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Pontius Pilate posted:Yeah, I’ve still got several more weeks of my 20s! I have a few years left in me. Ah yeah I would call it an overhead projector. We had them in my HS classes and that's what everyone called them.
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Josef bugman posted:I am just saying it's a touch sad? I'm not blaming people for being satisfied, I simply wish people would ask for more. For themselves as well as for everyone else. In what way are people not asking for more? Have you seen all of the protests that keep occurring around the US? Have you seen all of the important work that non-profits/NGOs are doing to push the government to handle issues better, push for new legislation, etc? Like I said before, just because someone marked Y on a yes/no question of do you approve of Joe Biden's job performance doesn't mean that they aren't asking for more, stopping activism, etc. Not everyone agrees with how you define "job approval"
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Kalit posted:Like I said before, just because someone marked Y on a yes/no question of do you approve of Joe Biden's job performance doesn't mean that they aren't asking for more, stopping activism, etc. Not everyone agrees with how you define "job approval" Thats fair. Sorry again. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 20:05
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Biden won't get my approval until he personally sacrifices Charles Koch in the Capitol Rotunda and uses his still-beating heart to banish the spirit of Reagan to hell for a thousand years.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:06
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unless he remakes the wallstreet bull into a brazen bull he wont get my vote.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:10
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Raenir Salazar posted:It isn't very little though, its actually a lot; much more than has been previously hitherto thought possible under the American two party system. It's more than anything previously done since maybe the New Deal. You're not going to find many left people willing to celebrate that we have finally decided maybe we should start trying to remove the knife. Except the patient is coding and the hospital is on fire. Also the stabber is still in the room and keeps convincing some of the doctors that its socialism to take out the knife. Also sometimes he gets to be a doctor. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 20:36
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Sedisp posted:You're not going to find many people willing to celebrate that we have finally decided maybe we should start trying to remove the knife. Except the patient is coding and the hospital is on fire This is objectively false given the topic started because people are satisfied/approve of Biden's performance so far.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:37
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its a shame that 2/3rds of american college students have outed themselves as centrists - but we'll just have to create a coalition without them. at least the remaining 1/3rd still have hope...
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Apr 23, 2021 20:37
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Raenir Salazar posted:This is objectively false given the topic started because people are satisfied/approve of Biden's performance so far. Typoed out the left in there it is however extremely amusing that you have both claimed checking Y on the Biden doing a good job box both means you are celebrating and also that you are not satisfied.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:41
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Raenir Salazar posted:This is objectively false given the topic started because people are satisfied/approve of Biden's performance so far. All this means is that people approve of a burning hospital, most likely because they've never experienced any other kind.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:43
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Kalit posted:Interesting, I didn't know the turnout dipped down from 2016 to 2020 in a number of states in the younger age range. I found the Brookings article that went over it. Another thing to remember though, is that the odds were already heavily stacked in the favor of Biden due to Buttigieg/Klobuchar's dropping out and endorsing him. As that article notes, young people and minorities have had their votes disproportionately suppressed. It's pretty frustrating that the Democratic party seems willfully blind about how that might affect their primaries.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:44
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moths posted:All this means is that people approve of a burning hospital, most likely because they've never experienced any other kind. and whats unfortunate is that this means that 2/3rds of college students are a lost cause and we need to look elsewhere for support.
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Xand_Man posted:As that article notes, young people and minorities have had their votes disproportionately suppressed. It's pretty frustrating that the Democratic party seems willfully blind about how that might affect their primaries.
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The immense gap between youth voters and all other voting groups goes beyond just suppression, and it's been an issue since forever. Young people have never voted at comparable rates - due to their callowness! And then maybe they shouldn't anyway, I cast my first presidential vote for Ralph Nader because Al Gore and George Bush are the fuckin same, dude (they were not)
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Apr 23, 2021 20:49
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zoux posted:The immense gap between youth voters and all other voting groups goes beyond just suppression, and it's been an issue since forever. Young people have never voted at comparable rates - due to their callowness! considering how many of them turned out to be centrists this is probably a good thing! i think we need to figure out what's going wrong at our education institutions to determine why so many of them are content with biden.
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Apr 23, 2021 20:52
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Owlspiracy posted:and whats unfortunate is that this means that 2/3rds of college students are a lost cause and we need to look elsewhere for support. How far away are we from building a massive wave of humanoid robots?
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Apr 23, 2021 20:59
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Sedisp posted:You're not going to find many left people willing to celebrate Sorry to shatter your self-made worldview, but pretty much everyone posting in this thread is left. Certainly in US political terms, and many people would be leftists elsewhere. Some people have a real habit of playing gatekeeper of the left.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:00
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Sedisp posted:Typoed out the left in there it is however extremely amusing that you have both claimed checking Y on the Biden doing a good job box both means you are celebrating and also that you are not satisfied. I'm not sure what you're referring to but there isn't any evidence for the notion that people aren't happy with Biden because people are still being tortured by your terrible metaphor. Biden's approval numbers are pretty good so your framing doesn't seem to have any empirical evidence. This can be true at the same time as Josef Bugman's post can also be false at the same time because the way they choose to frame this information is what makes it untrue. Basically all signs that: -Biden is doing a good job. -People generally like the job Biden is doing. While also being true that: -People obviously want Biden to keep doing good things and better. Placing an unreasonable and arbitrary standard that has been impossible to achieve throughout all of human history isn't a reasonable means of evaluating Biden's performance or to place judgment on people who are happy with Biden's job so far. Owlspiracy posted:considering how many of them turned out to be centrists this is probably a good thing! i think we need to figure out what's going wrong at our education institutions to determine why so many of them are content with biden. How is this different from when conservatives complain about universities making people liberal? Maybe nothing is wrong with the education system and the problem is the left's ability to engage with university students? Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 21:01
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Biden is pushing probably the most progressive agenda ever Most people approve it Goons: what a bunch of assholes! Like ok you want full communism and anything short of it is treason but I'm not sure this is a healthy way of looking at things.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:01
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Rust Martialis posted:Sorry to shatter your self-made worldview, but pretty much everyone posting in this thread is left. Certainly in US political terms, and many people would be leftists elsewhere. Yeah I bet we all agree on 95%+ of policy goals. I think the real difference is over political tactics, which really is us armchair quarterbacking since few of us actually work in political campaigns. Probably could use a lot less of suspicion of cryptofascists here on the extremely leftist boards with no conservatives at all on it. My biggest question is why leftists seem to despise liberals far more than anyone else, including conservatives. Republicans don't hate RINOs more than they hate liberals. Maybe that's just selection bias because of the places I engage in The Discourse. zoux fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Apr 23, 2021 21:03
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Inferior Third Season posted:After years of the right pushing culture war issues and politicizing everything, I love stories like this because most corporations realize that the left is filled with people that love to spend money and have a good time while the right are penny-pinching misers who demand that their meal be comped because the waiter forgot to bring them a fifth free refill on a $1.99 soda. 1) Old people die much sooner than young people (getting a college student to switch from Ragu to Prego spaghetti sauce is worth much more than getting his grandmother to switch) 2) Old people are set in their ways and already have their favorite automaker and brand of beer and shoe company. Young people are still forming those attachments, so it's worth it for corporations to spend money marketing to them while they're still 'gettable'. 3) Young people often have more money to throw around on things than old people (not so true today as it used to be) As a result, corporations overwhelmingly market to young people and not old people. And in the year 2021, young people react very negatively to most conservative culture-war issues, and so corporations are adjusting their marketing and messaging to adapt. PepsiCo doesn't sell rainbow-themed bags of Doritos during Pride Month because they have a deep and abiding belief in LGBT rights, they do it because their market research shows that their target audience reacts favorably to inclusive messaging. Nike made a bunch of ads with Colin Kaepernick because they tested better with their target audience than a series of ads where football players salute cops and troops as "the real heroes", not because they suddenly developed a sincere interest in issue of racial equality. It's just business. Conservative boomers have aged into the bracket where, for the first time in their lives, the media and the corporations are not catering primarily to them, and they're losing their loving minds over it.
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mobby_6kl posted:Biden is pushing probably the most progressive agenda ever Critical support is a thing though, politics is the exercise of power not a fandom
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At this point its definitely more of "well this guy isn't actively trying to kill us via plague or state oppression so he's ok" Of course there is a good argument that Biden is still passively killing us through plague or state oppression so w/e
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Failed Imagineer posted:Critical support is a thing though, politics is the exercise of power not a fandom Hard to exercise power with zero elected representatives though, the Democrats can barely do it with majorities.
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zoux posted:Hard to exercise power with zero elected representatives though, the Democrats can barely do it with majorities. No argument there
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Rust Martialis posted:Sorry to shatter your self-made worldview, but pretty much everyone posting in this thread is left. Certainly in US political terms, and many people would be leftists elsewhere. So goons have simultaneously been arguing that there is still mass protests across the country because we aren't doing enough but also they are celebrating how great things are now. Pick one. I have no idea what in the world you are getting defensive about. mobby_6kl posted:Biden is pushing probably the most progressive agenda ever This is simply false. You might be able to rgt aeay with wince FDR.
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zoux posted:Hard to exercise power with zero elected representatives though, the Democrats can barely do it with majorities. compromise is the tool of lesser minds
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mobby_6kl posted:Biden is pushing probably the most progressive agenda ever This. Heading in a better direction is not the same as no progress at all. Like, I get that Biden isn't exactly a messiah, but you'd think from some of the posts here that there was some better choice.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:10
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Sedisp posted:So goons have simultaneously been arguing that there is still mass protests across the country because we aren't doing enough but also they are celebrating how great things are now. Pick one. I have no idea what in the world you are getting defensive about. "most progressive in a century" is pretty decent. Also are you smelling toast or noticing numbness in your face
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zoux posted:"most progressive in a century" is pretty decent. Also are you smelling toast or noticing numbness in your face Phones post poorly.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:13
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Sedisp posted:So goons have simultaneously been arguing that there is still mass protests across the country because we aren't doing enough but also they are celebrating how great things are now. Pick one. I have no idea what in the world you are getting defensive about. Why? These aren't mutually exclusive options.
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Owlspiracy posted:compromise is the tool of lesser minds Sure. "Hey everyone, I'd like you all to know that it's my way or the highway. Do exactly what I want, or else!" I'm sure only good things can come from this approach.
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To be honest I'd probably say that I approve of the job Joe Biden's doing in a tepid, 6 out of 10 sense, and that kind of nuance doesn't show up in a yes or no answer to a poll. Of course most people aren't very politically aware of engaged (I know I sure wasn't back when I was college-aged), so maybe we're going to see an up-and-coming generation of Biden Democrats. A bit like how tons of Gen Xers went hardcore conservative because they became politically aware during the early Reagan administration. I'm kind of doubtful that the stresses of modern America are going to produce a generation of mealy-mouthed centrists (it seems like that usually happens during boom times), but uh...who knows.
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zoux posted:My biggest question is why leftists seem to despise liberals far more than anyone else, including conservatives. Republicans don't hate RINOs more than they hate liberals. Maybe that's just selection bias because of the places I engage in The Discourse. Liberals hate leftists because the leftists will actually take their money to pay for stuff. They can come to a modus vivendi with the right because they assume the right will lower their taxes and mostly leave them alone. They know they can get around the abortion bans by sending their mistresses or daughters to a blue state.
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Owlspiracy posted:considering how many of them turned out to be centrists this is probably a good thing! i think we need to figure out what's going wrong at our education institutions to determine why so many of them are content with biden. I wonder how many of them, like myself, were persuaded by the leftists in their social circles that Biden was going to govern as a senile, racist, austerity ghoul caricature, only to be pleasantly surprised by what the real president was like in comparison to that. I have to imagine I'd be more critical of him if I'd spent all those months with realistic expectations of his actual shortcomings.
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Sedisp posted:So goons have simultaneously been arguing that there is still mass protests across the country because we aren't doing enough but also they are celebrating how great things are now. Pick one. I have no idea what in the world you are getting defensive about This framing is disingenuous and is a result of begging the question. You claimed no one is satisfied with Biden, this is provably false. Josef Bugman claimed that its "sad" that people are satisfied with "nothing" which is also false; it's sea lioning to insist people "pick one" as a result of your own incorrect framing of the situation.
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I too have been smitten by bidens true leftism He left the kids at the border in cages He left Stephen miller's refugee cap in place He left the border wall in place He left behind his $15 minimum wage promise He left the troops in Afghanistan past their leave deadline He left dejoy in the post office
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Bootleg Trunks posted:I too have been smitten by bidens true leftism I believe in order: -Not true. -Not true. -Maybe this is true but also doesn't mean very much. Biden's not going to siphon military DOD spending to expand the Wall. -Not true. -Considering Biden is pulling out from Afghanistan this is dishonest. -Not something he has control over.
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