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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Ferrinus posted:

maybe he won't use a slur next time

True, it was offensive to the less-able to be associated with Flavius.

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Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

maybe for his next trick larry could eat 50 eggs

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
raw or hard boiled

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
shelled or de-shelled

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

THS posted:

he didnt call him a mod

lol

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Ferrinus posted:

well, firstly, ARE they wrong? like i said, there are many kinds of socialists - libertarian socialists, reactionary socialists, and what is probably the most common kind (and arguably a meta-category that includes those others), the utopian socialists. was bernstein a socialist? fraid so. is alexandria ocasio cortez a socialist? yeah, sure. are either of these people marxists?



Don't remember who posted this but

Socialism is when United Kingdom. The more United the Kingdom is, the more socialister. And when it's THE EMPIRE, it's communism.

SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Apr 23, 2021

animist
Aug 28, 2018
what do you mean "dictatorship of the proletariat"? aren't dictatorships mean and bad?? that doesn't sound socialist at all

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011

Dustcat posted:

maybe for his next trick larry could eat 50 eggs

the difference between larry and cool hand luke is that no one would stop larry from leaving

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
I blame bernie for making socialism synonymous with a public option and minor regulatory reform

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
the amerikkkan centre-left adopted the "that's right, i am" high school anti-bullying technique after falsely being called socialists by the right. problem is, they started believing it themselves!

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Richard Wolff debated Destiny? what the gently caress world are we living in

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


indigi posted:

Richard Wolff debated Destiny? what the gently caress world are we living in

hellworld, baby

also I don't know who destiny is

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Mr. Lobe posted:

hellworld, baby

also I don't know who destiny is

he’s like vaush but even more racist and classist

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
I don’t know who destiny is but according to a facebook comment (the most reliable source):

“This was embarrassing for Destiny. It wasn't even a debate. Destiny spent most of the time asking for definitions of things he should already know. Then he'd sit there looking bored, leaning on his hand not listening. Finally when Wolff would finish his answer, Destiny would snap right back with some debate lord semantic quip or ask him to define socialism again.”

to confirm hellworld, can we put this in the forum header

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

destiny is an 'enlightened centrist' type that is insufferable to listen to. he's evil matt bruenig

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

all i really know about destiny is that vaush was an orbiter for years, all debate bros are trash

brotha from anatha
Mar 24, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Flavius Aetass posted:

the difference between larry and cool hand luke is that no one would stop larry from leaving

you got yourself and larry mixed up there. people like larry, and i doubt youll get much just by antagonizing them

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

to confirm hellworld, can we put this in the forum header



lmao yes, please, seconded

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Ferrinus posted:

most people are not faking their politics for clout. they really do believe what they say they believe, and their problem, again, is that they simply are not marxists
:aochloe:

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://files.catbox.moe/c657c6.mp4

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER


u can't trick me there's a thumbnail

THS
Sep 15, 2017


this gave me cancer

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

eh I think Ferrinus has a point. she says it because she does think she’s a socialist

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007


lmbo

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
had a vivid dream last night i checked the forums and found myself banned...foreshadowing? if so, i will remember you all fondly

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

indigi posted:

eh I think Ferrinus has a point. she says it because she does think she’s a socialist

and is! it's just that even being "a socialist" counts for very little where analysis is concerned. pierre-joseph proudhon was a socialist, friedrich ebert was a socialist, julius martov was a socialist. being a socialist is simply nothing to write home about

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
following the february revolution pretty much every party except the most far right/liberal (but i repeat myself) had to call themselves some variation of socialist, however non-socialist they were, to get any traction at all

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

animist posted:

what do you mean "dictatorship of the proletariat"? aren't dictatorships mean and bad?? that doesn't sound socialist at all

correct, only use DotP to troll people

if you have to spend longer explaining why you sound like a lunatic than in attacking the bad things happening to people, you are failing at agitprop

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

mila kunis posted:

following the february revolution pretty much every party except the most far right/liberal (but i repeat myself) had to call themselves some variation of socialist, however non-socialist they were, to get any traction at all

at the same time, though, it's completely true that lamarck was a biologist

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Enjoy posted:

correct, only use DotP to troll people

if you have to spend longer explaining why you sound like a lunatic than in attacking the bad things happening to people, you are failing at agitprop

"it means normal people have power instead of rich people"

seems p easy to explain :shrug:

brotha from anatha
Mar 24, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

thats a burn

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

"it means normal people have power instead of rich people"

seems p easy to explain :shrug:

the word “dictatorship” will short circuit any liberal’s reasoning capabilities

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
i like it precisely because weaning yourself off liberalism is a precondition to grasping marxism. oh you don't like the idea of a class dictatorship? remind me, who voted to litter the night sky with all those tesla satellites again?

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I blame bernie for making socialism synonymous with a public option and minor regulatory reform

More likely it was the good normalizing accusing everyone to the right of Bush of communism

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Ferrinus posted:

who voted to litter the night sky with all those tesla satellites again?

it really bums me out that he will escape my wrath

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Dreddout posted:

More likely it was the good normalizing accusing everyone to the right of Bush of communism

"socialism leads to communism" -comrade rubio

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Ferrinus posted:

and is! it's just that even being "a socialist" counts for very little where analysis is concerned. pierre-joseph proudhon was a socialist, friedrich ebert was a socialist, julius martov was a socialist. being a socialist is simply nothing to write home about

Marx hated the term social democrat (back then the term was synonymous with socialist) for this exact reason, the term asserts nothing.

This is why he advocated for communist to be the preferred term among scientific socialists. "Social" means nothing wrt society, "communal" implies a drastic redistribution of resources.

Imo it's telling that the Nazis co-opted socialism but very few right wingers identify as communist.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Here's a thing--

Lenin's last testament reads as fake as hell to me, especially the weird fawning over Trotsky. Is there any proof of its legitimacy?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Deified Data posted:

Here's a thing--

Lenin's last testament reads as fake as hell to me, especially the weird fawning over Trotsky. Is there any proof of its legitimacy?

who cares really. lenin wasn't an all powerful god king who had to have his every wish accepted by people. the policies and leadership of the cpsu were always going to be determined by material facts at the time, not the wishes of a dead guy who'd in any case been out of action for a while due to illness

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i'm guessing that after two strokes lenin's former rhetorical skills weren't up to speed

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