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Fame Douglas posted:I'm all-in on the Fort Dietrich-theory. This, for me, was fairly compelling. all those events are all real, they did happen in that timeline. The kind of thing that will likely never be confirmed absent an actual collapse of the US government or intelligence services Could all be a coincidence. Like it could have been for JFK, or Watergate. But I'm disinclined to give the CDC the benefit of the doubt these days
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:well, not a Chinese lab. Have people here heard about the Fort Dietrich theory? am I married to you you literally sound like my spouse
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Didn't click^ However before you guys waste time just absolutely piling on this guy.. Unfortunately I think it's highly likely that this did happen from some human gently caress up somewhere, probably in China but maybe here. If not from research that is very ill-advised then from the horrific animal slaughter practices we do.
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Spinz posted:Didn't click^ Cannot confirm anything, the information, if it exists recorded somewhere, will be buried. But the barest minimum I think everyone should accept is it went global before being detected. It's frankly irrational to believe we would've caught it, infinitely more likely to have spread long before a big outbreak to pin it down, given global transit these days Trump definitely hosed up, but there was no scenario where it didn't get in. It was already in. It was already everywhere
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My Pfizer jabs were weird. I'm starting to think I've got a trick left arm or something. The first one when I was doing the 15 minute sit I started to get really light-headed. I have panic attack issues, and walking around a bit usually helps. I'm also a big dumb idiot, so I went to stand up and sortof half-fainted and wobbled back into my chair. The jab nurse gave me a juice and basically (nicely) told me to stop being loving dumb. I was in a big rush to make the appointment after work rescheduled some stuff, so I hadn't eaten much. Figured that was the problem, and made sure I had eaten normally when I went to get my second. I had my second in the same (left) arm, went to sit in the chair for the wait. I was feeling pretty normal, but 5 minutes in or so hey I'm starting to feel faint and woozy again. I kept my rear end parked in the chair and closed my eyes. It passed in a few minutes and I was all good. I've had flu shots before, and I'm pretty sure each one I've gotten was right arm. But the one time I had a blood draw they used my left and I full on passed out a couple minutes after. Starting to think no more poking things in my left arm, it's really weird.
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Enos Shenk posted:Starting to think no more poking things in my left arm, it's really weird. sounds psychosomatic
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Apr 19, 2021 18:40
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Enos Shenk posted:My Pfizer jabs were weird. I'm starting to think I've got a trick left arm or something. The first one when I was doing the 15 minute sit I started to get really light-headed. I have panic attack issues, and walking around a bit usually helps. I'm also a big dumb idiot, so I went to stand up and sortof half-fainted and wobbled back into my chair. The jab nurse gave me a juice and basically (nicely) told me to stop being loving dumb. I was in a big rush to make the appointment after work rescheduled some stuff, so I hadn't eaten much. Figured that was the problem, and made sure I had eaten normally when I went to get my second. I'm not a doctor, but the symptoms and timeline are suggestive that the lightheadedness and/or fainting is probably induced by a drop in blood pressure because you are worked up and anxious (consciously or not) so your blood pressure goes up, and when you relax afterwards, the sudden drop in pressure causes lightheadedness. I'd suggest that the 'left arm' hypothesis is probably just a red herring.
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:This, for me, was fairly compelling. all those events are all real, they did happen in that timeline. Ron Paul Atreides posted:it probably not true. Just one of those coincidence timelines to drive you crazy. But if I were trying to control the spin, I would put out the Chinese lab theory asap to just tar the whole possibility as conspiratorial thinking. This virus spreads extremely rapidly. If it was already killing people in the US in 2019 then we would have overwhelmed hospitals within a few months after the e-cig deaths.
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Also 2 nursing homes having a bunch of people die from a viral pneumonia isn’t that weird. Especially since a lot of the staff has multiple jobs and things jump facilities from that.
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Enos Shenk posted:My Pfizer jabs were weird. I'm starting to think I've got a trick left arm or something. The first one when I was doing the 15 minute sit I started to get really light-headed. I have panic attack issues, and walking around a bit usually helps. I'm also a big dumb idiot, so I went to stand up and sortof half-fainted and wobbled back into my chair. The jab nurse gave me a juice and basically (nicely) told me to stop being loving dumb. I was in a big rush to make the appointment after work rescheduled some stuff, so I hadn't eaten much. Figured that was the problem, and made sure I had eaten normally when I went to get my second. Normal stuff. Happens to me when I get IVs and blood draws. Make sure you're safely seated somewhere and give yourself 15 minutes for it to pass before you (carefully) get up and leave. Being able to put your head down helps too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_syncope Edit: Also, try to focus on something else while they're poking you. Don't look at it.
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Revisiting my grey market vaccine story from a while back... It turns out my friend wasn't being clear when he offered "gulf state adjacent" vaccines to be flown over. It was a voucher, to be redeemed at the local consulate/embassy. I was imagining vials in a diplomatic pouch. His family showed up this weekend (from various countries), and all got their shots at the embassy. This is in the US, but apparently they could choose from the whole world's menu- Sinovac, Sputnik, Covaxin, Pfizer, J&J, Moderna, etc. I'm all set through my county's services, so I obviously didn't participate, but I wanted to close out the story anyway.
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AnnoyBot posted:Revisiting my grey market vaccine story from a while back... Just lollin’ at the idea of someone with the choice of any vaccine going “give me the crappy one that’s like half as effective as the others”.
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Got my first shot of Moderna through UC Davis in Sacramento. They had a pretty good setup and was in and out pretty quick. They even had little golf cars picking people up in the parking lot. Got the shot Sunday and today my arm is pretty sore, no other symptoms.
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China was allowing some visa classes in if you've had Sinovac specifically. I guess if you *really* want to get into China you'd do that one. Not sure how well it combines with ones that actually work.
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I'm in Toronto and just before this poo poo got started my idiot province elected some idiot grifters so our response has been terrible and they legit did nothing to prepare for the vaccine rollout (just punted it to the municipalities a few weeks ago because The Town of Stouffville pop.: A bunch of deer is equipped to track and administer all this level of poo poo. I can't work from home and live in pretty much the hottest covid spot in the country. A popup clinic down the street announced that they were doing anyone over 18 in a hot spot area. Got down there immediately thanks to crowd sourcing and got my first Pfizer shot! They closed it down like 15 minutes after we got ours. Anyway, Conservatives suck at everything, people are cool, and despite how stupid the circumstances are I got a shot and can't be happier. Took my shirt off for the shot and danced a little jig with a security guard on my way out. Good feelings.  Stay safe and be kind, your turn will come sooooooon!
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Just lollin’ at the idea of someone with the choice of any vaccine going “give me the crappy one that’s like half as effective as the others”. One of them definitely did choose Sputnik. Apparently it's popular in their country.
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AnnoyBot posted:One of them definitely did choose Sputnik. Apparently it's popular in their country. Sputnik is one of the very effective vaccines, in line with Moderna and Pfizer.
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Cocaine Bear posted:I'm in Toronto and just before this poo poo got started my idiot province elected some idiot grifters so our response has been terrible and they legit did nothing to prepare for the vaccine rollout (just punted it to the municipalities a few weeks ago because The Town of Stouffville pop.: A bunch of deer is equipped to track and administer all this level of poo poo. Little Italy / little Portugal area? Same man. How did you hear about the pop up spot? I wasn’t able to sign up through UHN before they got overbooked.
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:Little Italy / little Portugal area? Same man. How did you hear about the pop up spot? I wasn’t able to sign up through UHN before they got overbooked. I'm also a Toronto goon and would be grateful to know where I should go to look for popup clinics. Most of the people in my social circle that lives in rural areas are already vaccinated while I'm in downtown Toronto and still waiting (cuz we don't vote for conservatives)
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Anne Whateley posted:I can't believe "wiping things down is probably a good idea" got mod pushback because that was a dangerous irresponsible conspiracy theory, and now everyone can just chat about the Fort Dietrich theory itt Okay you're right that's a super good point and you were right back then in my opinion but hopefully that Fort Dietrich posting just kind of ends and it may they are probed rn! I always value your posts for many months; you seem so knowledgeable in this thread. 
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Michael Corleone posted:What up P Gang! What is the timeline on if I get the side effects on my second shot? I am going at 10:40 AM tomorrow. Would like to go to my dads after because the site is halfway to his house. Can I hang out there for a few hours (in mask still) and come home. I had NO reaction to the first one. Just wondering if you can drive with the effects that likely won't happen according to probability. Could always stay there longer if needed to recover... I'm +9 hours since my shot and I've had a just a little bit of tiredness and my arm got slightly sore about 30 minutes ago. I felt a little warm earlier but it went away and didn't come back until the last few minutes. A cakewalk so far compared to my first shot which caused my arm to swell and hurt within 15 minutes and made me exhausted for a day. I have been doing stretches pretty much constantly since getting the shot though because I don't want my arm to be completely useless for a day like it was last time. We'll see if I get any more side effects or if this is it.
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Anne Whateley posted:I can't believe "wiping things down is probably a good idea" got mod pushback because that was a dangerous irresponsible conspiracy theory, and now everyone can just chat about the Fort Dietrich theory itt HGB got de-modded and I think was the only one reading this thread
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I’m not happy hearing that Pfizer2 gets worse the next day after I got it since I haven’t felt a thing all day, and I got jabbed 12 hours ago.
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jokes posted:I’m not happy hearing that Pfizer2 gets worse the next day after I got it since I haven’t felt a thing all day, and I got jabbed 12 hours ago. My wife got jabbed on Saturday and only had injection site soreness. So maybe you will be lucky and not have side effects.
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:Little Italy / little Portugal area? Same man. How did you hear about the pop up spot? I wasn’t able to sign up through UHN before they got overbooked. Vaccine hunters on twitter and one of the To discord servers. PM me if you want specifics. Had no luck with online bookings all week but for a quick minute the pop-up centre near us accepted anyone with a hot postal code. A fellow goon in line behind me just missed the cutoff 
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azurite posted:Normal stuff. Happens to me when I get IVs and blood draws. Make sure you're safely seated somewhere and give yourself 15 minutes for it to pass before you (carefully) get up and leave. Being able to put your head down helps too. Yeah it's just funny. I don't have needle-phobia or anything. I don't look, but I'm not terrified of it or anything. Flu shots in one arm, no problem at all. Sticks in the left, woozy train time. I agree it's likely just in my head, since it happened once you get amped up over it maybe happening again. Brains are weird.
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jokes posted:I’m not happy hearing that Pfizer2 gets worse the next day after I got it since I haven’t felt a thing all day, and I got jabbed 12 hours ago. I got pfizer2 on Sunday and I feel nothing except a mildly sore arm
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If anyone would like to read an article on virus labs with a little less tinfoil hat then this piece from Mother Jones last year I remember as being pretty good: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/05/the-non-paranoid-persons-guide-to-viruses-escaping-from-labs/
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IIRC weren't all the vape deaths in 2019 because of some chemical solvent that's super common in knock-off vape carts that just happens to be insanely toxic to lungs?
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frogge posted:IIRC weren't all the vape deaths in 2019 because of some chemical solvent that's super common in knock-off vape carts that just happens to be insanely toxic to lungs? it was a cheap flavor additive, popcorn lung was the condition
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frogge posted:IIRC weren't all the vape deaths in 2019 because of some chemical solvent that's super common in knock-off vape carts that just happens to be insanely toxic to lungs? Wasn't it like vitamin E or something? If memory serves the cheap ones were using something that basically coated the inside of the lungs in oil, which is just not a good idea. Lungs don't need or appreciate lube.
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OMFG FURRY posted:it was a cheap flavor additive, popcorn lung was the condition That's what it was, yeah! I seem to recall it being an issue with non-flavored cannabis carts that were going around that time, too, but that might have been because they were black market so who knows what was used.
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