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Everyone posted:Things are considerably different now than they were when Agents of Shield/Agent Carter/The Marvel Netflix shows were airing. The people who star in the big Marvel films are in these TV shows as stars, not as vaguely mentioned cameos. Disney is running this very much with the Pokemon-style "gotta watch 'em all." Which means subscribing to Disney+. I have no problem believing that Wyatt Russell and Kathryn Hahn will be showing up in Marvel movies. There is no Movie/TV division now. It's all one empire under Walt. I fully expect that Disney will de-canonize the TVverse sans Daredevil and maybe Jessica Jones/Luke Cage within the next year or so.
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STAC Goat posted:And if he's got that thing from Black Panther where his suit absorbs kinetic energy and throws it back that theoretically gives him augmented strength and durability in a fist fight with super soldiers. I doubt that his suit would have that even if he had a nanomachine vibranium weave suit, since it'd make him a bit too similar to Black Panther in terms of fight choreography, and lessen his reliance on the shield as his primary gimmick in a fight.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:21
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There's some minor spoilers from toys released a month or so ago. It's Another wing suit. That has larger wings and a slightly different design. It isn't a full body suit or nanomachine weave.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:24
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tsob posted:I doubt that his suit would have that even if he had a nanomachine vibranium weave suit, since it'd make him a bit too similar to Black Panther in terms of fight choreography, and lessen his reliance on the shield as his primary gimmick in a fight. I mean they can mention it as a handwave explanation for why he's not getting killed, but his fight style is still pretty significantly different from Black Panther and he lacks all the enhanced abilities Panther had. I don't expect him to start chasing down cars and leaping them. So yeah, I don't expect the visual affects of the kinetic thing or anything. But just a "vibranium absorbs damage and kicks it back" kind of quick handwave. Basically the same rough physics of his shield.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:26
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STAC Goat posted:I mean they can mention it as a handwave explanation for why he's not getting killed, but his fight style is still pretty significantly different from Black Panther and he lacks all the enhanced abilities Panther had. I don't expect him to start chasing down cars and leaping them. Yeah, it being bulletproof/kinetic energy absorbing enough to keep him from dying instantly when a super soldier punches him would be good enough. He doesn't need the full Black Panther suit. And he definitely has his own fighting style using the wings a lot, a better suit just to keep him alive would be different enough.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:31
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If we get rid of those sweet wing jet pack kip ups the world will be worse off for it.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:42
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Yeah, it feels like a fundamental mistake to spend the whole show showing us how Sam fights with the wings and jet pack and then stripping that away. I guess it makes more sense if you introduce Torres as Falcon II but I dunno. It makes sense not only for Sam not to give up a tactical weapon he's good at and which is fun to watch but also it helps define his Captain America as his own hero and not just Steve Rogers' replacement.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:49
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, it feels like a fundamental mistake to spend the whole show showing us how Sam fights with the wings and jet pack and then stripping that away. I guess it makes more sense if you introduce Torres as Falcon II but I dunno. It makes sense not only for Sam not to give up a tactical weapon he's good at and which is fun to watch but also it helps define his Captain America as his own hero and not just Steve Rogers' replacement. The problem then becomes how do you define Torres as his own Falcon when he's literally just a worse Captain America? He'll have to get some new gimmick too, beyond a wing pack and drone. Which, I'm not really sure what he can get honestly, without stepping on some toes or introducing new technology we haven't seen up to now in the MCU for him to exploit. If he beefs up the wing suit with more armor or melee weapons (guns makes him like Civil War Sam) then he starts to resemble Vulture, and it'd take some explanation to introduce biological or hardlight wings for Torres; especially when he's ostensibly repairing Sam's old wings to become the Falcon in the first place.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:00
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Torres has that 70's neckline on his costume, that's as different at we need
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Apr 19, 2021 23:05
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Presumably the Air Force will still want a Falcon after Sam goes off to do Captain America stuff. Or SWORD. We've seen that they could use a specialist. Torres could randomly show up in Armor Wars doing his own thing.
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Its Rinaldo posted:If we get rid of those sweet wing jet pack kip ups the world will be worse off for it. You could easily keep the wing jets, just some sort of body suit to keep him from dying. He already wears some armor, kind of like Cap always had some sort of padding/armor. Just keep the wings too, integrate them into the suit.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:08
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I'm still not 100% sold that Torres isn't just an easter egg, but assuming he is gonna be Falcon II in the short term future I don't think its THAT big a deal that he's a bit derivative of Sam. Its basically an Iron Man - War Machine deal. If Sam's visually distinctive enough, has the shield, is tougher due to a vibranium suit, maybe has a few tricks or weapons all his own? Then Torres being his own guy who looks different and does his own thing is fine, I think. Even if he is just a "worse Captain America" just as War Machine could be called "a worse Iron Man". There's still be use for another super hero, especially from the military. A visually distinct look, Redwing, maybe some other trick. I think Torres' Falcon COULD work. But he's been given so little time or characterization in the series I dunno.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:15
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Isn't Torres in the comics like a literal vampire with bird wings? Time to resurrect Karl from Jessica Jones to make it happen
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Torres could actually work thematically in Armor Wars since that comic's all about copied superhero tech. Maybe even get into the ethics of who actually deserves to use it.
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That aside, I came across a Reddit thread with some concept art for the upcoming What If...? show the other day I've been meaning to post.    It appears to be Gamora in Thanos' armor, which would presumably mean a scenario where she happily succeeded him and is now the primary threat, King Loki, so a Loki who defeated the Avengers in Avengers 1, Ultron with several of the Infinity Stones in his chest, the Collector and Sakaar Iron Man. Sakaar being the gladiator planet in Thor: Ragnarok. The idea of King Loki at least matches up with some of what we see in the trailer, but Thanos Gamora or Sakaar Iron Man might just have been concepts that never made it to film for all I know. Interesting either way. tsob fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 19, 2021 23:27
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tsob, please use a better image host.
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I'm open to suggestions, since I literally just used the first one a Google search returned. It's hosting them too, so I don't really see what needs to be better.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:50
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Use imgur, its so much easier, and less flooded with ads.
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I didn't think Imgur worked with SA, but that might have been something resolved years ago. Either way, edited.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:10
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What if Ric Flair was in the MCU
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tsob posted:I didn't think Imgur worked with SA, but that might have been something resolved years ago. Either way, edited. Imgur has been the SA image host of choice for many, many years now. Like, almost a decade, since the one made for SA went down, whose name I now forget. edit: waffleimages, that was it!
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thrawn527 posted:Imgur has been the SA image host of choice for many, many years now. Like, almost a decade, since the one made for SA went down, whose name I now forget. It was waffleimages and it's still a shame it went down without everything getting put on some other host.
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pik_d posted:It was waffleimages and it's still a shame it went down without everything getting put on some other host. Yes! Just edited my post, but you beat me to it.
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So I'm caught up with the show now, and overall I like it except for the vague terrorist organization of vagueness that we only see a couple real members of. So it's refugees created by everyone coming back from the snap, basically waging war against the comic book version of... the UN High Commission for Refugees? And it's sort of hinted that they're THEY TOOK OUR JERBS fash-y, but also they're anarchists who want a world without borders or governments? Their big act was blowing up... people working at a warehouse? Like the pallet jack driver was the one withholding refugee aid or some poo poo? I've reached the point where I kind of just tune them out. It's the one thing about the show that I cannot possibly give a poo poo about.
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Yeah, the show hasn't really said why the organization designed to help the half of humanity who died and came back is evil and needs resisting beyond "We're not special anymore" spite. Karli keeps saying the world was a utopia before everyone came back but it looked pretty dire in Endgame.
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Codependent Poster posted:What if Ric Flair was in the MCU the avengers would have lost
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Codependent Poster posted:What if Ric Flair was in the MCU Next episode of The Nature Boy has a scene set in Parts Unknown. I think a cameo by The Midnight Rider is coming.
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sean10mm posted:So it's refugees created by everyone coming back from the snap, basically waging war against the comic book version of... the UN High Commission for Refugees? Yeah, the MCU has played this game before when they need a large political organization but don't want to be too close to the real world. Remember the "World Security Council"? quote:And it's sort of hinted that they're THEY TOOK OUR JERBS fash-y, but also they're anarchists who want a world without borders or governments? It took a few episodes to explain the intra-blip status quo and they sort of brushed past it but - when half the world's population disappeared, every country was in a scramble for person power to try to make things as close to normal as possible. Labor was in super high demand, and everyone tried to bring people to their countries. Except nothing actually changed, and when everyone got snapped back, nativism was the name of the game again and the countries of the world came together to put everyone back in their original countries. So, yeah, the Smashers are pissed that the newly appeared people "TOOK OUR JERBS" but it's sort of the opposite of the nationalism associated with fascism. It's also a reaction to the fact that people who had been valued labor were, with the snap of Banner's fingers, reclassified as "refugees" and shunted into underfunded camps. I think its actually a reasonably internally consistent consequence of "half the world vanishes then comes back 5 years later," although it might come uncomfortably close to "maybe Thanos was right." quote:Their big act was blowing up... people working at a warehouse? Like the pallet jack driver was the one withholding refugee aid or some poo poo? I mean, their act was stealing supplies for the refugee camps. Pretty standard Robin Hood stuff. The explosion was Karli going off script by going full on terrorist, which is a choice the show is very much not done dealing with. quote:I've reached the point where I kind of just tune them out. It's the one thing about the show that I cannot possibly give a poo poo about. Yeah it definitely feels less developed than the Walker stuff. Evidence suggests there were some re-writes around this plot that certainly didn't help anything.
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The more I think about it, the more I come to realize it is all Tony's fault for being selfish. He wanted his daughter so he made everyone promise not to just undo the last 5 years (the way they did it in the comics.) He should just have said "let Pepper and I keep our memories and daughter and reset everything else."
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Mage_Boy posted:The more I think about it, the more I come to realize it is all Tony's fault for being selfish. He wanted his daughter so he made everyone promise not to just undo the last 5 years (the way they did it in the comics.) He should just have said "let Pepper and I keep our memories and daughter and reset everything else." And everyone else who made new lives and new relationships, and especially all those little kids 0-5 years old running around out there, gently caress them too. edit: Tony undoing all life from the last five years would have made him every bit as much of a galactic mass-murderer as Thanos. AJA fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Mage_Boy posted:The more I think about it, the more I come to realize it is all Tony's fault for being selfish. He wanted his daughter so he made everyone promise not to just undo the last 5 years (the way they did it in the comics.) He should just have said "let Pepper and I keep our memories and daughter and reset everything else." I mean the comic took place over the course of what, a day? That's much less of a conundrum to unwind.
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https://twitter.com/brennancaldwell/status/1382145604986540039
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Man, I’m wondering just how hosed up the rest of the universe is, right now. Also, just rewatched the first The Avengers. Jesus, what a turd. So glad Whedon is gone.
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Maybe Hulk only snapped Earth back and now the whole universe had extra reason to hate us
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Bust Rodd posted:Ice-T has been solving sex mysteries for twenty years, becoming a famous rapper is usually only the first step to empirical greatness I continually get a kick from the fact that the guy who helped write "Cop Killer" has spent way more of his career as a fake police officer than an a real rapper.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Man, I’m wondering just how hosed up the rest of the universe is, right now. We are probably going to find out with Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain Marvel and maybe Thor. Speaking of Avengers...which one had Black Widow on a motorcycle going "beep beep". That was a Whedon, right? Oh god....I hated that. 
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Desperado Bones posted:
That was Ultron I think.
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my favorite part of The Avengers is when Tony says something about Steve spending time as "a Cap-sicle" and you can see the pure disdain for the line seeping through RDJ's face
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Polaron posted:Yeah, the show hasn't really said why the organization designed to help the half of humanity who died and came back is evil and needs resisting beyond "We're not special anymore" spite. Karli keeps saying the world was a utopia before everyone came back but it looked pretty dire in Endgame. Well there was the whole "letting people die of completely preventable diseases, the cure for which we have in this warehouse right over here collecting dust", and presumably the same exact issue with food. And the rounding up of people who originally had been asked to move for labor reasons and putting them in refugee camps, and then (soon) voting on straight up ejecting them from the countries they had moved to without recourse. The flag smashers explicitly stated the problem is that the people who were in charge before the snap, when the world sucked (see: current RL america) simply went right back into power after the blip, so it's back to business as usual when the world has been shown that there is a better way. Lotta LIBERALS UP IN HERE
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Essentially: karli did nothing wrong, but the writers gotta maker her needlessly bloodthirsty and kill tied up people so that we don't root for her too hard
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