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Internet Wizard posted:There’s always the off chance that their rifles are hammer down on an empty chamber, which makes it impossible to engage the safety on the AR pattern. An extremely unlikely event but I suppose it’s possible. The article has that Delta guy explaining that they drop the hammer on an empty chamber on purpose, because that way if the gun won't go on safe they know it's empty. But if the gun does go on safe, they don't know the condition of the weapon. This is somehow supposed to be better than just doing it right somehow.
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Small brain: If it's on safe, it could be loaded (but unable to fire). Big brain: If it's on fire, it could be unloaded/hammer down... or it could be loaded and snagging the trigger on a piece of gear could kill somebody. I get the message people are trying to send with the whole "once I touch the safety I can tell it's disarmed, but until I do I have no idea and it's also completely possible it's loaded and capable of being set off accidentally" but why not just be able to tell at a glance that the weapon is incapable of being discharged, regardless of whether the chamber is loaded, barring mechanical failure? This is a stupid argument, and I am an idiot for participating. Proper thread. Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 18:20
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Internet Wizard posted:There’s always the off chance that their rifles are hammer down on an empty chamber, which makes it impossible to engage the safety on the AR pattern. An extremely unlikely event but I suppose it’s possible. Stupid civvy question - Why is bullpup bad?
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Apr 20, 2021 18:25
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Nystral posted:Stupid civvy question - Why is bullpup bad? https://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html?m=1
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Apr 20, 2021 18:34
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Nystral posted:Stupid civvy question - Why is bullpup bad? Look cool but don't really solve any problems other than overall length
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Apr 20, 2021 18:42
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BIG HEADLINE posted:https://anarchangel.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-bullpups-are-persistently-bad-idea.html?m=1 I'll still swear that my FN PS90 is probably one of the most fun guns to shoot that I own and that I've ever shot. However I haven't/never will consider using it in a "combat" situation so I can't attest to the issues surrounding bullpups in military environments. the one thing I have noticed is the trigger pull on it is garbage in comparison to a nice conventional trigger for my AR. I know that's a huge point of contention with most bullpups, especially the Steyr AUG
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Apr 20, 2021 18:44
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Niiiiice. Gives me that mdr fix without giving money to people who want to donate profits to any police agency that gets defunded. Nice and hot piss posted:I'll still swear that my FN PS90 is probably one of the most fun guns to shoot that I own and that I've ever shot. However I haven't/never will consider using it in a "combat" situation so I can't attest to the issues surrounding bullpups in military environments. My rdb has a better trigger than any non geiselle/timmney ar trigger I've tried so it depends on how it's setup. I like how compact it is for hiking for predators. The friend i go hiking with in AZ had a mountain lion stalking them a couple weeks ago Stravag fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 20, 2021 |
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Apr 20, 2021 18:57
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Very basic math states that rule of cool plus barrel length increase trumps EVERYTHING else. I will die on this hill; and so it seems will the Chinese and Israelis. In an alternate timeline the Soviets picked Korobovs 408 as their service rifle which then flooded all markets; and history ended up better and everyone was happy and all world problems solved by year 2000 by the rule of cool.
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Apr 20, 2021 18:59
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Are they really introducing a new service cartridge that doesn't defeat hard body armor? Kids wear plates to school at this point, what's even the point of investing much in that stuff.
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Apr 20, 2021 19:09
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SchnorkIes posted:Are they really introducing a new service cartridge that doesn't defeat hard body armor? Kids wear plates to school at this point, what's even the point of investing much in that stuff. Hard body armor can stop a full-length cartridge at close range, so what service cartridge would you want?
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Apr 20, 2021 19:11
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Phanatic posted:Hard body armor can stop a full-length cartridge at close range, so what service cartridge would you want? The only reasonable one. A .60 bolter round. We already have space marines after all
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Apr 20, 2021 19:32
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https://twitter.com/16thsma/status/1383934792572407809?s=21
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Apr 20, 2021 19:40
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Ya M4 actions won't go on safe with a dropped hammer, but you just loving safe it then clear it, it's not rocket science.
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Apr 20, 2021 20:35
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evil_bunnY posted:Ya M4 actions won't go on safe with a dropped hammer, but you just loving safe it then clear it, it's not rocket science. Yeah and its pretty much the standard procesure quote:Point the muzzle in a designated SAFE DIRECTION. Attempt to place selector lever on SAFE. If weapon is not cocked, lever cannot be placed on SAFE.
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Apr 20, 2021 20:52
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Valtonen posted:The only reasonable one. A .60 bolter round. We already have space marines after all THANK YOU I am glad someone else sees this
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SchnorkIes posted:THANK YOU I am glad someone else sees this Has to be bullpup however. Reason being our SM are too small.
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Apr 20, 2021 22:25
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Also a dumb civilian here, but: wouldn't changing your standard-issue weapon to use completely different ammunition be a huge logistics pain in the backside? And then you've got a shitton of the old, useless ammo still lying around?
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Hyperlynx posted:Also a dumb civilian here, but: wouldn't changing your standard-issue weapon to use completely different ammunition be a huge logistics pain in the backside? And then you've got a shitton of the old, useless ammo still lying around? Yes; thus is exactly the cause why m14 got picked up back in the day; and why small arms procurement is such a pain.
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Apr 20, 2021 22:55
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Hyperlynx posted:Also a dumb civilian here, but: wouldn't changing your standard-issue weapon to use completely different ammunition be a huge logistics pain in the backside? And then you've got a shitton of the old, useless ammo still lying around? I think the concern is that body armor proliferation is going to make all that ammo useless anyway
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Apr 20, 2021 22:58
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Valtonen posted:Yes; thus is exactly the cause why m14 got picked up back in the day; and why small arms procurement is such a pain. The M14 was designed roughly around the same time as 7.62 NATO. The M1 Garand was forced to use 30.06 because MacArthur didn't want to change to an intermediate cartridge when they had so much WWI surplus
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Apr 21, 2021 02:31
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah and its pretty much the standard procedure Is that US procedure? I was taught to keep the hammer up with the selector on repetition if there wasn't one in the chamber.
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Apr 21, 2021 05:01
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We would go through clearing barrels lol
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Apr 21, 2021 05:10
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I understand the justification from both sides. Delta shoots an insane amount, and are largely professional gun touchers. What works for them, I wouldn't want with PV2 ASVAB Waiver with the 310 PT score.
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Apr 21, 2021 06:08
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Having to come up with some stupid head cannon as to why it's actually so much better to have the gun on fire doesn't really imply professionalism. It's a badge to wear and show off how high speed low drag you are.
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Apr 21, 2021 06:30
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So why can't that safety be flipped decocked? And why didn't they fix it at some point in the last 60 years? I'm sticking with my G3, which has no idiosyncrasies whatsoever.
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CainFortea posted:Having to come up with some stupid head cannon as to why it's actually so much better to have the gun on fire doesn't really imply professionalism. It's a badge to wear and show off how high speed low drag you are. I wasn't equating it with professionalism- I was saying that their method works for them because they are professional, and the way their unit works.
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Apr 21, 2021 07:59
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hypnophant posted:I think the concern is that body armor proliferation is going to make all that ammo useless anyway Yeah the weapons being considered now have truly staggering energy.
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SchnorkIes posted:Are they really introducing a new service cartridge that doesn't defeat hard body armor? Kids wear plates to school at this point, what's even the point of investing much in that stuff. "Reduced heat transfer. Composite case insulates the chamber and bolt face from heat transfer, reducing wear and tear on weapon system." Isn't reduced heat transfer undesirable?
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Weka posted:"Reduced heat transfer. Composite case insulates the chamber and bolt face from heat transfer, reducing wear and tear on weapon system." No, it is desirable. Think about where that heat is (inside the case, exploding) and where it wants to go (any metal part around it, heating it up). Insulating that and chucking the case thus makes sure less heat gets transferred to the gun. This is in fact one of the major drawbacks of caseless, you get a major increase in heat by not insulating, and not tossing hot cases out of the gun.
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Groda posted:So why can't that safety be flipped decocked? And why didn't they fix it at some point in the last 60 years? There's something about the design of the AR fire control mechanism that doesn't allow the selector to be moved when the hammer is down. So if you drop the hammer on auto, it's stuck on auto until you run the action. There are modern AR fire control groups that have fixed this, by the way. I know the KE Arms (bleh) trigger in the WWSD2020 rifles allows the selector to move regardless of hammer position. Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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Weka posted:"Reduced heat transfer. Composite case insulates the chamber and bolt face from heat transfer, reducing wear and tear on weapon system." Heat transfer to the internals would have negative effects as lubrication burned off and the metal expanded. You would eventually get metal on metal contact and the bolt would seize (I'm assuming I know nothing about guns). Heat transfer is also wasted, as it moves to the weapon instead of forcing the round out of the barrel.
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CommieGIR posted:That is a neat looking little rifle. Looking forward to seeing them painted white and in every scifi movie and tv show in a few years
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canyoneer posted:Looking forward to seeing them painted white and in every scifi movie and tv show in a few years I painted my x95 white and it looks gorgeous imo...
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SchnorkIes posted:Are they really introducing a new service cartridge that doesn't defeat hard body armor? Kids wear plates to school at this point, what's even the point of investing much in that stuff. That’s why the Army has been developing a 6mm round the last couple years. The goal is to end up with something like the 6.5 or 6.8 calibers that can still use AR-15 pattern receivers and mags, but have a different barrel and sometimes a different bolt head. The bigger round will give better long range performance and be better at defeating plates. Level IV plates are rated to handle 7.62x51 but usually not more than one or two. The goal with development now isn’t to be able to defeat a plate in a single hit, but to defeat it in as few hits as possible. Also going back to full-size rounds instead of intermediates would add even more weight onto troops.
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https://i.imgur.com/Bw1GGo8.mp4
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Apr 23, 2021 00:17
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I was expecting something more like the thread title.
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Apr 23, 2021 00:52
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I was hoping he'd get pants'd by the bipod.
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Apr 23, 2021 01:49
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The human rear end-bench didn't rip the biggest fart he could while the dude was aiming, what kind of chickenshit outfit is this? SMDH.
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Apr 23, 2021 03:25
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you have a bipod. just put it on the ground. it'll be ok. i promise.
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That's a Barrett .50, right? I've never fired one - what kind of pressure wave would you expect to get off of that thing, because whatever it is it's going straight down that dude's poop chute and that can't be comfortable.
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