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Flayer posted:Jack Walker and Blackburn is an example of that, Roman Abramovich is not. A local supporter having a few extra million is worlds away from a billionaire oligarch with global business ties being allowed to obliterate the culture of a club and ushered in this era where more and more clubs are owned by some global magnate or political entity. I grew up in north London in an area where everyone supported Arsenal and the club and it's culture seeped through the entire community. That culture is being slowly destroyed and eroded to create "Arsenal Franchise" who will play home games in Singapore or whatever and are designed to appeal to a nebulous customer from somewhere on the opposite side of the globe. Success will be measured purely on a spreadsheet and the local community that nurtured the club will become utterly irrelevant and will die out. This destruction of the local community happens to every club that gets swept up in the travesty of international ownership. This Superleague is just a symptom of the disease and the inevitable result of global interests being allowed to own and run football clubs and that really started in England with the purchase of Chelsea by Abramovich. In good faith, what aspects of culture are you referring to? I can think of a couple, like the packed pubs beforehand and the walk to the ground, but I haven't been to a game for a few years now. Genuinely curious what you have to say about this.
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The DPRK posted:In good faith, what aspects of culture are you referring to? I can think of a couple, like the packed pubs beforehand and the walk to the ground, but I haven't been to a game for a few years now. Genuinely curious what you have to say about this. "Culture" is probably not quite the right way to describe it but I suspect what he's getting at is the feeling that everyone in the local area has a shared experience around matchdays, that sort of thing. As it becomes more about the money than the club, that feeling of belonging to a social endeavour gets replaced by what is essentially just brand loyalty. Vando fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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I would very much like to know what America did to deserve James loving Corden It seems like he's everywhere too
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webmeister posted:they're absolutely going to make even more money by holding the games themselves in beijing and new york and melbourne and wherever that's also the workaround for any visa issues (which are going to be fairly minimal anyway, even with brexit it wouldn't apply to EU nationals) you might not have a right to work in the uk, but a uk company (or realistically a local subsidiary thereof) can pay you as a foreign national to do work in dubai or luxembourg or wherever else you can slam a pitch down, and there's not a great deal of recourse there
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Kick them all out. No concessions, no mercy. Domestic football will be fine without them.
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Crazy Ted posted:I would very much like to know what America did to deserve I mean, the list is quite long.
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TheRat posted:I mean, the list is quite long. I've been accidentally subjected to that fucker rapping
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Don't worrt, Brexit and Boris Johnson are going to stop this lads, about the only benefit of either.
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Crazy Ted posted:It seems like an extra-special punishment tho Oh he is just the second course after Piers Morgan. We have got rid of our most ginger royal to them as well. Special relationship indeed.
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still lolling that it happening this season makes it look like liverpool Spurs chelsea and arsenal are all just real mad at leicester and West Ham having the loving nerve to win more games than their betters
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Pep is a bald fraud but he's said more against the super league idea than Klopp did.
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err posted:There is no going back. This has been planned for awhile, I'm sure these clubs and ESL have contingency plans in place to deal with negative fallout. It's been planned for a while but that doesn't mean they have contingency plans. So far it seems like the clubs are legitimately surprised by the extent of the backlash and some of the non-ringleaders are shocked that the ringleaders weren't more prepared for this and didn't even have basic poo poo like a consistent media strategy sorted out before making the announcement. It's an ad hoc shambles from top to bottom, which is exactly what you should expect from a bunch of greedy billionaires biting JP Morgan's hand off as a way to get out of the unsustainable debt they've wracked up by only ever thinking three months ahead for the last two decades.
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sassassin posted:Kick them all out. No concessions, no mercy. Domestic football will be fine without them. Actually, since the Prem's next package of TV rights are being negotiated at the moment, domestic football will be absolutely hosed without the draw of the Fat 6 in the league. However they have no choice but to kick them out, since they won't be playing in the same competition for the same prize so it would turn the league into a joke to let them stay.
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The DPRK posted:In good faith, what aspects of culture are you referring to? I can think of a couple, like the packed pubs beforehand and the walk to the ground, but I haven't been to a game for a few years now. Genuinely curious what you have to say about this. Speaking as a geordie - my mum probably couldn't name a current Newcastle player, let alone want to watch a game or something, but has no problem talking to e.g. the taxi driver, random person in supermarket queue about our chances of relegation given Fulham drew at the weekend. She cares about Newcastle the city, and by extension how the football club does, and quite a lot of people are like this in that the actual football part of it is irrelevant. So the team feels like a constant part of everyday life. Obvs helps that there's really only one team in the city
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sassassin posted:Pep is a bald fraud but he's said more against the super league idea than Klopp did. klopp was put in a really lovely situation, by all admissions this was not consulted with any managers or players. Klopp had to make a statement as the first manager when faced with a difficult fixture in a cursed season. I wouldn't be too harsh on him unless he keeps toeing the line a day or two from now on.
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It’s pretty amazing how badly they’ve cocked this breakaway up. Announcing a half baked plan for a super league without all the teams on board in the middle of the season without informing your managers of the move and then trotting Perez out to be the sole defender of the league in the public eye has really been a breathtaking thing to watch.
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I just wanna know what Jose has to say now that he need not toe any lines
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dex_sda posted:klopp was put in a really lovely situation, by all admissions this was not consulted with any managers or players. Klopp had to make a statement as the first manager when faced with a difficult fixture in a cursed season. I wouldn't be too harsh on him unless he keeps toeing the line a day or two from now on. He didn't have to have a meltdown and cry about how Gary Neville talking about "YNWA" should be illegal lmao.
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greazeball posted:Actually, since the Prem's next package of TV rights are being negotiated at the moment, domestic football will be absolutely hosed without the draw of the Fat 6 in the league. However they have no choice but to kick them out, since they won't be playing in the same competition for the same prize so it would turn the league into a joke to let them stay. 10 years ago the PL TV deal was half what it is now and the domestic game was fine. Costs have risen out of control in England simply because there's that £100m/year pot of gold sitting at the end of the rainbow. Players are getting 5 figures a week in the Championship and League One and it's not because the PL is so generous in trickling down its wealth, or the quality of player is much better. Everyone's either going for it or simply trying to keep up with the Joneses and avoid relegation. Kick out the 6 if they think they'll be better off, let a few clubs with unsustainable debts go to the wall. The EFL TV deal is tiny already so it barely effects the most at-risk. Sky made a load of unfashionable shite popular in the 90s, they can do it again.
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TheRat posted:He didn't have to have a meltdown and cry about how Gary Neville talking about "YNWA" should be illegal lmao. yeah it was a bit stupid but again, maybe let's give the guy in a really difficult situation some leeway. fwiw I was very surprised how Gary Neville handled it, said he didn't mean it like that and clarified that he supports klopp and liverpool supporters without any jabs
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for every esl team staff member https://twitter.com/theyareaboutyou/status/1384491115500347398?s=20
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Also that 6 already take a bunch of the TV deal money so everyone else, even with a reduced deal, probably gets at least back to where they've historically been revenue wise. Leicester and West Ham would probably lose out the most but you can't win them all, and it probably shouldn't be disastrous.
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vyelkin posted:It's been planned for a while but that doesn't mean they have contingency plans. So far it seems like the clubs are legitimately surprised by the extent of the backlash and some of the non-ringleaders are shocked that the ringleaders weren't more prepared for this and didn't even have basic poo poo like a consistent media strategy sorted out before making the announcement. It's an ad hoc shambles from top to bottom, which is exactly what you should expect from a bunch of greedy billionaires biting JP Morgan's hand off as a way to get out of the unsustainable debt they've wracked up by only ever thinking three months ahead for the last two decades. I know the discussion has gone on for years, decades really, but I've read a few things suggesting that it's literally something they slapped together in the last few days and shat out into the world
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TheRat posted:He didn't have to have a meltdown and cry about how Gary Neville talking about "YNWA" should be illegal lmao. Yeah, he went too hard in defending the players, but I think the interview yesterday was probably overall still a decent play by Klopp in that position and I expect he'll be giving them both barrels behind closed doors. As dex_sda said, if he's being a bootlicker going forward we'll tear him a new one
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Good Lad https://twitter.com/MarcusRashford/status/1384494671129301002
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i think that man utd being kicked out of the premiership should mean we get to keep jesse lingard
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sassassin posted:Kick them all out. No concessions, no mercy. Domestic football will be fine without them. Hell yeah
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Premier League's statement after the meeting of 14 today (from the guardian's live ticker)quote:The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal. The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition.
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What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. The super league is about removing competition.
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sassassin posted:What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. "Football is nothing without [legacy] fans" - Sir Matt Busby
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sassassin posted:What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. He's saying he agrees with the fans, also lmao Perez is lying like every politician when it comes to something that means they benefit "actually this is what you want, trust me"
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webmeister posted:I know the discussion has gone on for years, decades really, but I've read a few things suggesting that it's literally something they slapped together in the last few days and shat out into the world Remember that just a few years ago two of the ringleader clubs couldn't complete a major transfer because of a fax machine malfunction. That's the level of competence and foresight we're dealing with here.
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Vando posted:He's saying he agrees with the fans, also lmao Perez is lying like every politician when it comes to something that means they benefit "actually this is what you want, trust me" Can't rule out the possibility he's just really, really dumb.
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greazeball posted:Premier League's statement after the meeting of 14 today (from the guardian's live ticker) Weaker than what we've seen from Ceferin and the danish UEFA dude. Not good imo, but I guess it's more realistic wrt what may acually be done.
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