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I’m sure they will for season 2, should they do it. VVVV More like Captain America and Sarah’s Boyfriend Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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It should be Captain America and White Wolf Bucky hates the Winter Soldier 
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Apr 23, 2021 18:00
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It felt like they tried to cram 2 hours worth of show into 1 but I still liked this finale more than wandavision
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Apr 23, 2021 18:03
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Its Rinaldo posted:I was really worried for Bucky's cake at the end When you're the only white guy at the cook out, you gotta bring that grocery store cake.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:05
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thrawn527 posted:What you're describing would require us to find the Guardians having found Gamora in between movies, and having had a similar arc as before that we didn't see. And that would be incredibly cheap and bullshit. Oh my god, calling it: Once they find Gamora and it turns out she's understandably standoffish, Quill will persuade Mantis to alter Gamora's feelings to "fix things", which of course is a big no-no and will lead to additional conflicts they'll have to overcome.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:08
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Good. good. Loved the action. That was sone good action scenes. lol at Zemo's butler. That was so ridiculously evil I'm a dork fangirl screaming at Bucky to ask Sarah out. And I'm so glad Sam got finally fleshed out. Im on my phone so i can go on big deeps about this episode.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:09
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live with fruit posted:I wonder if they eventually change the official title of the show to Captain America and the Winter Soldier. I've been super hoping the reason they haven't committed to a second season of TFatWS is because they wanted to be cagey about the title change for the show.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:18
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Did none of you watch the episode till the end? They literally call it Captain America and the Winter Soldier at the end
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Apr 23, 2021 18:34
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Frankenstyle posted:I've been super hoping the reason they haven't committed to a second season of TFatWS is because they wanted to be cagey about the title change for the show. They might be moving to movies with Sam as Cap. Might be worth it to have some continuity for the new Avengers they seem to be setting up, along with a bit of a leader dude who has experience and heart for that job.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:36
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Wuxi posted:Did none of you watch the episode till the end? They literally call it Captain America and the Winter Soldier at the end Yes. That's the point behind the theorycrafting.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:38
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mcbexx posted:Oh my god, calling it: Oh god please don't make Quill a rapist. He's a bit of a goofy fuckup but he is one of the purest hearts in the MCU
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Apr 23, 2021 18:48
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Gunn announced that the Holiday Special comes between Love and Thunder and GOTG 3 so he could use it to set up the search for Gamora.
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Apr 23, 2021 18:54
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Tracking down Gamora doesn't seem like it would have to be all that difficult. I could definitely see the Holiday special being entirely focused on having the characters bounce off each other as they pretty much hang out together and do some mild adventuring, with everyone (but Quill in particular) acknowledging that she isn't the person they lost, but they want her to be a part of their life anyway and start rebuilding some of those bonds. End with Quill convincing her to dance a little to a christmas song and you're good to go from there. If Gunn would rather make renegade badass non-Guardian Gamora a proper thing in Guardians vol. 3 that's a perfectly valid way to go, but I can see the argument that the runtime/plot of that movie could be improved if that conflict's already resolved through a combination of Love and Thunder setting up where she is and the holiday special having the guardians interact with her. I trust James Gunn and the marvel crew to figure it all out and deliver a satisfying movie.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:04
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live with fruit posted:Gunn announced that the Holiday Special comes between Love and Thunder and GOTG 3 so he could use it to set up the search for Gamora.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:07
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I wonder how small the room with Isaiah's exhibit is. I hope there's MTU groups that put in the effort to make sure his story is in full Smithsonian glory. To me it's like the Tuskegee Airmen and Henrietta Lacks, an important part of the story that needs to be told. And yes I cried at the reveal then bawled again once I read the exhibit text. On a different note, Bucky bringing lovely grocery cake to a cookout and casually flexing with kids hanging off his cyborg arm during a conversation are things I approve of.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:07
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live with fruit posted:the Holiday Special I'm sorry the what
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Apr 23, 2021 19:07
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Bleck posted:I'm sorry the what There's gonna be a GOTG holiday special in December.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:08
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Gaz-L posted:There's gonna be a GOTG holiday special in December. Dec 2022.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:18
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:I watched the episode with subtitles (lol actually working on Friday) and I liked how in the first few moments of the show it's subtitled "Sam" when he's talking to Bucky and then when he bust in wearing the new suit the subtitles change to "Captain America" when he speaks. The audio description also switched to calling him Cap at that point too.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:25
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Marsupial Ape posted:When you're the only white guy at the cook out, you gotta bring that grocery store cake. You bring foil and paper towels.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:26
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Gaz-L posted:There's gonna be a GOTG holiday special in December. "Holiday Special" makes me immediately think of the Star Wars Holiday Special. So I winced on the initial read of this post.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:28
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Apr 23, 2021 19:29
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Floppychop posted:"Holiday Special" makes me immediately think of the Star Wars Holiday Special. So I winced on the initial read of this post. That's definitely intentional: https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1385495785136168964?s=20
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Apr 23, 2021 19:29
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Klungar posted:That's definitely intentional: Normally, I wouldn't be a fan of this, but I think the Guardians crew can make it work. Bonus points awarded for each Star Wars name they can get in the credits.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:37
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Wait, were the guys trying to kill everyone in the cargo stacks in ep 3 just bounty hunters? I'd assumed that was the power broker's goons the whole time. And who put the bounty out if not the power broker? This makes no sense to me given what we now know.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:52
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VagueRant posted:Wait, were the guys trying to kill everyone in the cargo stacks in ep 3 just bounty hunters? I'd assumed that was the power broker's goons the whole time. And who put the bounty out if not the power broker? Yes, the series as a whole felt very disjointed and rushed. They cut and ADRed the hell out of this thing.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:57
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Wuxi posted:Did none of you watch the episode till the end? They literally call it Captain America and the Winter Soldier at the end I absolutely noticed and loved that. I loved that episode. I actually cheered several times during that episode and made a mate chuckle and call me a bloody kid. I know this seems weird but that episode brought me joy. So many things just hit me in a good way: a genuine good guy that looks like me embracing the mantle, the words he spoke, the recognition he gives to Isiah Bradley while keeping the fact he is still alive quiet, that he isn't a punchy Cap but a guy who tries to inspire and uplift not just his people but all people. He is the dream of what Captain America should be, of what a real hero should be. He believes in that better world and makes you want to believe. If I see kids walking around in this costume it will make me get a giant arse smile. Also now I want to move to this fictional small town and eat crawfish at their party. Man that episode just made me feel good. Bucky bringing the cheap store cake was hiLARIOUS. Such a good end. By the way, if anyone wants to know about that amazing song at the end - here it is. I'm gonna go out and enjoy this happy feeling before a rewatch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzPW69YVz44 The whole album is good.
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Apr 23, 2021 19:58
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AngryBooch posted:Yes, the series as a whole felt very disjointed and rushed. SO curious if it the pandemic actually changed the planned story, or just butchered the telling of it.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:00
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Isn't there an "unspecified" movie on the docket for October 2022? That could be Captain America and the Winter Solider edit: sorry, I'm too used to Discord spoiler tags.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:07
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Caesar Saladin posted:Jeez, of course the new captain america has the power to summon drones. With invasive facial recognition no less. The_Doctor posted:The text at the end: ”Some individuals” Absolutely :chefskiss: perfect
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Apr 23, 2021 20:13
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Umbra Dubium posted:Yes, please. From past episodes    
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Apr 23, 2021 20:15
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fractalairduct posted:Where is this idea that Walker is joining HYDRA coming from? Is it because of Val? Because she was Agent 14 of SHIELD for far longer than the brief period she was Madame Hydra, and even then, she actually turned out to be a mole for the Russian group Leviathan. I haven't read any of the comics, but to me it's pretty dang foreshadowed, what with her flippant attitude, costuming, and behind-the-scenesy talk. I suppose they've left that door open for someone else to enjoy resolving. Do they have another announced movie planned that's using these characters in the pipeline?
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Apr 23, 2021 20:19
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I was ready to write the series off as garbo centrist poo poo when Karli doubled down on everything and got herself killed. Then I was worried that the message would ultimately be some weak poo poo along the lines of 'protesting is for villains, you wouldn't have failed if you'd expressed your wishes through the official channels'. But that speech did a fair amount to win me around - even if the idea that the powers that be would actually change course after that is laughable. It's a shame it was impossible to take it seriously with Sam in that ugly as gently caress mask.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:19
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:From past episodes "Sources claim Kevin Feige sleeps nude in an oxygen tent which he believes gives him sexual powers."
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Apr 23, 2021 20:27
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stev posted:I was ready to write the series off as garbo centrist poo poo when Karli doubled down on everything and got herself killed. Then I was worried that the message would ultimately be some weak poo poo along the lines of 'protesting is for villains, you wouldn't have failed if you'd expressed your wishes through the official channels'. But that speech did a fair amount to win me around - even if the idea that the powers that be would actually change course after that is laughable. The important thing is that the finale happens on television, which change the optics.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:47
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I'm trying to imagine whether we get the same ending to this story if Sam had come back from the blip to find his boat and family house had been taken by strangers.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:50
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VagueRant posted:SO curious if it the pandemic actually changed the planned story, or just butchered the telling of it. Apparently the Flag Smasher's big plot was going to be releasing some sort of highly infectious virus on the population, which is why they were stealing vaccines in episode 2. This plot line was scrapped for obvious reasons.
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I think the biggest problem with this series is that it was trying to tackle so many ideas at once and a lot of the metaphors got mixed. A lot of the stuff around Walker is weird. In a vacuum, his arc is satisfying, it feels like a great adaptation of the character as he was in the comics. But this, of all Marvel shows, doesn't want us to look at it in a vacuum, because they're tackling extremely real and relevant political issues. So he's a cop metaphor, and we get this scene which is a very obvious commentary on real-world police brutality in America, and the show even goes out of its way to say America and its systems are what directly create people like Walker. So with this in mind it's weird to turn around and give him the redemption moments he gets here. It feels a little like saying "give murderous cops a second chance and they can be heroes, actually!  "I'm not against giving him redemption. That scene in the court in episode 5 was great - it establishes him at once as clearly in the wrong but also sympathetic. I actually wanted them to do something with Walker where he sorts himself out... but the problem with Walker is so much deeper than that he wanted revenge, which seems to be where episode 6 stops with him. He's redeemed because he does hero poo poo instead of killing some guys he wants to kill. I think it needed to spend a little time unpacking what any of what happened actually meant for him. I think you can leave this episode thinking like maybe just because he did one good thing doesn't make him good now - he's still angry, traumatized, twitchy, and about to cluelessly become a covert ops guy. And Bucky even calls his rear end out for his corny Lincoln line. But... I dunno. I get what they were going for but I think it needed more. I think a scene where Walker spoke to Sam briefly after his speech and openly conceded the shield and title of Captain America to him would have done a lot to help me - Walker realizing he didn't deserve this role but still driven to do something and prove himself. You kind of get that with some of the shots of him looking on during the speech, but I think having him exchange words with Sam outright would have done a lot of work. The problems with this series are... not a matter of malice or bad beliefs, just clumsiness and maybe biting off more than they could chew. And maybe a little naivete, but I can forgive that in a superhero thing. I think this series 90% lands, and despite that clumsiness, the people who generally watch Marvel stuff really needed to hear and see this material come from a superhero's mouth. It isn't perfect in its execution but I feel like there is a non-zero chance this series changes some minds about race and America - and that is so much more than I'd ever expect.
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I'm one of the people disappointed that Karli isn't going to get to be Nomad going forward. I guess if they really want to, they could say she wakes up in the ambulance and then went underground (because who would believe her if she went around claiming Sharon was the Power Broker? All the evidence is in Madripoor, and it'd just let her know Karli's still around) if they change their mind later. The Sharon heel turn is going to be interesting down the road - as others have said, it'll probably figure into Armour Wars. I kind of hope that it turns out she's not a Skrull, because that'd kind of be a copout (he said, hoping they retcon Karli's death). I'm guessing she killed the fence they met in Madripoor before she could reveal her identity, and I guess was playing along with Sam and Bucky to use them as a lead on Karli. I imagine only a tiny amount of people actually knew she's the power broker, they just think she's the art dealer. Obviously she wasn't expecting Zemo to cap her serum guy, but hey, Sam did manage to get her an in to the US government to work with. Mackie killed it as Cap, and that speech at the end, while heavy handed, was nonetheless great. And frankly being subtle wouldn't have worked. Honestly everyone turned in great performances throughout. All in all, drat fine show. Think I might do a Cloak & Dagger rewatch now. (I'll say it again, it's the most underrated live-action Marvel series. I will be taking no further questions). Kind of feels like it shares a lot of the same DNA with FATWS.
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Golden Bee posted:The important thing is that the finale happens on television, which change the optics. Exactly. If John Walker had beaten that guy to death in a room with no witnesses, he'd still be "Official" Captain America. Since he did it in public and on-camera - and therefore embarrassed his bosses, not so much. If Sam had button-holed that guy in private, Senator Asshat would have laughed him out of the room. Since he did it in public on TV as Captain America after saving their lives from the angry freckled cute teenage girl terrorist, the GRC has to do the right thing - or at least not do more of the wrong thing. Everyone fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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