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Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

Just finished listening to the Koch brothers TrueAnon episodes (been going through past episodes, which is actually works pretty well for TrueAnon since it's light on the "recent events commentary"), and one thing I like about that podcast is that Brace and Liz seem like a couple of the very rare public figures/personalities on the left who actually have a clear-eyed view of where the left stands. Those episodes were from 9/20, so before the primary crushed a lot of peoples' hopes, and Brace mentions how it's dumb when the left mocks libertarianism given the libertarians are dramatically closer to actual power than the left.

In general there seems to be a big problem with people on the left being irrationally optimistic to an extent where it feels like they believe optimism is itself a virtue (and not being optimistic a sin). Like Brace says in one of those episodes, that self of self-deception is absolutely fatal, because you don't really stand a chance if you're mentally living in some fantasy world where the left is ascendant.

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Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

The left will only be ascendant if we make it so. Sinn Fein. Us Alone. We need to get together and create our own power. Otherwise we're just sitting on the sidelines hoping that Bernie or the Squad will save us.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 05:54

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

Ytlaya posted:

Just finished listening to the Koch brothers TrueAnon episodes (been going through past episodes, which is actually works pretty well for TrueAnon since it's light on the "recent events commentary"), and one thing I like about that podcast is that Brace and Liz seem like a couple of the very rare public figures/personalities on the left who actually have a clear-eyed view of where the left stands. Those episodes were from 9/20, so before the primary crushed a lot of peoples' hopes, and Brace mentions how it's dumb when the left mocks libertarianism given the libertarians are dramatically closer to actual power than the left.

In general there seems to be a big problem with people on the left being irrationally optimistic to an extent where it feels like they believe optimism is itself a virtue (and not being optimistic a sin). Like Brace says in one of those episodes, that self of self-deception is absolutely fatal, because you don't really stand a chance if you're mentally living in some fantasy world where the left is ascendant.

Their assertion that the Powell Memo was basically a revolutionary manifesto behind what ended up being a successful revolution is something you would never hear any liberal who would normally agree that the Koch brothers are evil would say.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 06:05

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

A Russian troll farm posted:

The left will only be ascendant if we make it so. Sinn Fein. Us Alone. We need to get together and create our own power. Otherwise we're just sitting on the sidelines hoping that Bernie or the Squad will save us.

IRA Trotsky is a neat bit

# ? Apr 19, 2021 06:20

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Ytlaya posted:

Just finished listening to the Koch brothers TrueAnon episodes (been going through past episodes, which is actually works pretty well for TrueAnon since it's light on the "recent events commentary"), and one thing I like about that podcast is that Brace and Liz seem like a couple of the very rare public figures/personalities on the left who actually have a clear-eyed view of where the left stands. Those episodes were from 9/20, so before the primary crushed a lot of peoples' hopes, and Brace mentions how it's dumb when the left mocks libertarianism given the libertarians are dramatically closer to actual power than the left.

In general there seems to be a big problem with people on the left being irrationally optimistic to an extent where it feels like they believe optimism is itself a virtue (and not being optimistic a sin). Like Brace says in one of those episodes, that self of self-deception is absolutely fatal, because you don't really stand a chance if you're mentally living in some fantasy world where the left is ascendant.

The Cock Bro episodes are definitely some of the top tier work and finest they've done. Brace's rant in cock bro part 2 is just absolute chef kiss. Up there with Liz's monologue in the Assange episode which is SSSSSS tier.

The "Cool Zone" back in June was extremely cringe. a whole lotta peep getting themselves hyped up pollyanna cheerleading that the end of capitalism is here within 72 hrs and then deflating into a pancake slinking away. optimism is good, but also for their own sake need to realistically realize that it's a very very long road.

But yeah when you look at it over the past 4 decades, the "left" is just a joke that is basically hoping for material conditions to continue to degrade so hard so fast that "the left" just "naturally" falls into some semblance of 'power'. which has uh, not been a great strategy thus far. there has been more successful unionization in the past couple of years than the past preceding decade or more, at least locally, but it's still so far behind and even Amazon warehouse show that it's an uphill battle at nearly 3:1 for something even relatively 'apolitical'.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 06:23

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

i;m a person of cirrhosis

# ? Apr 19, 2021 06:33

MeatwadIsGod: Sep 30, 2004; Foretold by Gyromancy

Shipon posted:

Their assertion that the Powell Memo was basically a revolutionary manifesto behind what ended up being a successful revolution is something you would never hear any liberal who would normally agree that the Koch brothers are evil would say.

It's definitely in line with what you get from books like David Harvey's history of neoliberalism. The Mont Pelerin society formed in the aftermath of WWII when the armistice with organized labor no longer needed to be maintained. Along with Taft-Hartley it was the beginning of a class project to reassert the political and economic power of elites. The propaganda element would emphasize individual freedoms, flexibility, and exciting new markets but really it was about breaking labor power, loosening capital controls, and generally staving off communist influence. The Powell Memo is a continuation of that project, and a couple years later the ruling class had an opportunity to test neoliberalism in Chile after Pinochet's coup. It's doubly depressing when you realize that not only was this the inaugural neoliberal state, but Pinochet's goons also destroyed Project Cybersyn, which essentially would have been a socialist alternative to Arpanet.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 06:59

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Ytlaya posted:

In general there seems to be a big problem with people on the left being irrationally optimistic to an extent where it feels like they believe optimism is itself a virtue (and not being optimistic a sin). Like Brace says in one of those episodes, that self of self-deception is absolutely fatal, because you don't really stand a chance if you're mentally living in some fantasy world where the left is ascendant.

Xaris posted:

The Cock Bro episodes are definitely some of the top tier work and finest they've done. Brace's rant in cock bro part 2 is just absolute chef kiss. Up there with Liz's monologue in the Assange episode which is SSSSSS tier.

The "Cool Zone" back in June was extremely cringe. a whole lotta peep getting themselves hyped up pollyanna cheerleading that the end of capitalism is here within 72 hrs and then deflating into a pancake slinking away. optimism is good, but also for their own sake need to realistically realize that it's a very very long road.

But yeah when you look at it over the past 4 decades, the "left" is just a joke that is basically hoping for material conditions to continue to degrade so hard so fast that "the left" just "naturally" falls into some semblance of 'power'. which has uh, not been a great strategy thus far. there has been more successful unionization in the past couple of years than the past preceding decade or more, at least locally, but it's still so far behind and even Amazon warehouse show that it's an uphill battle at nearly 3:1 for something even relatively 'apolitical'.

https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

# ? Apr 19, 2021 07:00

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

The problem becomes the Left can't talk about its solutions online for obvious reasons and even if you do the obvious retort of "cool, you go first" is hard to counteract.

Everything just feels so loving hopeless, and anytime something happens that feels like oh maybe it isn't, thr loving liberals swoop in abd strangle it in thr crib. Last years Cool Zone could have been a moment but it got turned into a voting registration drive for the last Dem Segregationist. That Minnesota pig will go free, the cops still continue to kill people in mass, They'll be token protests maybe even a riot, but the liberals will be home because Orangeman is gone, Biden stressing that nothing justifies riots really shows what the priorities of Liberalism are

# ? Apr 19, 2021 07:32

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

KomradeX posted:

The problem becomes the Left can't talk about its solutions online for obvious reasons and even if you do the obvious retort of "cool, you go first" is hard to counteract.

Everything just feels so loving hopeless, and anytime something happens that feels like oh maybe it isn't, thr loving liberals swoop in abd strangle it in thr crib. Last years Cool Zone could have been a moment but it got turned into a voting registration drive for the last Dem Segregationist. That Minnesota pig will go free, the cops still continue to kill people in mass, They'll be token protests maybe even a riot, but the liberals will be home because Orangeman is gone, Biden stressing that nothing justifies riots really shows what the priorities of Liberalism are

be kind as you starve, says the smiling man, his accomplice more than eager to press the "DRONE STRIKE" button as the people grow wearier and hungrier,

# ? Apr 19, 2021 07:36

Farm Frenzy: Jan 3, 2007

KomradeX posted:

The problem becomes the Left can't talk about its solutions online for obvious reasons and even if you do the obvious retort of "cool, you go first" is hard to counteract.

Everything just feels so loving hopeless, and anytime something happens that feels like oh maybe it isn't, thr loving liberals swoop in abd strangle it in thr crib. Last years Cool Zone could have been a moment but it got turned into a voting registration drive for the last Dem Segregationist. That Minnesota pig will go free, the cops still continue to kill people in mass, They'll be token protests maybe even a riot, but the liberals will be home because Orangeman is gone, Biden stressing that nothing justifies riots really shows what the priorities of Liberalism are

the reason why leftists can often be irrationally optimistic is that its incredibly boring reading posts like this all the time

# ? Apr 19, 2021 07:38

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

KomradeX posted:

The problem becomes the Left can't talk about its solutions online for obvious reasons and even if you do the obvious retort of "cool, you go first" is hard to counteract.

i don't think that's true, at least not in the sense you may think it is. or rather you're coming from a perception that it has to happen online. sure people online aren't going to be discussing the best cheap costco drones to buy to de-serial and best way to remotely fly it to an oil refinery, but that's also not really "change". it's not going to bring people together in solidarity and work to de-alienate a populace

as in the great words of the Prophet Matthmed Christman, log da gently caress off. the "online" sphere" is not the place for it, it's too alienating, dehumanized, and just a monitor with a series of tubes. that's not to say some relative organizing can't take place in the online sphere, or that some knowledge-base resources can't be made available (how you can fight repo/evictions/aggressive collection agencies/how the NLRB works and what you should be keeping track of, etc sort of thing), but that's where it ends.

i would say the relative successes people have had locally the past few years (tartine bakery, anchor brewery, and a few other places here in SF) is where more important change will take place because that is something tangible people can do that has immediate impacts on their lives, their coworkers life's, and community. and as more can get unionized, they can also lend support to others trying to accomplish that. it's still small, but it's also something that people can do to affect change and that in itself also humanizes and brings about connectivity, not just monikers and memes. no onlineism is required. easier said than done of course.

we have also had success in local level like getting rid of evil DAs with actual leftist more anti-cop DAs who aren't prosecuting bullshit like Chesa Boudin, and city council like dean preston. these aren't flashy nation-wide things and it's not national electoralism, but it affects a lot of people within their immediate community

anyways the belden project is going to save us. have faith ye of little faith.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 08:12

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Xaris posted:

anyways the belden project is going to save us. have faith ye of little faith.

It is funny how a throwaway bit has taken on so much life that some of the trueanon fans actually do think this though.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 08:24

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Farm Frenzy posted:

the reason why leftists can often be irrationally optimistic is that its incredibly boring reading posts like this all the time

why do you think people went wild for orb mom

# ? Apr 19, 2021 08:35

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

Yeah the forums are for blowing off steam and laughing at libs. Handsy Rolph declaring talking about Dem misdeads verboten is something to lmao at, not a legitimate threat to leftist organizing, a thing that has basically never happened on these forums. I've started making my first forays into becoming politically active here since corona (outside of crashing the occasional protest/funeral march), and it feels pretty nice. Do offline lefty stuff, even if it seems tiny and pointless. It'll make you feel good.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 08:49

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
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# ? Apr 19, 2021 10:07

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

yeah, that's what I did to your mum last night

# ? Apr 19, 2021 10:16

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

Xaris posted:

i don't think that's true, at least not in the sense you may think it is. or rather you're coming from a perception that it has to happen online. sure people online aren't going to be discussing the best cheap costco drones to buy to de-serial and best way to remotely fly it to an oil refinery, but that's also not really "change". it's not going to bring people together in solidarity and work to de-alienate a populace

one of the most ingrained things in lib democracies is how political life isn't for you if it ain't your job, democratic participation is done solely through vote and when you try to do something else it's either underfunded or non existent
personally one of the most surprising things i learned related to it was how cuba does it and how exciting it sounded to actually have a participatory role

# ? Apr 19, 2021 10:25

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

KomradeX posted:

The problem becomes the Left can't talk about its solutions online for obvious reasons and even if you do the obvious retort of "cool, you go first" is hard to counteract.

Everything just feels so loving hopeless, and anytime something happens that feels like oh maybe it isn't, thr loving liberals swoop in abd strangle it in thr crib. Last years Cool Zone could have been a moment but it got turned into a voting registration drive for the last Dem Segregationist. That Minnesota pig will go free, the cops still continue to kill people in mass, They'll be token protests maybe even a riot, but the liberals will be home because Orangeman is gone, Biden stressing that nothing justifies riots really shows what the priorities of Liberalism are

I wouldn�t get too down about it. breaking with the liberals always had to happen. do your part offline, vent online, and enjoy the ways left content is growing with the rest of the left.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 13:38

Popy: Feb 19, 2008

Happy Blowback S2 day. Finally a podcast that talks about the real protagonist of North America

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1286054770382438400?s=20

# ? Apr 19, 2021 13:41

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1384021005589311490

# ? Apr 19, 2021 14:54

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Honest Thief posted:

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1384021005589311490

No. I�m not watching anything with Destiny.

Also Virgil has a pretty good gig on Bad Faith. Half the money, 5% of the talking.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 15:02

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

how is that better than 1/6th of chapo money for 0.001% of the talking?

# ? Apr 19, 2021 16:05

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

the �pre amble� ep of BLOWBACK was great, really looking forward to this season � esp because we won�t be getting a Revolutions series on cuba

# ? Apr 19, 2021 16:39

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

the �pre amble� ep of BLOWBACK was great, really looking forward to this season � esp because we won�t be getting a Revolutions series on cuba

Is there a black RSS feed that works for this? A lot of my podcast addict feeds stopped working.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 16:58

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Edit nvm

gh0stpinballa has issued a correction as of 18:27 on Apr 19, 2021

# ? Apr 19, 2021 17:56

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

mcmagic posted:

Is there a black RSS feed that works for this? A lot of my podcast addict feeds stopped working.

https://shanny.tools/api/hosted/blowback/hosted_blowback.xml

Unfortunately you either have to just manually download the .mp3 links, or use a different podcast app because the guy who hosts it has blocked about a half dozen podcast apps.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 18:22

Breadallelogram: Oct 9, 2012

Xaris posted:

https://shanny.tools/api/hosted/blowback/hosted_blowback.xml

Unfortunately you either have to just manually download the .mp3 links, or use a different podcast app because the guy who hosts it has blocked about a half dozen podcast apps.

working fine for me in podcast addict...

# ? Apr 19, 2021 18:26

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

gh0stpinballa posted:

Ah gently caress this is really about Cuba and the CIA? my next two episodes in the tabloid series were going to touch on Cuba in the 40s and the 58 revolution.

it appears to be so. that's okay, there's about 100000 true crime documentaries about the same murder from 1971 in petaluma. i have faith you still would be worth listening to

# ? Apr 19, 2021 18:38

Her Dryer: Oct 15, 2012

Honest Thief posted:

https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1384021005589311490

Is Doctor Dick Wolff any good at debates, he's a fantastic intro to socialism but also he is very old and likes to repeat himself.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 19:55

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Xaris posted:

it appears to be so. that's okay, there's about 100000 true crime documentaries about the same murder from 1971 in petaluma. i have faith you still would be worth listening to

🙏🙏🙏

# ? Apr 19, 2021 20:00

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Her Dryer posted:

Is Doctor Dick Wolff any good at debates, he's a fantastic intro to socialism but also he is very old and likes to repeat himself.

did you not watch his debate vs teh Whole Foods ceo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szW61MGb-mI

yeah he's pretty good

# ? Apr 19, 2021 20:05

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

talking sopranos good, in the university episode bobby bacala was talking about a scene where the guys do jokes on giny's weight and imperioli not laughing at them
"it's okay, she was wearing a fat suit!"

# ? Apr 19, 2021 21:44

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

the �pre amble� ep of BLOWBACK was great, really looking forward to this season � esp because we won�t be getting a Revolutions series on cuba

Jesse Ventura owns lol

# ? Apr 19, 2021 21:46

papa horny michael: Aug 18, 2009; by Pragmatica

why isn't Duncan doing a revolutions series on Cuba lol

# ? Apr 19, 2021 21:47

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Zedhe Khoja posted:

Yeah the forums are for blowing off steam and laughing at libs. Handsy Rolph declaring talking about Dem misdeads verboten is something to lmao at, not a legitimate threat to leftist organizing, a thing that has basically never happened on these forums. I've started making my first forays into becoming politically active here since corona (outside of crashing the occasional protest/funeral march), and it feels pretty nice. Do offline lefty stuff, even if it seems tiny and pointless. It'll make you feel good.

in retrospect, the posting is praxis phase of CSPAM was pretty loving grim

# ? Apr 19, 2021 21:48

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Doing a Cuba series would be weird without doing China.

I think Duncan does not want to do a Revolution series on China because that's a multiple year commitment in his format, and he doesn't know the language.

Also looking at how his Russian Revolution series sprawled out, he'd probably be starting from like the Taiping Rebellion for a China series.

# ? Apr 19, 2021 21:55