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bawfuls posted:yup, all of these are inevitable if this gets off the ground The PFA has been around for well over a century.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:41
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mistermojo posted:wait I don't understand, so if you're a founding member you can't be knocked out? so if you finish in the bottom five some qualifying team above you has to qualify again? There's no way the 5 rotating teams thing lasts or even works. They're selling it to broadcasters as a 20 team league and will expand with permanent members as soon as someone that isn't already included blinks.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:43
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Vando posted:It's never going to be coefficients, it's going to be whoever opens the most valuable markets or otherwise brings financial reward to the rest somehow. oh yeah, that's just as a reference point for who's in and who's out among the current top 50-odd teams, if celtic ever got in on merit I'll give you the keys to my car
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Apr 20, 2021 00:43
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Where do we think teams 13 through 15 are going to be dragged from? With Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Porto all saying they aren't going to be involved who does that leave? I can't see any club joining without a 'domestic' rival of some sort, so if there's no Porto surely Benfica wouldn't consider it? How about Ajax/Feyenoord/PSV? Those 3 are a bit of a push but probably more believable than Anderlecht/Club Brugge/Standard Liege ...... I'd like to think they (the 12) couldn't bribe anyone else into joining them but lol
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Apr 20, 2021 00:43
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mistermojo posted:wait I don't understand, so if you're a founding member you can't be knocked out? so if you finish in the bottom five some qualifying team above you has to qualify again? 15 teams play football where winning doesn’t matter and share profits according to predefined contracts. Each year, they invite 5 random garbage teams such that teams like Arsenal or Tottenham look less like clowns. These teams do nit get shares of profits.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:44
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bawfuls posted:yup, all of these are inevitable if this gets off the ground Players have a pretty strong union in FIFPRO and most domestic leagues have their own players unions as well.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:45
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biglads posted:Where do we think teams 13 through 15 are going to be dragged from? With Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG and Porto all saying they aren't going to be involved who does that leave? Would they even be allowed to in european leagues given whats happened already? Strongest contenders for me rn are teams outside europe
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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FullLeatherJacket posted:people from cspam got real mad when dudes said player salaries, but totally player salaries yeah, everyone thinks this angle means greedy players but it's actually greedy owners aiming for unsustainable glory, fuelled by the teams at the top who can pump the most money in come to think of it the end result of this being the nuking of the Big 12 and the realisation amongst owners that you actually can't grow revenues indefinitely is something that might help the game immensely, but then again the world is cursed so that's never going to happen
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:wait until US Arsenal fans realize that Stan Kroenke is a cheap fucker and only wants this Super League for the easy payouts, and Arsenal gets clowned on by the European elite every year and ends up in the bottom half every season Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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bawfuls posted:yup, all of these are inevitable if this gets off the ground I don't see how a draft could work.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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Just lol if you think PSG is some sort of moralistic group; the only reason they haven’t been in to this is because BeIN has broadcast rights to the CL and they don’t want to devalue that by leaving. As soon as that poo poo dries up they’ll be in this thing.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Another interesting factor would be teams in Spain and Italy that are not included. A lot of this teams don’t rely that much on Madrid or Barcelona for revenue as tv rights in Spain are per club basis so they are getting paid a pittance. I feel that those two teams loving off and leaving might be a good thing for the competition of La Liga making sure everybody is a much more equal footing.A season in which you don’t know from the start who is going to be in competition would be a radical change.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:46
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sudo rm -rf posted:this is just purely an on-field ranking, correct? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes%27_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs#Current_ranking you'll note a correlation here
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Apr 20, 2021 00:47
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Gigi Galli posted:Just lol if you think PSG is some sort of moralistic group; the only reason they haven’t been in to this is because BeIN has broadcast rights to the CL and they don’t want to devalue that by leaving. As soon as that poo poo dries up they’ll be in this thing. You think any german club owners that wernt subject to their countries ownership rules are quitely in this camp?
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Apr 20, 2021 00:49
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mistermojo posted:wait I don't understand, so if you're a founding member you can't be knocked out? so if you finish in the bottom five some qualifying team above you has to qualify again? If you're a founding member you can't get knocked out. Ever. And you always get way more money than the qualifying teams, no matter how badly you do.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:52
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uXs posted:If you're a founding member you can't get knocked out. Ever. And you always get way more money than the qualifying teams, no matter how badly you do. It's literally American owners recreating the NFL.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:53
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cadfael posted:Would they even be allowed to in european leagues given whats happened already? Strongest contenders for me rn are teams outside europe Honestly I have no idea but I find it hard to believe we're this far down the road of this lovely 15+5 league idea when there isn't even a 15 to start with. Does adding in Kashima Antlers, Al-Ahly & Kaizer Chiefs (or whoever) to the dozen breakaway teams help them? I think they've got to have at least 3 other European teams ready.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:53
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sassassin posted:Aston Villa I want this now, let them break off.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:54
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biglads posted:Honestly I have no idea but I find it hard to believe we're this far down the road of this lovely 15+5 league idea when there isn't even a 15 to start with. Does adding in Kashima Antlers, Al-Ahly & Kaizer Chiefs (or whoever) to the dozen breakaway teams help them? I think they've got to have at least 3 other European teams ready. Thats the staggering thing about this or so it seems, how far down this road we now are. This is different to the previous shake-up's of the european cup as far as i know, its frightening. Like i said i think it will go to the courts and something else will come of it but ive no idea what will come of it now.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:57
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shirts and skins posted:loving Americans still at it
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Apr 20, 2021 00:58
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uXs posted:If you're a founding member you can't get knocked out. Ever. And you always get way more money than the qualifying teams, no matter how badly you do. now that's a good deal. from what I understand it's just replacing the Champions League which I guess sucks but it's not like this is the only league they'll be playing in though maybe thats the goal eventually, but it seems like they play way too many games as it is
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Apr 20, 2021 00:59
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biglads posted:Honestly I have no idea but I find it hard to believe we're this far down the road of this lovely 15+5 league idea when there isn't even a 15 to start with. Does adding in Kashima Antlers, Al-Ahly & Kaizer Chiefs (or whoever) to the dozen breakaway teams help them? I think they've got to have at least 3 other European teams ready. They probably don't want to add crappy teams just to get the numbers up. They're waiting for PSG, Bayern, and Dortmund to join. And since they said no, they'll probably start the league as-is, make lots of money, and force those teams to give in. The temporary 5 team rotation will be around until they have ~20 full-time members and then they'll permanently close it like US sports. Future expansions would need to be done by buying your way in like NFL.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:01
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mistermojo posted:now that's a good deal. from what I understand it's just replacing the Champions League which I guess sucks but it's not like this is the only league they'll be playing in I dont see how it will be a good deal for the players at all if they are made to choose between club/country/uefa leagues
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Apr 20, 2021 01:02
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Do people actually care about the Champions League? I thought the domestic leagues were the thing fans cared about.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:03
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Do people actually care about the Champions League? I thought the domestic leagues were the thing fans cared about. Yes the european cup is cared about and is seen by many as the pinicle of this sport
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Apr 20, 2021 01:04
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Do people actually care about the Champions League? I thought the domestic leagues were the thing fans cared about. Yes people care about the champions league
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Apr 20, 2021 01:05
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cadfael posted:I dont see how it will be a good deal for the players at all if they are made to choose between club/country/uefa leagues oh lol I meant for the owners
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Apr 20, 2021 01:07
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cadfael posted:You think any german club owners that wernt subject to their countries ownership rules are quitely in this camp? Leipzig because Red Bull. 100%.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:07
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Do people actually care about the Champions League? 
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Apr 20, 2021 01:07
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Vando posted:yeah, everyone thinks this angle means greedy players but it's actually greedy owners aiming for unsustainable glory, fuelled by the teams at the top who can pump the most money in
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Apr 20, 2021 01:08
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mistermojo posted:oh lol I meant for the owners Sure for them it possibly is...i just think the reprucssions in the end would lead it to be a titanic
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Apr 20, 2021 01:09
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sudo rm -rf posted:it seems like big football clubs run into financial trouble more often than american sport franchises Who are the Mets of England here in terms of being really bad at money?
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Apr 20, 2021 01:12
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Florentino Pérez as the chairman is a bone chilling thing , any other team not RM should be concerned. He has driven RM into a debt hole 1B deep, has crushed and burned more than one project, he has his tendrils in the most corrupt economic sector of the Spanish economy ( construction) and he’s responsible for quite few deaths in the aged care systems in Spain. gently caress I hate this garbage and it’s making me into a third world Maoist reactionary combo.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:12
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hump day bitches! posted:Florentino Pérez as the chairman is a bone chilling thing , any other team not RM should be concerned.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:13
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Rad Russian posted:They probably don't want to add crappy teams just to get the numbers up. They're waiting for PSG, Bayern, and Dortmund to join. And since they said no, they'll probably start the league as-is, make lots of money, and force those teams to give in. The temporary 5 team rotation will be around until they have ~20 full-time members and then they'll permanently close it like US sports. Future expansions would need to be done by buying your way in like NFL. I'm kinda hoping for Honved, Dukla Prague & Red Star Belgrade tbh.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:13
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Listening to the radio 5 podcast before the leeds game again and the non-football playing pundit says in regards to this thing working 'I cant see how it does, and i cant see how anyone turns back'.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:15
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biglads posted:I'm kinda hoping for Honved, Dukla Prague & Red Star Belgrade tbh.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:15
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biglads posted:I'm kinda hoping for Honved, Dukla Prague & Red Star Belgrade tbh. Even though Spartak is dunking on this publicly, I'd bet anything they wanted in but couldn't get the profit sharing to work with their barely concealed corruption and skimming off the top.
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sassassin posted:Aston Villa Ossett, Otley, Ikley Moor, Sheffield, Manchester, Castleford, Skem, Doncaster, Dewsbury, Hali-fax, Bingley, Bramall, Are all in the North.
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