter pins and all of varying sizes. Rolls-Royce engineering was summed up as "a triumph of development over design" and that's just spot on. When an engine was on the drawing board the approach was a combination of 'what we did last time' combined with 'suck it and see' when it came to changes. Then everything was adapted from the results of the testing and service experience - an extra bolt here, a larger dowel pin there, a slightly thicker block casting wall here, a change to the thread pitch on a liner retaining stud there and so on. And very rarely was any real consideration given to maintenance or overhaul time.

The Merlin only succeded because of British access to 100-octane fuel and Rolls-Royce's experience with wringing maximum power from every cubic inch from the days of the Schneider Trophy, which allowed the Merlin to produce a lot of power for its size. Then Stanley Hooker came aboard and gifted Rolls-Royce the global lead in supercharger and induction system design, making the Merlin the best-performing V12 aero-engine in the world in the 1940s and allowing it to keep pace with requirements throughout the war. Rolls-Royce also had access to a lot of government money and expertise to keep working out the (many) bugs in the Merlin, such that by 1943 they had almost completely redesigned it a second time, going back to the separate cylinder heads (but still with stressed liners). In the interim the Griffon was a 'clean sheet' design based on the same principles as the original Merlin but integrating all the lessons learnt from that engine's atrocious start in life as well as a lot of other long overdue improvements (many of which reflected practise in foreign aero engines) such as the hollow crankshaft to supply oil directly to the big end bearings and driving the supercharger, camshafts and magentos via a quill shaft from the reduction gear rather than a second gearset at the back of the engine.

The interesting contrast is with the Allison V-1710, which was almost the exact opposite of the Merlin. Reflecting GM's experiences with mass production, it was a modular design (using a standard 'power core' on to which virtually any combination of accessories and drive options could be bolted), unified and minimised fixings and a huge degree of over-specification in the basic major components of the engine (for instance the Allison crankshaft was built and balanced to withstand operation up to 4000rpm, even though no production model was ever rated at more than 3000rpm). An Allison contained only 60% of the total number of components than a Merlin and required only half the amount of time to overhaul. What it lacked was a decent supercharger/induction system. If the USAAF had favoured superchargers rather than looking slightly too far ahead and demanding turbochargers for high-altitude work, or if Stanley Hooker had been seconded to Allison to do their induction and tuning work, you'd end up with an engine with the design and build of the Allison and the performance of the Merlin.

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