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CyberPingu posted:Removal of existing titles is dumb but yes to all the rest. Shouldn't be scared to indirectly punish players at the Big Clubs, they'll be alright. They've all got good contracts and lots of demand for their services. The rest of football is more important.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:33
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Don’t give up so easy Andrea
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Apr 21, 2021 10:33
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Each team who was part of this should be automatically demoted 4 league places at the end of the season. Not qualifying for the Champions League would be a legitimate punishment but of course this will be unpopular with the decision makers because UEFA are money hungry greedy fucks themselves and that would damage the tournaments prestige.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:34
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sassassin posted:Shouldn't be scared to indirectly punish players at the Big Clubs, they'll be alright. They've all got good contracts and lots of demand for their services. The rest of football is more important. I think if the players had gently caress all to do with this its a bit cunty, but i agree that football is more important.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:35
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I feel like there's no chance UEFA will properly punish the clubs that have returned to the "European Football Family". From the sounds of it, they'll just be rewarded with bigger CL payments, which is probably exactly what they wanted from all this.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:41
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Chas McGill posted:I feel like there's no chance UEFA will properly punish the clubs that have returned to the "European Football Family". From the sounds of it, they'll just be rewarded with bigger CL payments, which is probably exactly what they wanted from all this. I think the owners legit wanted this breakaway but they didnt expect the insane negative backlash, or just thought they could ride it out.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:46
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Honestly I think having the CL without the breakaway clubs next year would give us a lot of fun matches until Bayern and PSG get drawn against West Ham and Ajax in the semis
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Apr 21, 2021 10:50
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Fans and players at Portsmouth and Wigan had no say in the dickhead owners who ruined their clubs, no one was crying over them when they got double deductions of points. Players will move to new clubs. Kane can play out of West Ham if he can’t be arsed to learn a new route to work
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greazeball posted:Honestly I think having the CL without the breakaway clubs next year would give us a lot of fun matches until Bayern and PSG get drawn against West Ham and Ajax in the semis They should be suspended for a year at least, but thats not happening
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Apr 21, 2021 10:52
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Total Meatlove posted:Fans and players at Portsmouth and Wigan had no say in the dickhead owners who ruined their clubs, no one was crying over them when they got double deductions of points. Players will move to new clubs. Kane can play out of West Ham if he can’t be arsed to learn a new route to work It's only the young players in academies that might face cutbacks or closures when the teams are booted own to the National League that I'd feel any sympathy for. The rest is just the life of a normal footballer.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:53
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yes uefa fought tooth and nail to stop their cash cows leaving their competitions only to suspend them from their competitions, that is a realistic thing that will certainly happen
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Apr 21, 2021 10:54
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CyberPingu posted:They should be suspended for a year at least, but thats not happening
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Apr 21, 2021 10:56
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jesus WEP posted:yes uefa fought tooth and nail to stop their cash cows leaving their competitions only to suspend them from their competitions, that is a realistic thing that will certainly happen If the 12 stay, what’s to stop them doing this next year?
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Apr 21, 2021 10:59
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yes, "fail then rage quit"
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Apr 21, 2021 11:00
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sassassin posted:It's only the young players in academies that might face cutbacks or closures when the teams are booted own to the National League that I'd feel any sympathy for. The rest is just the life of a normal footballer. For the London based clubs they’d still be within catchment of six or seven academies, same with the Manchester based ones. Hard lines for Liverpool fans playing out of Everton though.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:01
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Total Meatlove posted:If the 12 stay, what’s to stop them doing this next year? Some of the statements say they're working to reshape the idea not that it's dead. Pep spent more time blasting UEFA than the super league. It's not going away, whatever the Sky pundits said last night.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:02
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sassassin posted:Some of the statements say they're working to reshape the idea not that it's dead. Pep spent more time blasting UEFA than the super league. It's not going away, whatever the Sky pundits said last night. That’s what I mean. Either the FA’s cut them off at the knees or they end up in the same situation again and again. If these clubs are so super wonderful and popular, they’ll easily rack up 70k gates playing Accrington and Crewe.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:04
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The various bodies that allowed the likes of the Glazers into the sport need to take measures to get them back out. Anything else just fucks over the players and fans.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:06
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CyberPingu posted:They should be suspended for a year at least, but thats not happening If UEFA couldn't make the Man City ban stand, there's no chance of anything happening here.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:10
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tbh they absolutely could have rode out the criticism. it’s shocking how unprepared they were though. i doubt any of these clubs even have a risk analysis or due diligence report sitting anywhere on their desktops. it’s always been shocking how unprofessionally these multi-billion dollar organizations are run.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:14
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Vegetable posted:tbh they absolutely could have rode out the criticism. it’s shocking how unprepared they were though. lol if you think that people like Agnelli or Perez are capable of processing any risk analysis or due diligence report that doesn't say "you are awesome and your idea is brilliant and there is no risk, only money for you in its execution"
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Apr 21, 2021 11:17
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Bundy posted:The various bodies that allowed the likes of the Glazers into the sport need to take measures to get them back out. Anything else just fucks over the players and fans. Mickolution posted:If UEFA couldn't make the Man City ban stand, there's no chance of anything happening here. 
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Apr 21, 2021 11:20
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idk the fan associations will have felt empowered by this, which could (could!!!) have implications down the road if they can stay organised, united and serious
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Apr 21, 2021 11:26
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Vegetable posted:tbh they absolutely could have rode out the criticism. it’s shocking how unprepared they were though. I think that the players and managers seem to have said they wouldn't support it would have made it difficult.
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Apr 21, 2021 11:32
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They could have probably made the league happen but it would have been without any kind of safety net of using the old system to prop it up during the initial years, so that's probably what scared them off it
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Apr 21, 2021 11:40
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Bundy posted:The various bodies that allowed the likes of the Glazers into the sport need to take measures to get them back out. Anything else just fucks over the players and fans. 100%. My ideological position remains that if you're a Chelsea fan you deserve to fall into a grain silo full of dildos, but fundamentally there was no obligation on them to be out there protesting last night. There was no obligation on Rashford or Henderson to take a public position against it. Those things stopped this from happening, much more so than Everton putting out a strongly-worded press release. Doing nothing to change the actual circumstances that have led to this point in favour of just taking arbitrary punitive actions that will mostly affect the people who saved football (hardworking shitposters like me, and to a lesser extent Marcus Rashford) is super short-sighted, somehow assumes that West Ham's owners are actually good and have the game's best interest at heart, and will also get thrown out of court since the FA can't just arbitrarily dock you 30 points for associating with Florentino Perez. Ownership rules, debt controls, ticket price caps, and a big statue that says "where were you when ewar woowar was kil"
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Bundy posted:The various bodies that allowed the likes of the Glazers into the sport need to take measures to get them back out. Anything else just fucks over the players and fans.
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Like a European Superleage is probably a viable proposition in all honesty (well except for Brexit maybe loving up things logistically). It cant however be a dumb yank franchise system with the same plastic teams and no relegation. I'd be all for something to slot in at the top of a pyramid, that your club could feisably... just maybe scrape into once in a blue moon. Ditch the Champions league while we're at it and bring back the European Cup/Cupwinners Cups.
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keep punching joe posted:Like a European Superleage is probably a viable proposition in all honesty (well except for Brexit maybe loving up things logistically). It cant however be a dumb yank franchise system with the same plastic teams and no relegation. I'd be all for something to slot in at the top of a pyramid, that your club could feisably... just maybe scrape into once in a blue moon. Ditch the Champions league while we're at it and bring back the European Cup/Cupwinners Cups. No...gently caress off, having a competition with guaranteed entry is dumb
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CyberPingu posted:No...gently caress off, having a competition with guaranteed entry is dumb That's... exactly what he's saying.
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keep punching joe posted:Like a European Superleage is probably a viable proposition in all honesty (well except for Brexit maybe loving up things logistically). It cant however be a dumb yank franchise system with the same plastic teams and no relegation. I'd be all for something to slot in at the top of a pyramid, that your club could feisably... just maybe scrape into once in a blue moon. Ditch the Champions league while we're at it and bring back the European Cup/Cupwinners Cups. The latter resolves the former The Premier League and Champions League came about to create television spectacles so that football could be marketed to more fans than matchday going locals and avid watchers of MOTD on Saturdays. A full meritocracy isn't as marketable due to the inherent unpredictable nature of it, such as Forest winning the EC twice back to back. Any attempts to further monetisation requires a removal of the uncertainty or just padding air time. ESL tried the first, UEFA's new CL proposal goes with the second. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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CyberPingu posted:No...gently caress off, having a competition with guaranteed entry is dumb Yeah that's why its sits at the top of the national league pyramids with promotion/relegation? Bundy posted:The latter resolves the former Still need some mechanism for some lower league team to have a Cinderella story and win the big prize.
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uXs posted:That's... exactly what he's saying. Then what's the point in ditching the CL?
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Apr 21, 2021 12:02
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Replace each club that wanted to join the ESL with a grassroots club from the same region. Stretford Paddock can replace both Manchesters.
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keep punching joe posted:Yeah that's why its sits at the top of the national league pyramids with promotion/relegation? The super league wasn't replacing domestic games
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CyberPingu posted:The super league wasn't replacing domestic games Not yet! Had to try and get fans on board with the replacement CL before you tried to convince them that the ESL is better and the domestic league is not good enough anymore, too many injuries, etc. so now we’re expanding the ESL! It’ll be a full time league against the best clubs in the world!
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Apr 21, 2021 12:10
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Yeah this was a long term replacement for weekend games. That "market" is bigger. Me stakeholders!
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The immediate problem that I'd see with an ESL with promotion/relegation is that even more than now, it'd quickly become hardlocked to teams from the big four leagues and maybe a couple of billionaire oil clubs. The current system at least limits it to four clubs per nation (five if the holders don't qualify) out of 32, with some effort being made to include champions of minor leagues. If I was going to do anything, I'd be inclined to merge the Champions League and Europa League, and have six-team groups split over three days midweek. More games and more chance to get in for the big teams, and guaranteed places for the top 20+ title winners. Yes, you're going to have a bunch of boring, stupid games, but that's the nature of football and people still go to watch West Brom every week.
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