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Kesper North posted:Do you think the Klingons have kids TV
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nine-gear crow posted:I actually rather liked 09/Into Darkness/Beyond’s peaks into civilian life and pop culture of the Federation and how it was still fairly recognizable to our own but just more technologically advanced. TNG was almost like looking in on a completely alien culture with how sterile and stoic human culture was presented as being in the future. Sorry, I think you mean JJ Trek has Kirk driving his Chevy Corvette and talking on a Nokia carphone to the bar where he orders a refreshing Budweiser and a Jack Daniels & Coca-Cola on the side
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Apr 23, 2021 21:51
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JJTrek has Kirk stealing an ancient car, using an antique car phone and playing classical music on a joyride.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:57
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"classical" in Voyager or JJTrek never includes, say, the 2070s, because it's an increasingly lazy way to make modern-day pop culture references aside from a time travel episode
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Apr 23, 2021 22:01
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"now but with more LEDs and transparent screens" is with few exceptions almost always the laziest future.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:10
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galenanorth posted:"classical" in Voyager or JJTrek never includes, say, the 2070s, because it's an increasingly lazy way to make modern-day pop culture references aside from a time travel episode It’s entirely for the audience’s sake. If the show presents us with recognizable pop culture references, it doesn’t feel new and strange to us. We can recognize it as something that exists in the past of the show, because we’re in the past of the show. Theremincore Neopop from the 2130s would sound like weird future music, so the audience would have to take the show’s word that it’s classical. Yeah, it’s weird that every pop-culture history buff in Star Trek knows about Green Day but it doesn’t feel weird, and that’s what matters.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:21
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I don't like when they refer to pop rock as classical music because even at this point, the term refers to a very distinct style of music, same as how regardless of how it actually sounds, I would expect "rock & roll" to survive as a genre description in the distant future. Also, while I think it's lazy I don't think it's super-unreasonable to at least have stuff that's current now be known in the future - to a point. Like it was handled in a dumb way, but yeah, I'd expect people who listen to a lot of music to know who the Beastie Boys or Led Zeppelin were in a century or two. If you can argue that a band or singer had a major impact on global music, I think it'd be reasonable to assume their names stick around. (although to be totally fair, if DS9 referenced Zeppelin it'd probably be in the context of Sisko explaining another way in which Black contributions to society were marginalized and stolen from them)
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Apr 23, 2021 22:28
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I mean, rock music from the 90's and '00's is considered "classic rock" now, which blows my mind, even though it shouldn't. 70's and 80's music was classic rock for me when I was growing up in the 90's and '00's.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:39
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I don't like when they refer to pop rock as classical music because even at this point, the term refers to a very distinct style of music, same as how regardless of how it actually sounds, I would expect "rock & roll" to survive as a genre description in the distant future.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:45
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Nitrousoxide posted:I mean, rock music from the 90's and '00's is considered "classic rock" now, which blows my mind, even though it shouldn't. 70's and 80's music was classic rock for me when I was growing up in the 90's and '00's. yeah that one  s me a little but I get it. But the stuff from the 70's/80's is still "classic rock" too!Nessus posted:Your problem is that a really fresh cultural reference could fail hilariously, like that Super Mario Super Show episode about Milli Vanilli. Yeah, it's lazy for sure, and made even lazier by the fact that if you want to do it right you pretty much have to stick to a name that most people would agree was as "big" as Beethoven or Mozart, so like you could argue that the Bee Gees were a better band than the Beatles, but history has already kind of cemented the Beatles as one of the "completely revolutionized music" bands.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:55
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Snow Cone Capone posted:yeah that one or you do a gag where everyone knows about MC Hammer or NSYNC, and the Beatles are an obscure footnote.
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Apr 23, 2021 23:00
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Wyclef Jean is canon as of Discovery, and by proxy, so are The Bee Gees.
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Apr 23, 2021 23:03
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Tunicate posted:or you do a gag where everyone knows about MC Hammer or NSYNC, and the Beatles are an obscure footnote. tbh I think that would work too, the silly inversion doesn't actually make it more plausible or realistic but I think it'd be a tacit acknowledgement of the overall laziness of current-culture references
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Apr 23, 2021 23:08
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unrelated, I think I post this every time I watch Yesterday's Enterprise but man do I love the Ambassador-class. IMO it's a perfect representation of the transition from the TOS era to the TNG era.
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Apr 23, 2021 23:23
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Yeah I've always enjoyed the design
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Apr 23, 2021 23:49
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The original Probert design is very sexy compared to the rush job that made it on screen.
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Apr 23, 2021 23:59
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I think it looks too much like the Galaxy class
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Apr 24, 2021 00:02
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HD DAD posted:The original Probert design is very sexy compared to the rush job that made it on screen. The problem is that the Excelsior and Ent-B just kinda sucks as a design. Trying to bridge the gap from B to D sucks when B is already bad. Probert’s C did look great though, prob cuz almost everything that madlad did was great— the dude even helped make the DeLorean in BTTF. (TNG season 1-2 six-foot Galaxy model 4 lyfe) It’s really amazing how good the Galaxy design was in comparison to how “next generation” the Excelsior was supposed to look. Edit - I know Oberth was made to look dorky but gently caress that one is the worst jeeves fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Apr 24, 2021 00:03
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jeeves posted:The problem is that the Excelsior and Ent-B just kinda sucks as a design. Trying to bridge the gap from B to D sucks when B is already bad. Probert’s C did look great though, prob cuz almost everything that madlad did was great— the dude even helped make the DeLorean in BTTF. (TNG season 1-2 six-foot Galaxy model 4 lyfe) I wish the Pegasus was a Probert-C instead of an Oberth. It really undercuts the mystique of it being this near-black ops ship that everyone involved with is sworn to silence by Starfleet Command regarding its mutiny and the experiment onboard that went awry, and then they get inside the asteroid and it's just a loving Oberth. Gawd...
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Apr 24, 2021 01:01
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nine-gear crow posted:I wish the Pegasus was a Probert-C instead of an Oberth. It really undercuts the mystique of it being this near-black ops ship that everyone involved with is sworn to silence by Starfleet Command regarding its mutiny and the experiment onboard that went awry, and then they get inside the asteroid and it's just a loving Oberth. Gawd... The original plan was to kitbash an Ambassador class era Nebula, but time and budget stopped that. 
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Apr 24, 2021 01:33
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That would have looked a lot cooler
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Apr 24, 2021 01:45
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Someone did it up
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Apr 24, 2021 01:47
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I will definitely take that over the Oberth any day of the week
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Apr 24, 2021 01:49
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I never understood the idea of having an engineering hull and then not attaching the nacelles to it? Of course the Kelvin was the absolute worst of this weird idea.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:20
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MikeJF posted:The original plan was to kitbash an Ambassador class era Nebula, but time and budget stopped that. Oh drat, that would have rocked.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:26
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But yeah it's not like they didn't like the Probert C, it was just unworkable for a TV shop. So they gave it to Sternbach and went 'hey do something kinda like this but that we can make' and he gave them the Enterprise-C we saw, which is all geometric curve segments and symmetrical elements and straight lines, and they went and made that instead. The Probert C would've been as complex as the Enterprise-D, which ILM made originally and then took ages for the in-house shop to make the 4-foot copy.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:36
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nine-gear crow posted:rocked.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:36
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The Kelvin owns, to hell with Gene’s bullshit mandate that ships have to have even numbers of nacelles. It’s a magic space warp engine powered by plot, slap 23 of the fuckers on there, who cares?
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Apr 24, 2021 02:43
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jeeves posted:The problem is that the Excelsior and Ent-B just kinda sucks as a design. I cannot let this affront, this slander, this utter untruth, stand any longer than it already has. The Excelsior is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit here I admit, but, it's totally rad.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:54
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Kelvin owns, to hell with Gene’s bullshit mandate that ships have to have even numbers of nacelles. It’s a magic space warp engine powered by plot, slap 23 of the fuckers on there, who cares? My issue is like, why does it have an engineering hull and nacelle but not connected heh I guess they had to store their cavernous shuttle bay somewhere Goblin Craft posted:I cannot let this affront, this slander, this utter untruth, stand any longer than it already has. The Excelsior is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit here I admit, but, it's totally rad.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:01
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Goblin Craft posted:I cannot let this affront, this slander, this utter untruth, stand any longer than it already has. The Excelsior is, and I'm paraphrasing a bit here I admit, but, it's totally rad. The Excelsior is an ugly-rear end bucket of bolts and I hate that it informed Starfleet designs for the better part of two decades. Between the pregnant guppy engineering hull, the dipshit nacelles and pylons and other aspects like the thicc neck between the saucer and engineering hull ... nope. Stick to Star Wars designs, ILM; between the Excelsior and the laziness behind the Klingon Bird of Prey, y'all suck when it comes to Trek designs.
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Apr 24, 2021 03:04
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Yeah, that looks pretty weird. Like are you just piping the warp juice through the saucer where everyone lives and THEN to the nacelles? What's the advantage here? What if the warp pipes break? Everyone will get space warp piss!
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Apr 24, 2021 03:06
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Kelvin owns, to hell with Gene’s bullshit mandate that ships have to have even numbers of nacelles. It’s a magic space warp engine powered by plot, slap 23 of the fuckers on there, who cares? How about this, you forget about genes mandate about nacelles if you remember how horny he wanted the show to be
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Apr 24, 2021 03:14
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Timby posted:The Excelsior is an ugly-rear end bucket of bolts and I hate that it informed Starfleet designs for the better part of two decades. Between the pregnant guppy engineering hull, the dipshit nacelles and pylons and other aspects like the thicc neck between the saucer and engineering hull ... nope. We're lucky we got what we did: the 'main' study models based on concept art for the excelsior were these things   Bill George did up his own takes in spare time and made these:  Nimoy picking out those for Excelsior was basically what established the Enterprise shape as kind of the 'standard' starfleet arrangement, before that we'd never seen it repeated. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Apr 24, 2021 |
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Apr 24, 2021 04:08
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jeeves posted:I never understood the idea of having an engineering hull and then not attaching the nacelles to it? So you'd prefer something more like https://i.imgur.com/QqFGqK1.mp4 IT'S THE TITAN! https://i.imgur.com/XlHyIDQ.mp4
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Apr 24, 2021 04:14
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Gotta love the Luna-class
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Apr 24, 2021 04:28
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I really like the light strip things on the torpedo pod, even if I'm not 100% sure what they're actually doing.
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Apr 24, 2021 04:30
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Delsaber posted:I really like the light strip things on the torpedo pod, even if I'm not 100% sure what they're actually doing. They put the extra pew in the pew-pew.
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Apr 24, 2021 04:34
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I love the oberth, it's so nautical
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Timby posted:The Excelsior is an ugly-rear end bucket of bolts and I hate that it informed Starfleet designs for the better part of two decades. This is my issue with it— it was designed to look dumpy as a “ew gently caress new poo poo” sentiment that Scotty correctly has. Then they just kept reusing the design out of laziness. We’re loving lucky that Probert made an amazingly unique design for the Galaxy
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