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I'm firmly in the camp that the best adaptations take ideas from the source and do something different and I think this show is doing a great job with that.
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I liked the way they played the scene with Rudy (Robot?) putting his original out of his misery. Would've been so easy to have him go to immediate Prestige murder for cheap shock, but instead they wrote character. Sad to lose Zachary Quinto's creepy voice though. New guy sounded super familiar to me and it was making me go nuts, but apparently it's just some guy from the mid-late Walking Dead? Gotta admit, the Lincoln reveal whizzed past me, I initially assumed the implication was that Immortal was the assassin! Seems like a LOT of people missed it completely. We saw the kaiju in a previous ep, right? I swear they set it up, but I can't remember.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:58
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My only real complaint about the show is that it's not as funny as the comic was. I get most of that is down to how many events have been moved forward or changed, but I'm really missing the more satirical elements of the early issues. Oh and I hate Robot's new voice.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:37
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VagueRant posted:We saw the kaiju in a previous ep, right? I swear they set it up, but I can't remember. Yeah, they showed Nolan fighting it on the news in a previous ep
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Apr 23, 2021 21:07
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One thing I couldn’t help compare with the Boys was the invisible wetworks team in the Grayson house and how it mirrored the cabin scene with Homelander and the dispatch team he dealt with.
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JT Smiley posted:Oh and I hate Robot's new voice. VagueRant posted:Sad to lose Zachary Quinto's creepy voice though. New guy sounded super familiar to me and it was making me go nuts, but apparently it's just some guy from the mid-late Walking Dead? Yup, new Robot's voice suuuucks, just super flat and boring (and not in a way that feels like the actor's doing it on purpose because he's been a bottle boy for so long). I actually didn't realize it was Zachary Quinto on the original Robot voice, and I moused over for the Amazon X-Ray thing and it showed Zach Quinto as Robot(!) and further on down the list Some Guy I Don't Recognize as Rudy(who?), and I kept thinking how weird it was that Quinto sounded so dull. But otherwise omg that was an amazing episode. I couldn't believe they kept up the action scenes the whole time, I thought that stuff was too expensive to do so much of it. Felt like we were getting spoiled when Mary showed up, and then Rage-Mode Abe Lincoln was just ridiculous. They say he fought a bear, you know.
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ruddiger posted:One thing I couldn’t help compare with the Boys was the invisible wetworks team in the Grayson house and how it mirrored the cabin scene with Homelander and the dispatch team he dealt with. I was thinking the same thing 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also mainstream superhero comics back in the day used to constantly suffer from "sitcom syndrome" MiddleOne posted:Someone has never suffered through a CW show. That's my point though, Invincible seems to be radically opposed to the idea the world isn't going to change much in a universe filled with Superman/Sayian Knock off who can destroy cities on a whim and super geninuses who can make gravity beg like a dog. Look at how fast this series moves in just one season; a lot of time has passed
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Apr 23, 2021 23:12
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Anyone else get some serious Akira vibes in this episode? The ion cannon firing and getting trashed, Robot being this freaky baby mutant, just everything going bonkers with Omniman, that whole vibe?
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Apr 24, 2021 00:33
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Phenotype posted:Yup, new Robot's voice suuuucks, just super flat and boring (and not in a way that feels like the actor's doing it on purpose because he's been a bottle boy for so long). I suspect it's purposeful, given that Ross Marquand also plays The Imortal (and the Aquaman knockoff too).
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Apr 24, 2021 00:52
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Even that doesn't make sense, though, because it's not like he's been secluded or anything, and he's shown he knows how to use, like, inflection and stuff when he was talking through the Robot suit. They really should have kept the original actor.
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Phenotype posted:Even that doesn't make sense, though, because it's not like he's been secluded or anything, and he's shown he knows how to use, like, inflection and stuff when he was talking through the Robot suit. They really should have kept the original actor. Well, no, but my point is that I doubt it's down the voice actor. I suspect the plan is to modulate the performance over time, to compliment the character's arc.
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He’s using the vocal cords of Rex’s body so if anything it should be rex’s voice actor, but this is prepubescent Rex so I thought he did a good job of sounding like it 
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Apr 24, 2021 01:55
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I'm just happy we somehow dodged the bullet of 2 Jason Mantzoukases, one trying to do a preteen voice. That would have been a loving nightmare
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Does Rudy have Rex's powers now since it's a cloned body? Did the Mauler Twins take some of Immortal's DNA to make new clone bodies for themselves? Seems like they should have as it would probably be a huge upgrade. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Good Citizen posted:I'm just happy we somehow dodged the bullet of 2 Jason Mantzoukases, one trying to do a preteen voice. That would have been a loving nightmare
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Apr 24, 2021 03:15
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Apr 24, 2021 04:13
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Does Rudy have Rex's powers now since it's a cloned body? The other thing is they made a big point out of how Robot's brain was abnormal and was super dense (hence his superintelligence) but if the mind-transfer was to Rex DNA does that mean that Robot isn't as smart now as he used to be? I guess as long as he already has the technology it may not matter much, but it seemed like that'd be a thing.
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I absolutely love the explanation that the Mauler cloning machine intentionally blurs together the minds of both so they truly don't know which is the original or the clone. Improves the Maulers in the whole comic run and the show. The scene with Robot saying goodbye to his original body was really touching and shows the true sacrifice he made to make a better life. It's a throwaway line in the books but it has an impact here. Monster Girl realising that he did it for her was way better than him having to spell it out Every scene in this episode was an improvement on the books. Kirkman said he is treating this show as a second draft of the comics and this episode proved it.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:I'm firmly in the camp that the best adaptations take ideas from the source and do something different and I think this show is doing a great job with that. I've heard this is what happened with the Expanse. The writers of the books are writers on the show, so they took oppertunites to change things, expand characters roles, flesh more stuff out.
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Apr 24, 2021 06:00
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Since a bunch of people here never read the comic and next week is the last episode of the season, I wanted to mention that up through issue 53 is currently free on comixology unlimited (linked to amazon) and the rest of the series is discounted because of the show.
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Apr 24, 2021 06:11
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That episode was some no-joke edge-of-my-seat poo poo, and I've actually read the original comic run years ago, for a few volumes most def. This feels like a solid reimagining without being obvious or hokey. Totally can't wait for the finale!
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Apr 24, 2021 06:47
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Every Omni-man scene since episode one has been dripping with tension but this episode blew all that away, just fantastic.
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NutritiousSnack posted:That's my point though, Invincible seems to be radically opposed to the idea the world isn't going to change much in a universe filled with Superman/Sayian Knock off who can destroy cities on a whim and super geninuses who can make gravity beg like a dog. Look at how fast this series moves in just one season; a lot of time has passed I liked that it's heavily implied the world was super stagnant until the events of the first episode and that things are now heavily accelerating off-course.
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I really like the show. Looking forward to the finale. I am sure it will end on a cliffhanger.  One thing that keeps happening in superhero shows that I will never understand is why grunts, especially those who should know better, try to engage demigods with guns. Even after they have seen in person that they are totally ineffectual. I think their leadership must be lying to them: 'Okay squad, I want you to take care of Omni-Man/Homelander. Don't worry, the bullets we have given to you are Omni-Man/Homelander killing bullets. We swear!' *fingerscrossedbehindtheback*
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some general thoughts thus far: - i don't know about the rest of you, but j.k. simmons has permanently been etched in my mind as the nazi rapist from oz, so seeing him in literally any other role is almost impossible for me. ESPECIALLY when he's playing a good guy. or 'good' guy in this case. - the power scaling in this show's kind of weird. the cyborgs were waaaay more powerful than i figured. mark isn't as strong as his dad, but it was surprising to see how much trouble he was having. same with omni man even though he did wind up eventually beating them. i mean, this is a guy who went through a space station sized satellite as if it was paper. why would someone like that have trouble with cyborgs? - not a huge deal but cecil said they removed all the pain receptors from the kaiju thing. so why was it screaming in agony when mark electrocuted it? - as far as the immortal/abraham lincoln thing, did it imply that he 'died' after JWB killed him and came back? or was he just pretending to die? i hope they bring him back cause it would seem like a waste to have him revived only for omniman to kill him again within 5 minutes - speaking of which, this show is BRUTAL. i was expecting some heightened level of violence, but it significantly more vicious than i thought it'd be. and i hear the comics are somehow even worse  - the animation budget for this show must be insane. not just cause of all the crazy long fight scenes but cause each episode is an hour to boot. Tarquinn posted:I really like the show. Looking forward to the finale. I am sure it will end on a cliffhanger. i'm glad someone else mentioned this, cause i thought it might be nitpicky. but yeah, it makes no drat sense. like, what the hell did you EXPECT you were gonna do? the first 500 bullets didn't even scratch him, but i'm sure if you stick around a while longer, you'd totally take him out.  NutritiousSnack posted:I hate the Amber storyline honestly I know it's a high school relationship, but even in the flow of the show it feels like filler. Her [i[reaction[/i] is fine, but it should be over being duped; her knowing and getting mad he went to cape when a cyborg was destroying the campus is literally insane considering how soon he comes clean right after that. What in the gently caress did she expect? Him to just call the cops while his friend was killed? Why even tentatively get back with him in the first place when he hasn't come clean, if you're that angry and think he doesn't want to come forward. Seems like they wanted to fully subvert a trope and didn't think it through. totally agreed. it definitely sounds like they wanted to subvert a trope by thinking about what they wanted her to do/trick the audience, and the worked backwards from there. thought it was incredibly lame and non-sensical.
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Tarquinn posted:I really like the show. Looking forward to the finale. I am sure it will end on a cliffhanger. I always chalked it up to the same stupidity that has f-tier marvel supervillians robbing banks in downtown Manhattan instead of travelling to Miami to do battle with the likes of Florida man.
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Mr Interweb posted:- speaking of which, this show is BRUTAL. i was expecting some heightened level of violence, but it significantly more vicious than i thought it'd be. and i hear the comics are somehow even worse The show is actually probably more violent than the comic so far
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I loved how single minded Immortal was when he woke. why didnt he do that with jefferson davis
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Mr Interweb posted:- the power scaling in this show's kind of weird. the cyborgs were waaaay more powerful than i figured. mark isn't as strong as his dad, but it was surprising to see how much trouble he was having. same with omni man even though he did wind up eventually beating them. i mean, this is a guy who went through a space station sized satellite as if it was paper. why would someone like that have trouble with cyborgs? There was a line in the previous episode where Cecil said something about how impressive it was that the guy who made the cyborgs did it in a sewer with no budget, so I think the implication is that the new cyborgs are what he can do with the best equipment Cecil has
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Good Citizen posted:Since a bunch of people here never read the comic and next week is the last episode of the season, I wanted to mention that up through issue 53 is currently free on comixology unlimited (linked to amazon) and the rest of the series is discounted because of the show. Seconding this so everyone sees it, after the first two episodes I went and read all the comics on Comixology and it was great ride. Also the show has been different enough to warrant continuing to watch it as well.
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Holy poo poo, what an episode
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lolling at the straight up Akira SOL scene reference. Even when I saw it coming the shot of the satellite threw me for how completely similar it looked. I feel like they spent a sort of unreasonable amount of time flying around the octopus monster’s mouth instead of, IDK, using their super speed to fly away. Oh also RIP (Book Spoiler): agent Colton. Who will comfort Rick about being a cyborg now?
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Tarquinn posted:One thing that keeps happening in superhero shows that I will never understand is why grunts, especially those who should know better, try to engage demigods with guns. It's pretty much a trope but that makes it even funnier when one of them goes "I'm not paid enough for this, bye!!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMd4S-LkywI NutritiousSnack posted:That's my point though, Invincible seems to be radically opposed to the idea the world isn't going to change much in a universe filled with Superman/Sayian Knock off who can destroy cities on a whim and super geninuses who can make gravity beg like a dog. Look at how fast this series moves in just one season; a lot of time has passed Yeah the superhero genre isn't really speculative fiction, it's power fantasy fiction that evolved from pulp fiction/westerns where a lone hero had to take matters into his own hands and enact vigilante justice. They were pretty much always about preserving order rather than advancing society, they're deeply conservative at their core if you really drill down into them. (The MCU has really struggled with this in recent years but that's a whole other discussion ....) Of course that was before guys like Alan Moore addressed the issue directly and dragged it all out into the open. There's still a lot of "old fashioned" superhero comics around but the scene as a whole is quite different these days. E: Atom Eve's whole "I've saved more lives these past three weeks than I did in three whole years with the Teen Team" speech is also a good critique of the genre Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Mr Interweb posted:- the power scaling in this show's kind of weird. the cyborgs were waaaay more powerful than i figured. mark isn't as strong as his dad, but it was surprising to see how much trouble he was having. same with omni man even though he did wind up eventually beating them. i mean, this is a guy who went through a space station sized satellite as if it was paper. why would someone like that have trouble with cyborgs? imo the power scaling mostly feels weird because of how they're treating Nolan - he's largely doing all the stuff he does in the comics but appears to actually be somewhat affected or challenged by a bunch of stuff that his comic equivalent found trivial in the comics the Reanimen were surprisingly strong and had a very good showing against Invincible at this stage in his career the show is obviously doing its own thing and I can see a few different ways this approach might work out, but there's definitely some funkiness b/c of how the original plot related to Nolan's power level vs. the deliberate decision to show him as limited/vulnerable in this adaptation vvvv I rephrased things a bit, but it seems odd to characterize discussion of things that have already happened in the show vis a vis their execution in the original comics as "spoilers" vvvv LGD fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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This post is full of comics spoilers and you should fix that. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Caros posted:I always chalked it up to the same stupidity that has f-tier marvel supervillians robbing banks in downtown Manhattan instead of travelling to Miami to do battle with the likes of Florida man. Two theories here. One is the 'criminally insane' variety out of Gotham and Central City who simply lack the self regulation to know how unlikely their success will be (or, like Joker, Megamind, etc just seem to enjoy the conflict for its own sake). The other is that even F tier supervillains can often put up a North Hollywood Shootout level of opposition against conventional forces at the very least, and if there's lots of villains but only so many heroes then they can gamble on successfull heists (for the sake of plot even good superheroes are facing an uphill battle in stopping all this stuff, Batman can only be in so many places at once). Also, crooks are going to be where the money is. The banks that store big bags of gold coins aren't setting up in Tampa, they're going to be in Metropolis where godlike superheroes are more likely to protect it. So of course the villains are going to be there too. Tarquinn posted:I really like the show. Looking forward to the finale. I am sure it will end on a cliffhanger. In the case of mooks, I think it's an act of desperation because they are certainly not going to outrun their adversary. From a story perspective it helps establish power levels to have mooks at least try to fight back and it also is a chance to show how courageous unpowered characters can be in the face of impossible odds. Remember in Man of Steel when Christopher Meloni's character was magdumping a SMG into Faora to no effect, pulls out his pistol, empties that, then pulls out a knife to which Faora, almost impressed, replies something to the effect of "It will be a fine death". This reminded me when Omniman confronted Donald, who only really tried to stall him long enough that the other agents can get out of the blast radius. Not to mention the sheer level of planning by Cecil who knew it was inevitable that confrontation was going to happen (they were spying on them from just across the street Fer crying out loud!
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Maybe it's like video games where you shoot the boss a hundred times and it just goes plink-plink-plink and he doesn't even react, but then after a hundred and twenty shots he starts blinking red and moving faster, and then after a hundred and fifty shots he just dies.
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A superhero immune to 199 bullets a day (resetting once every 24 hours) would be a pretty funny superpower.
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