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CyberPingu posted:Seems like it would only be an issue if it had started. Or at least thats what the article is saying. It also states that the clubs that remain in the ESL can sue the clubs that signed on but then abandoned the project, based on the contract terms
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Lol that this has ended up costing a lot of people their jobs
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A number of places have a translated interview that Cerefin did with a Slovenian news outlet. A couple of bits: 'I had to have double whisky so I was able to fall asleep on Sunday,' Ceferin admitted. 'Yesterday I had 3,800 messages that I wasn't able to respond to. The other notable thing off the top of my head is he claimed that, via phone call, Boris Johnson told him he'd impose crippling Luxury Taxes on the six English ESL clubs and, "thanks to Brexit, they can greatly complicate the procedures for issuing temporary residence permits to foreign footballers in England."
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Thank you Bozza Legend for getting Brexit done.
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trem_two posted:It also states that the clubs that remain in the ESL can sue the clubs that signed on but then abandoned the project, based on the contract terms one weird trick for barca to resolve their debt problems
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Bundy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0QAeqJLMM As usual, Corbyn's got the right idea here.
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vyelkin posted:As usual, Corbyn's got the right idea here. Aren't most of the owners of these big 6 clubs also Jewish?  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Collateral posted:Aren't most of the owners of these big 6 clubs also Jewish? gently caress off
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Collateral posted:Aren't most of the owners of these big 6 clubs also Jewish?
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Collateral posted:Aren't most of the owners of these big 6 clubs also Jewish? This is a lovely joke on multiple levels m8.
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https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1384996995295764481 "Hey that European Super League was in the news a lot last week, this seems like a good time to announce the same idea fuckwits have been touting for 20 years now"
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I assume there'd be no relegation in that too then or else the Rangers/Celtic presence would be somewhat short lived
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1384996995295764481 oh gently caress the gently caress off vyelkin posted:
Ah, the right honourable G. Amòn
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Hasn't there always been a thing that UEFA/FIFA have wanted this in order to say that if you're one league you can be one FA and reduce the home nations' power on various governing bodies? That might just be conspiracy bollocks though. tbh I think Celtic & Rangers in the Premier League would be good and fun
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That seems even less likely to happen that the european super league
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What's in it for the Prem teams? 4 of them are going to be displaced and the mid table have another two relatively well funded teams to compete with. 4 fewer fixtures but two extremely long away days for most. Plus the joy of sectarianism.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1384996995295764481 I’d be pretty cool with a British Super League if it only lasted for like a year or two and was just all the teams stunting on Celtic and Rangers. I wouldn’t even be bothered if the non-old firm teams played each other. Id just be in it for the 10-0 humiliations.
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Bundy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0QAeqJLMM what an absolute lad
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the royal league was fun because they scheduled the games to be played from november to february im all for the esl or any other pan-european league if they force the games to be played during winter so we get more orange ball football
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I think the main point is that both Rangers and Celtic would struggle considerably at first, considering the sides are roughly as strong as a midtable Championship team (at best). However with the support they have and the history they have bringing in sponsorship and commercial revenue and attracting players would be considerably easier for them over the short-to-medium term compared to your average Championship team and therefor with good leadership they would both have the potential to end up as strong top division teams. There's no getting round that there is a lot of risk on both sides though and no clean way of making sure it works - just as easily as Celtic could end challenging for a league title they could also end up struggling in League 1. It's not worth doing unless Rangers and Celtic want to take the huge risk of being fed into the bottom of the league, which seems like a great way to embarrass the teams and potentially ruin them.
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Scottish football is the best football in the world and we don't won't it tarnished with your dirt league.
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I wouldn't miss Celtic and Rangers at all. League 1 can take their sectarian nonsense and be welcome to it. They've been a cancer on the Scottish game.
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They should just test them out in the FA Cup first. Will be shameful if they add them to the regular league and they crash and burn.
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Grimson posted:the royal league was fun because they scheduled the games to be played from november to february more of this as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ESIbkTaD8
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The next ESL should have a Seppuku clause for the chairmen if they decide to leave.
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y'all are gonna be so embarrassed when the titans of the premier league fall one by one to the unstoppable gumption of scottish football
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I think rangers and celtic are happy enough being near the top of the heap in Scotland and making £££££ off old firm nonsense
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My only Celtic-Rangers story was when I was Sheffield staying with friends for a weekend and one of them (who was from Glasgow) was unbelievably excited for a Celtic-Rangers game that he made us all hang out and watch it before going out. It was the single worst game I've ever watched. By the end we we're all openly mocking both teams and our friend for making us watch it. Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Celtic and Rangers are probably solid mid table in the PL but no higher
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Javier Tebas, the head of La Liga, has been having his say. https://twitter.com/dermotmcorrigan/status/1385222571147333636 https://twitter.com/dermotmcorrigan/status/1385221712942354434 https://twitter.com/dermotmcorrigan/status/1385215523718316037 quote:“The Super League is dead without the English and German teams, let’s be realistic, it’s dead,” Tebas told a virtual news conference. “They cannot create the project they want to create. After 20 years of threatening a Super League, finally this threat came true and in 48 hours it has disappeared. This isn’t a problem of revenue, these clubs need to reduce their expenses. We don’t need to keep increasing earnings so that players can have seven Ferraris instead of six,” Tebas said. “This is a problem of distribution. My position is very clear, we don’t need to increase revenues, we just need to manage expenses. We are not ruined financially and we don’t have to take any exceptional measures.” imo he's spot on. These clubs are bringing in far more money than ever before. Whoever posted that link showing Liverpool's revenue over the past decade, it's risen like 2-3x over that period. The clubs have more than enough money to operate sustainably and even turn a profit for their owners at the same time, the problem is that that's not enough for them because they're addicted to overspending on a debt-fueled footballing arms race and turning ever-higher profits at the same time.
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The New York Times just came out with this article that explains why the rollout was so badly done. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/sports/soccer/super-league-soccer.html?smid=tw-share Rory Smith is pretty solid (at least on Liverpool stuff) so I'm inclined to think the reporting is reliable here. Sounds like due to Perez's big mouth while talking with the head of La Liga, the Super League plans leaked way earlier than it was meant to come out. Agnelli couldn't keep up the double agent facade and people like Perez and Joel Glazer were really adamant that they needed to push now. Others were hoping to wait until the summer and at least do more outreach and lobbying preliminary work to try to get fans on board (which would have been much, much smarter). What's amazing is that everything looks like it was discussed on the owner level with no consultation at all with actual club staff. I guess this is what happens when you're not the person who's usually tasked with actual execution.
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He's completely right. Barca keeps on acting like their debt issue is a revenue problem when it's so clearly a spending issue. Even if they sold half the team, they[d still have enough money to place 3/4 which is exactly where they are at the moment.
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An interview with an (anti-establishment) economist about this farce: https://nograssintheclouds.substack.com/p/how-the-spectacular-comical-failurequote:Now why did they get this wrong? Because they're listening to the lawyers, because they're listening to the bankers. Because they're desperate. Because very rich, old white men with control rights over assets think they can do whatever they want. And the reason for that is because for the past 40 years, they have been able to do whatever the gently caress they want and no one's told them otherwise.
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CyberPingu posted:Celtic and Rangers are probably solid mid table in the PL but no higher lol they'd struggle in the Championship
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BWV posted:He's completely right. Barca keeps on acting like their debt issue is a revenue problem when it's so clearly a spending issue. Even if they sold half the team, they[d still have enough money to place 3/4 which is exactly where they are at the moment. You do get to a point where player wages need to take a cut (or at least their rate of growth really needs to slow down). I don't think that's all on the clubs because players and their agents have a role in that too. That being said, I'm a bit conflicted because if anyone deserves to make money off of the game, it's the talent on the field.
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vyelkin posted:imo he's spot on. These clubs are bringing in far more money than ever before. Whoever posted that link showing Liverpool's revenue over the past decade, it's risen like 2-3x over that period. The clubs have more than enough money to operate sustainably and even turn a profit for their owners at the same time, the problem is that that's not enough for them because they're addicted to overspending on a debt-fueled footballing arms race and turning ever-higher profits at the same time. I mean cost control is the big reason they want the super league. The FT had details of the financial rules - football spending (incl wages & transfers) was to be capped at 55% of revenue which is far less than any of these teams currently spend. It's very hard to avoid the drive for massive spending in the current system. That said the apparently completely unthinkable outcome for Real and Barca is that they just spend less and aren't as good for a while and maybe some other team wins La Liga. Which is how it's meant to work.
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