i say swears online posted:

ah, a modern leftist

Zedhe Khoja posted:

we'll see. this is what his entire post-fishmongering life has been, it might not be that easy to stop, whatever the pressures and stresses

Dreylad posted:

in retrospect, the posting is praxis phase of CSPAM was pretty loving grim

i say swears online posted:

ah, a modern leftist

Larry Parrish posted:

Larry Parrish posted:

its important to remember that cspam is like maaybe 10 marxists in a massive sea of confused liberals and liberals who are intentionally being confusing. there were a lot of people taking their posting seriously about how the Bern Man is going to fix everything or whatever. don't let them brush it off as some kind of irony. they're dumbasses and you should make fun of them.

Often Abbreviated posted:

let's not be revisionist now, there were absolutely posters convinced that the police were on the edge of breaking point and if they just kept up the pressure a few more nights then the whole state response would buckle and fall to pieces. the police are cancelling all leave! they're running out of manpower! they must be low on tear gas by now! moments from victory, comrades!

turns out cops like overtime and they had tear gas to spare

thotsky posted:

I don't think people here actually believed the COOL ZONE was about to topple capitalism; it's just cool to see people gently caress with cops/the system, same as with Gilet Jaunes etc.

Koalas March posted:

Abolishing the police is the first step to dismantling capitalism.

This is a victory and the first step towards big change. Good change.

Remember: Another world is possible. 💖

shovelbum posted:

it can't really fizzle out because there is no more money in the country at all for most people

shovelbum posted:

This is the most armed country in the world, you cannot engineer a famine in it bloodlessly. Any suppression would, by August, have to be like demographically significant, we're talking tens or hundreds of millions slaughtered.

Skyelan posted:

lmao ya'll dumbass blackpillers can just admit you're goddamn terrified of the unknown. you sound like a bitch baby, desperate for any sign, watching like a hawk, then screaming SEE THIS NEVER MATTERED, I'M JUSTIFIED IN NOT CARING. then when things keep being heated, you retreat and tune out until the next excuse.

libs gonna get a harsh lesson, and the fires will keep on burning, like they have every time one of you kramers in, dick in hand, to talk about what a bright fire of wisdom you are for being a coward.

if it's so important to you, you can all can go be libertarian chuds simping about "every man for himself". sure as poo poo none of you were ever down to stand up for anyone else.

Don Pigeon posted:

i dont think this is just a "wave" that will die down. much like covid, there is no second wave because the first one never end.

young people have no money, no jobs, they still have bills to pay. rent is soon due.

Ice Phisherman posted:

Yeah, there are too few police, too many protesters who are angrier than they are afraid. And each new injustice only sends more people out.

I'm too hosed up to do activism today. Anxiety is killing me. I'm going to the doctor early in the morning to gets some meds to become functional and then I'm doing poo poo.

One of the huge factors here is that the police are a mixed bag of young to old people and they're going to come down with the rona if they haven't already while the protesters are primarily young people. Everyone will get sick, but the protesters will literally outlast the police once the rona and it will absolutely kill some of the cops.

If we just start seeing outbreaks of violence and you can't protest, I'm pretty sure that they'll start using dispersion tactics and this will morph into targeted strikes. From there it can go national.

This can't be put down with violence and I don't think people will ever really accept police brutality ever again. Even if the police are kept largely intact as an institution, which frankly I doubt now, I think that we're seeing the birth of a new protest culture. It turns out that peaceful protest doesn't work, but violence does and if you're crafty, you can get paid too.

Logistically, police cars getting burned is a huge problem. You can't just replace a police cruiser with ease. It takes time and money that the precincts don't have. You also can't just mint new police officers without sending people who are literally worse than the police to brutalize the public, making the public hate and attack them even more.

In the very short term you're going to see police officers laid low, collapse and die from the rona. Protesters run the gently caress over their bodies in just a few days. I predict that you'll see police officers literally collapse from lack of oxygen. Meanwhile, they're going to have a hard time getting around because their vehicles are being demolished and they won't be able to respond. And when that happens, looting will become even more widespread. And when you have a massive manpower shortage, disease running rampant, materiel being burned, you'll start seeing police stations burned not in ones and twos, but near completely gutted and destroyed city wide. You can't just replace those easily and if this continues, protesters will disrupt their ability to rebuild them.

I was talking to a veteran protester friend of mine and she tells me that in order to stay on their feet and shrug off exhaustion, some police officers are probably doing drugs by now to stay active and boost morale as they can just raid the evidence lockers for poo poo and they know where the local dealers are to take their poo poo. Most likely some sort of amphetamine. Crushed up xanax was her first opinion, though they could be doing meth or coke. The Chilean police were doing shitloads of coke during their protests in order to stay focused and mean and it didn't take them long. But if the police start doing meth, they're going to be able to go for five or six days in a row without rest before basically collapsing for at least a week or two with what feels like the worst flu ever.

And poo poo, I think it's really only a matter of time before police start getting harassed at their homes, which will frustrate, terrify and tire them out and require diversion of people to protect individuals or be forced to abandon their homes. Maybe not if they live in the suburbs, but definitely if they live in the city.

Basically this is an endurance contest and the police flat out can't endure this kind of attrition of manpower and materiel. And while they're not dying, they're suffering some pretty nasty injuries which will be added onto the virus which may very well kill them later. Then it'll be up to the national guard and the military, but they'll run into the exact same problems. I figure they'll be more disciplined and not provoke protesters. And if they can keep everyone cool, this might turn peaceful again, at least during the day. But they also might fire live rounds on protesters and there goes an entire generation of military worship up in flames. One of the last surviving American institutions with any trust loses the respect of most of the public besides the chuddiest of chuds.

There's literally no way for violence to solve this problem. You can't arrest and murder your way to suppressing 25% of unemployed people who are disproportionately young and disproportionately minority, and especially black. It's not possible. The myth of police invincibility is gone forever and decades of rage have bubbled over. And the longer the government refuses to capitulate, the more they'll have to give up. And even if they promise to give away basically everything, even everything might not be enough.

Larry Parrish posted:

its important to remember that cspam is like maaybe 10 marxists in a massive sea of confused liberals and liberals who are intentionally being confusing. there were a lot of people taking their posting seriously about how the Bern Man is going to fix everything or whatever. don't let them brush it off as some kind of irony. they're dumbasses and you should make fun of them.

Larry Parrish posted:

thank you. anyway the lib move wasn't to support bernie exactly it was to think bernie would be some kind of radical departure from the norm and not just a particularly nice liberal

Gripweed posted:

In protest against the police murdering black people, anarchists seized an intersection of Portland and turned it into an autonomous zone and created their own police force which immediately murdered two black teens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q-U2THOF00

Larry Parrish posted:

the reason accelerationism doesn't work is because the main strategy is predicated on hoping all the work magically happens. the contradictions will never result in a magic revolution happening over night, it will just worsen unrest, as we have seen. revolutionary sentiment has to be built

Puppy Galaxy posted:

loved the tweets about the “incredible shot placement,” showing a shot out car window with bloodstained carseats

Deified Data posted:

In podcast-related news Robert Evans was weirdly insistent on driving home the anti-semitism of Marx and the left of his time in an episode about the right-wing conspiracy theory, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

just so you know both sides are represented

Ytlaya posted:

Just finished listening to the Koch brothers TrueAnon episodes (been going through past episodes, which is actually works pretty well for TrueAnon since it's light on the "recent events commentary"), and one thing I like about that podcast is that Brace and Liz seem like a couple of the very rare public figures/personalities on the left who actually have a clear-eyed view of where the left stands. Those episodes were from 9/20, so before the primary crushed a lot of peoples' hopes, and Brace mentions how it's dumb when the left mocks libertarianism given the libertarians are dramatically closer to actual power than the left.

In general there seems to be a big problem with people on the left being irrationally optimistic to an extent where it feels like they believe optimism is itself a virtue (and not being optimistic a sin). Like Brace says in one of those episodes, that self of self-deception is absolutely fatal, because you don't really stand a chance if you're mentally living in some fantasy world where the left is ascendant.

Shipon posted:

love that the person who said this is buddy buddy with donoteat

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Dreylad posted:

people also forget that marx said there's two outcomes: a revolution or the common ruin of the contending classes.

Xaris posted:

you can just click most any link and see that for pages.

anyways not really interested in rehashing cz or bernie poo poo in da freaking podcast megathread. there's Blowback season 2 to listen to instead which we should all be doing

Deified Data posted:

In podcast-related news Robert Evans was weirdly insistent on driving home the anti-semitism of Marx and the left of his time in an episode about the right-wing conspiracy theory, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

just so you know both sides are represented


agreed

Deified Data posted:

In podcast-related news Robert Evans was weirdly insistent on driving home the anti-semitism of Marx and the left of his time in an episode about the right-wing conspiracy theory, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

just so you know both sides are represented


agreed

Popy posted:

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1034284654671552513?s=20

hope this doesnt count as doxing a SA poster or something

Smythe posted:

secret, forbidden goon podcasts