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How likely is this patch to break any mods?
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Apr 22, 2021 00:02
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Extremely unlikely given how mods in this game tend to work. I just reinstalled all mine after the patch and everything's fine.
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Apr 22, 2021 00:17
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Mans posted:How likely is this patch to break any mods? I'm sure right now the g3 mod is being furiously updated to add a revert to some of the fixes.
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Apr 22, 2021 00:23
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I can sort of understand the rods of rez but greater restoration being party wide was a deliberate buff to the spell in ToB.
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Apr 22, 2021 00:38
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pentyne posted:I'm sure right now the g3 mod is being furiously updated to add a revert to some of the fixes. There better be. I ain't updating until I see that (I have the games through GOG).
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Apr 22, 2021 00:42
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Suspicious posted:I can sort of understand the rods of rez but greater restoration being party wide was a deliberate buff to the spell in ToB. yeah that hurt when they changed it. I started having my cleric cast mass cure and mass raise dead instead, which aren't as good as greater restoration was. Now it sounds like mass raise dead is nerfed as well. It just shifts the balance even more to arcane casters since they can avoid taking damage entirely with spells.
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Apr 22, 2021 05:21
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I don't fully understand why these changes were made either but apparently the beamdog forums folks that tested this patch all loved the idea
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Apr 22, 2021 14:35
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Mans posted:How likely is this patch to break any mods? Depends on how many you got and what they do - but unless they're tiny or small in number, just assume it will gently caress everything up.
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Apr 22, 2021 14:42
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Psycho Landlord posted:I don't fully understand why these changes were made either but apparently the beamdog forums folks that tested this patch all loved the idea Grogs. Grogs never change.
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Apr 22, 2021 17:26
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It boggles the mind why a nearly 20 year old single player game needs balance patches
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Apr 22, 2021 20:00
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Mans posted:It boggles the mind why a nearly 20 year old single player game needs balance patches Same reason fan patches exist I reckon. Some people like that stuff.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:09
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Vargatron posted:Same reason fan patches exist I reckon. Some people like that stuff. Shouldn't they put their energy towards making a new IE style game? Pillars was decent enough but it's not Forgotten Realms D&D.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:12
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Yeah I guess they don't have the internal resources to make a completely new IE game. I know they did Siege of Dragonspear but I have to wonder how profitable that is vs. just supporting the existing content.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:32
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Dang, turns out this EE patch isn't coming to iOS any time soon. I was hoping it would come with a fix to make each game display properly on the latest iPad Air's oddball aspect ratio. The nice thing is each game takes a turn going on sale for $5 for one week, so I'm slowly accumulating them while I wait.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:32
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Also they can’t exactly make a new game in the Baldur’s Gate series, since the Bhaspawn saga is kind of wrapped up and Larian are already making Baldur’s Gate 3. I mean, unless they made a direct sequel following ToB’s conclusion. Something like a game called Baldur’s Gate: Divinity...
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Apr 22, 2021 20:45
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also they can’t exactly make a new game in the Baldur’s Gate series, since the Bhaspawn saga is kind of wrapped up and Larian are already making Baldur’s Gate 3. Unfortunately, BG3 is looking to be a very Larian game so I won't buy it. Larian, like Amplitude Studios, keeps making games that I want to like, that I feel like I should like, but completely fail to click with me at all and I give up on them in frustration.
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Apr 22, 2021 20:59
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Also they can’t exactly make a new game in the Baldur’s Gate series, since the Bhaspawn saga is kind of wrapped up and Larian are already making Baldur’s Gate 3. Doesn't have to be about the Bhaalspawn. Icewind Dale was a kickin' rad tactical dungeon crawler, I'd play more of that.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:01
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I think Beamdog tried to pitch a new D&D game in various forms but it didn't work out. In fact, I'm not sure how they're doing these days, their latest project was an Axis & Allies adaptation and I wonder how large the audience is for that? In fairness, Trent Oster seemed extremely passionate about that, at least.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:03
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I absolutely did not enjoy Divinity: Original Sin and I'm very concerned about Baldur's Gate 3 as a result. However, I do want a game with 5E rules.
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Apr 22, 2021 21:08
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Vargatron posted:I absolutely did not enjoy Divinity: Original Sin and I'm very concerned about Baldur's Gate 3 as a result. However, I do want a game with 5E rules. I felt that way a lot but it was 90% bad level/general design choices that hosed up what was a lot of fun writing, questing, and combat. Great game buried beneath a shitton of 90s era game design ideas. edit: And some of the most amazingly bad crafting design I've ever seen. It was functional enough when you needed it but was just a massive loving pain in the rear end to work with every single time. pentyne fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 22, 2021 |
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Apr 22, 2021 22:27
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There are like four balance changes in amongst like 200 bug fixes, I don't think it's a bad thing that they've released this patch. They're very easy changes to revert with mods and I'm sure a mod to that effect will be out any day now.
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Apr 22, 2021 22:58
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I know how Rods of Resurrection were 'abused'; they were basically Wands of Heal and I do understand why they changed them. Having said that, what was 'wrong' about Greater Restoration, Mass Raise Dead and possibly Mass Cure that required changes?
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Apr 23, 2021 01:48
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In my head, the main issue with the resurrection nerf is that when you die it dumps all your poo poo on the round and if you resurrect someone mid combat they can't re-equip armor, which, if your at the point in the game where you are capable of casting resurrection, if they are a martial class, the armor is pretty important and in a pen and paper game they would still be wearing. Oh also using it on your MC to avoid a game over. But if we wanted to make the game closer to pen and paper, it shouldn't be an automatic game over when your MC dies if people in your party can cast Raise dead or any of the other things that do something similar. You can't even say "well he's a Bhaalspawn and the rules are different for them, because so is Imoen and raise dead etc. work perfectly fine on her. Every single NPC romance option can eventually bring someone back to life, you think they wouldn't do it if you're romancing them?
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Apr 23, 2021 02:00
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They handwave it for Imoen by basically saying "Oh, well, her divine spark is so miniscule that she can die without disintegrating and her essence returning to the Big Bhaal Hole." The protagonist, and other major Bhaalspawn like Sarevok, have enough inherited divinity that their souls atomise the second they die. I think there's an interjection about it in Throne of Bhaal?
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Apr 23, 2021 07:31
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Zeerust posted:They handwave it for Imoen by basically saying "Oh, well, her divine spark is so miniscule that she can die without disintegrating and her essence returning to the Big Bhaal Hole." The protagonist, and other major Bhaalspawn like Sarevok, have enough inherited divinity that their souls atomise the second they die. I think there's an interjection about it in Throne of Bhaal? That's kind of hosed up lol
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Apr 23, 2021 14:23
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Zeerust posted:They handwave it for Imoen by basically saying "Oh, well, her divine spark is so miniscule that she can die without disintegrating and her essence returning to the Big Bhaal Hole." The protagonist, and other major Bhaalspawn like Sarevok, have enough inherited divinity that their souls atomise the second they die. I think there's an interjection about it in Throne of Bhaal? Sarevok, the guy you killed in Game 1 and can recruit in Throne of Bhaal.
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Apr 23, 2021 14:30
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bike tory posted:There are like four balance changes in amongst like 200 bug fixes, I don't think it's a bad thing that they've released this patch. They're very easy changes to revert with mods and I'm sure a mod to that effect will be out any day now. The pathfinding needed work badly, patch good. Mass raise dead as a heal spell was kinda bonkers anyway, even I don't think it really needed to be changed either. The rod nerf I kinda laughed at because in all my years of playing this game I never once thought to use the rod as a heal. Skwirl posted:Sarevok, the guy you killed in Game 1 and can recruit in Throne of Bhaal. He goes to hell and his divinity is taken from him, which he directly states. It's why he doesn't actually come back unless you or Imoen give a bit of themselves so he can get just a tiny bit of the bhaal essence needed to return to life, and it's specifically just a bit. Not gonna argue it's a great excuse but it is addressed.
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Apr 23, 2021 14:43
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pentyne posted:I felt that way a lot but it was 90% bad level/general design choices that hosed up what was a lot of fun writing, questing, and combat. Great game buried beneath a shitton of 90s era game design ideas. Yeah I guess I bounced off of the combat really hard. Which was really odd because I generally enjoy tactical RPG combat. I guess the encounter design coupled with the environmental effects system just turned me off on the whole experience.
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Apr 23, 2021 15:29
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Vargatron posted:Yeah I guess I bounced off of the combat really hard. Which was really odd because I generally enjoy tactical RPG combat. I guess the encounter design coupled with the environmental effects system just turned me off on the whole experience. Same, and I'm not enjoying BG3 as much as I have other recent games, but I definitely like it more than D:OS.
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Apr 23, 2021 16:39
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Psycho Landlord posted:The pathfinding needed work badly, patch good. Mass raise dead as a heal spell was kinda bonkers anyway, even I don't think it really needed to be changed either. The rod nerf I kinda laughed at because in all my years of playing this game I never once thought to use the rod as a heal. I used to use the rod of resurrection for fighters in ToB, like Korgan can carry a rod and use it as a full heal for himself. But lately I havent used it too much, I use hardiness more and dont use pure fighters too much. Also I actually cast Regeneration spell on people, it's not a huge bang for the buck, but I don't use my high level cleric spots that much so regeneration actually works well.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:04
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Hey is the person who voiced Imoen in the Imoen romance mod still around? Because I just saw some of the actual funniest poo poo ever about it. https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/36101/imoen-romance-v3-0-release/p26 quote:by that logic you also must think a bowdlerised version of Shakespeare is an improvement, lol. the Imoen romance mod literally changed my life (I'm not kidding), and what happened to it is a disgrace even worse than anything George Lucas ever did to SW (for example), as a great thing was downgraded to a mediocre thing. like I give the slighest gently caress what some bigots might or might not think about the content of the original. my favourite books are American Psycho and Illuminatus! ffs For the record: I'm pretty sure most of what the rewrite did was remove all the weird rape and poo poo you could do to Imoen so the mod could be shown on the Beamdog forums. Midnight Voyager fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 01:29
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Big fan of the reply "don't use the term bigot, this isn't twitter" too.  I'm curious as to how exactly they managed to get an incest mod on the Beamdog forums, though.
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Apr 26, 2021 07:14
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The original imoen romance mod had a scene in which you could brain Imoen with a rock.
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Apr 26, 2021 10:08
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goblin week posted:The original imoen romance mod had a scene in which you could brain Imoen with a rock. 
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Apr 26, 2021 11:12
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Yep sounds like a BG romance mod
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Apr 26, 2021 13:16
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goblin week posted:The original imoen romance mod had a scene in which you could brain Imoen with a rock. And not Eldoth????
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Apr 26, 2021 13:33
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Christ, Neera's BG2 content is insufferable. 
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Apr 26, 2021 13:40
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Vichan posted:Christ, Neera's BG2 content is insufferable. I've come to the conclusion that Neera is supposed to be infuriating, and the voice actor really sells it. She's up there with Anomen as well-written, extremely dislikeable characters. Not sure what it says about me that I'd rather have Dorn or Edwin in the party.
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Apr 26, 2021 15:31
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What exactly carries over from BG1 to BG2 in terms of save game import?
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Apr 26, 2021 15:36
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Yeah, it's terrible, but at least you get some decent gear out of it. I carry the reward from the cat quest all the way through ToB. E: Vargatron posted:What exactly carries over from BG1 to BG2 in terms of save game import? Very little. No plot decisions carry over, which is why every time you meet a BG1 character you get a choice of "remember me?" "who are you?" "didn't you die?" All that obviously carries over is the PC's stats/level/etc., which is why you should use every stat boosting tome you find on the PC. It also checks your inventory before it's deleted, and a select few items can be seeded into the BG2 world. A couple items can be recovered in the intro dungeon, and I think a couple can be added to the Adventure Mart shop. That's it. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 26, 2021 |
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Apr 26, 2021 15:37
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