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I'm sure the jury's decision will reflect this
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Apr 19, 2021 19:24
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Thoughtless posted:I don't know why America doesn't. Unless the answer is racism. The answer to "why does America not do thing that makes sense" is nearly always racism.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:34
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Speaking of despotic racism https://twitter.com/mndailynews/status/1383875205731217418?s=20
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Apr 19, 2021 19:35
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suck my woke dick posted:There really ought to be a law saying the police have to let suspects go if the risk of proceeding with the arrest (both to the suspect and to bystanders) is out of proportion with the alleged crime. Police discontinue high-speed pursuits frequently for this reason.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:35
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Thoughtless posted:Some other countries do have laws like that. Like in Sweden, police have to abort car chases and such if it would significantly increase the risk of the driver killing himself or others. And they're not a serial killer or something, probably. quote:While national standards have largely sought to curtail the practice of high-speed chases, the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) seems to be going in the other direction. It not only allows for the high-speed chases, but it also allows troopers to shoot at vehicles that are fleeing. While DPS policies limit gun use to situations in which the officer believes a suspect will cause harm, they claim the occasional use of firearms from a vehicle is still sometimes necessary. https://htxtriallawyers.com/what-is-the-law-regarding-high-speed-chases-in-texas/ 
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Apr 19, 2021 19:41
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Because in America I daresay most would admit, eve those who pretend that our justice system is good and not racist, that the primary purpose of our police force is to apprehend and punish the guilty, not to protect the innocent. It's part of why and how our nation is broken. We are far more concerned with meting out punishment and violence than we are with protecting the innocent or preventing misdoing in the first place.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:42
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CommieGIR posted:Speaking of despotic racism Just a random poo poo rural R proposing this. It's not going anywhere, thankfully.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:45
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suck my woke dick posted:There really ought to be a law saying the police have to let suspects go if the risk of proceeding with the arrest (both to the suspect and to bystanders) is out of proportion with the alleged crime. I live in a not-great town, kids steal cars. Every couple of months the police spot a kid in a stolen car on the freeway, chase them, and then cause a wreck in a very busy intersection right off the freeway, often causing fatalities. You'd think after they'd killed the fourth or fifth person in a year doing this that they would just stop but they seem incapable of making that leap and instead just keep murdering people. e: They did stop for about a year when they killed 2 toddlers doing this but they started up a few months ago and someone else has already died this year.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:48
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happyhippy posted:Chauvin faces 3 charges, second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. Keep in mind that if found guilty, he won't be sentenced right away, that's probably at least a month or two down the road. He will be sent directly to jail while he waits though.
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Apr 19, 2021 19:52
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Konstantin posted:Keep in mind that if found guilty, he won't be sentenced right away, that's probably at least a month or two down the road. He will be sent directly to jail while he waits though. Any chance he'll just be whisked from jail to a cop safehouse and vanish like Kyle, on the off chance he's convicted?
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Apr 19, 2021 19:58
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SchnorkIes posted:Any chance he'll just be whisked from jail to a cop safehouse and vanish like Kyle, on the off chance he's convicted? kyle rittenhouse has not been convicted nor has he missed his trial date he's making a bit of a laughingstock of the bail system even by white male standards but it's quite different from what you're proposing Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 19:59
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The Lord of Hats posted:Just a random poo poo rural R proposing this. It's not going anywhere, thankfully. Its a direct echo to bills that are being passed in states like Florida and elsewhere. So while it might not progress in Minnesota, thats not why they presented the bill. They did it to echo to Police and their Red Voters to show what they could do for them. GreyjoyBastard posted:kyle rittenhouse has not been convicted nor has he missed his trial date He did disappear, and was basically in a unknown location. A benefit that only he gets, no other perpetrator. Any other suspect would be in jail for a safehouse.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:04
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... is this dude's defense right now seriously "yes I know all those doctors told you that such a small amount of meth in his system wouldn't have had any effect on Mr. Floyd but what do THEY know?"
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Apr 19, 2021 20:10
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Getting cut off mid-sentence by the Judge so everyone can get lunch isn't a great look lol.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:25
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Sky Shadowing posted:... is this dude's defense right now seriously "yes I know all those doctors told you that such a small amount of meth in his system wouldn't have had any effect on Mr. Floyd but what do THEY know?" Yes https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1384223930777436165
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Apr 19, 2021 20:28
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in fairness i don't think there's a vaguely possible defense of chauvin that isn't clownish and/or gross nelson's options consist of "look like an idiot", "look like a monster", and "throw the case", and he appears to have picked both of the first two Thom12255 posted:Getting cut off mid-sentence by the Judge so everyone can get lunch isn't a great look lol. it is, however, very funny
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Apr 19, 2021 21:00
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I feel like all these murder 2/3 etc laws in various states exist specifically so that you can feel good about letting basically anyone off the hook. So vague, so hard to pin down if you weren't there. See Rittenhouse also
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Apr 19, 2021 21:20
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This rebuttal argument is excellent.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:25
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I'm starting to think he is only gonna get manslaughter. And that's not enough.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:29
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Kirios posted:I'm starting to think he is only gonna get manslaughter. And that's not enough. I'm still thinking at least 1 person is going to reject everything.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:39
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was amber guyger one of the first cops to be convicted in years? I remember there was developing public sentiment against police killings before the Floyd case altho obviously not on the same level
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Apr 19, 2021 21:40
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GreyjoyBastard posted:in fairness i don't think there's a vaguely possible defense of chauvin that isn't clownish and/or gross See I don't think that's true, Nelson seems to have done a better job for the defence than the prosecution team have done for the prosecution. I think he's done well enough that just from the arguments presented Chauvin getting Guilty but at the lowest possible charge looks the most likely outcome and that's only because 'Floyd was unconscious and Chauvin still didn't lift the knee' is so unambiguously wrong. But who knows. Guilty at the lowest charge feels the most likely to me but gently caress knows what's going on with the jury, 2nd murder could still happen and Chauvin walks could still happen.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:42
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Kirios posted:I'm starting to think he is only gonna get manslaughter. And that's not enough. Why do you think this? It seems like the closing arguments is looking better for the prosecution. Gaupo Guacho posted:was amber guyger one of the first cops to be convicted in years? I remember there was developing public sentiment against police killings before the Floyd case altho obviously not on the same level Mohamed Noor was convicted. Which .... you know.... minority cop killing a white woman in a good neighborhood.....
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Apr 19, 2021 21:42
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I was going to say Slager, but then I looked it up on wikipedia and saw that he actually pled out.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:44
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Kalit posted:Why do you think this? It seems like the closing arguments is looking better for the prosecution. The reasonable human being in me thinks this, but the jaded cspammer in me thinks the average American is a deranged brownshirt, so it's really hard for me to assess how arguments will land anymore
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Apr 19, 2021 21:48
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Sky Shadowing posted:Is it just me or does the defense showing long videos of George Floyd screaming out that he can't breathe and begging the officers to let him breathe, and just saying "REASONABLE FORCE" seem like a very counter-productive defense strategy? A dramatic rendering of his closing argument's effectiveness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICwHhj92WOk
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Apr 19, 2021 21:51
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I wonder how long it will take for a verdict to be returned.  if it's decided tonight.E: vv Ooh, that is good.
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Apr 19, 2021 21:58
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Apr 19, 2021 21:58
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What is this about "belittling of the defense?" I didn't watch the closing arguments. Nelson is calling for a mistrial due to "Prosecutorial misconduct."
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Apr 19, 2021 22:01
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Velocity Raptor posted:Nelson is calling for a mistrial due to "Prosecutorial misconduct." I had a hearty  at that
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Apr 19, 2021 22:02
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Velocity Raptor posted:What is this about "belittling of the defense?" I didn't watch the closing arguments.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:06
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Velocity Raptor posted:What is this about "belittling of the defense?" I didn't watch the closing arguments. its a hail mary to try again. i don't have a lot of confidence for a conviction personally just because its a cop but it is a pretty big hint that the defense thinks he screwed up big time.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:09
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Gaupo Guacho posted:not a law guy but that sounds desperate as poo poo Or mistrial because of Maxine Waters' comments the other day. Even the judge conceded the point that that was possible. Or seemingly now he dismissed that, I'm not sure.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:09
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Velocity Raptor posted:I wonder how long it will take for a verdict to be returned. It's twee dogshit, just like putting literal children and unprepped civies on the witness stand was twee dogshit. The prosecution seems to be more concerned with emotive brand-building than winning the specific case. Maybe I'm wrong and they're actually brain geniuses, depends what the jury decides I guess, but there's a bit of my brain that thinks the prosecution is doing culture war poo poo even at the risk of weakening their case.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:10
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"Motion for mistrial is denied."  E: Vitamin P posted:It's twee dogshit, just like putting literal children and unprepped civies on the witness stand was twee dogshit. The prosecution seems to be more concerned with emotive brand-building than winning the specific case.  It's a memorable way to close out arguments and it sticks with people. I think that'll go a long way staying at the front of the jury's mind while they deliberate.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:11
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:its a hail mary to try again. i don't have a lot of confidence for a conviction personally just because its a cop but it is a pretty big hint that the defense thinks he screwed up big time. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm guessing it's just to get these objections on the record for a future appeals attempt? I don't think anyone actually thinks that the judge would throw out the case at this point.
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Okay he ain't walking. Edit \/ Yes. but her heart is obviously in the right place Vitamin P fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Apr 19, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 22:17
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maxine waters is a loving dumbass
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Apr 19, 2021 22:18
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The defense attorney gives me Lionel Hutz vibes
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