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Rhyno posted:Ben Shaprio is pretty salty about Sam getting the mantel and that is giving me so much goddamned joy. I’ve got to see this
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I'm one of the people disappointed that Karli isn't going to get to be Nomad going forward. I guess if they really want to, they could say she wakes up in the ambulance and then went underground (because who would believe her if she went around claiming Sharon was the Power Broker? All the evidence is in Madripoor, and it'd just let her know Karli's still around) if they change their mind later. The Sharon heel turn is going to be interesting down the road - as others have said, it'll probably figure into Armour Wars. I kind of hope that it turns out she's not a Skrull, because that'd kind of be a copout (he said, hoping they retcon Karli's death). I'm guessing she killed the fence they met in Madripoor before she could reveal her identity, and I guess was playing along with Sam and Bucky to use them as a lead on Karli. I imagine only a tiny amount of people actually knew she's the power broker, they just think she's the art dealer. Obviously she wasn't expecting Zemo to cap her serum guy, but hey, Sam did manage to get her an in to the US government to work with. Mackie killed it as Cap, and that speech at the end, while heavy handed, was nonetheless great. And frankly being subtle wouldn't have worked. Honestly everyone turned in great performances throughout. All in all, drat fine show. Think I might do a Cloak & Dagger rewatch now. (I'll say it again, it's the most underrated live-action Marvel series. I will be taking no further questions). Kind of feels like it shares a lot of the same DNA with FATWS.
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Apr 23, 2021 21:03
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Rhyno posted:The advanced flight+shield combat was so good. I can't wait til we see Sam again. Yeah, i liked that. Digging the wings into the ground so he can brace for a charge was pretty cool. And using them as extra cover when the helicopter hits the bridge
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Apr 23, 2021 21:51
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Hollywood Reporter is saying the show runner is writing Cap 4. So that’s probably your followup for some of this.
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Apr 23, 2021 22:02
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Aphrodite posted:Hollywood Reporter is saying the show runner is writing Cap 4. So that’s probably your followup for some of this. Will we get Sharon's side of the story? I mean if she's risking her life and reputation, to liberate dangerous weaponry from the hands of the US government, she must be the hero, right?
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Apr 23, 2021 22:25
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Yvonmukluk posted:All in all, drat fine show. Think I might do a Cloak & Dagger rewatch now. (I'll say it again, it's the most underrated live-action Marvel series. I will be taking no further questions). Kind of feels like it shares a lot of the same DNA with FATWS. I dunno the likelihood, but if you read this thread and having watched Cloak & Dagger you're missing out. Do it. It's a very good low-stakes show with two incredibly charismatic leads.
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Well I feel like they righted the ship a bit with Sam's Speech near the end. I might not be a big fan of the "the socialists are making too much sense, let's devalue their message by making them terrorists" but to have the hero make government officials consider their perspective was pretty good. I kinda figured they'd just shrug and mutter to themselves "if only they had made their point in a different way, oh well" like in every other action movie that almost made a point.
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Apr 24, 2021 00:54
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I'm trying to envision, I dunno, some sort of war hero giving a lengthy speech to Mitch McConnell about how he needs to have the banks work better. It's.................................a strange concept and I don't know if it works.
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Apr 24, 2021 01:31
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BrianWilly posted:I'm trying to envision, I dunno, some sort of war hero giving a lengthy speech to Mitch McConnell about how he needs to have the banks work better. It falls totally flat. Those guys would nod and look somber and say that he gave them a lot to think about then going right back to working on ways to make the dead Kennedy's song kill the poor a reality.
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Apr 24, 2021 01:33
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What a God damned joke this show ended up being. It completely encapsulated everything wrong with American Third wayism. This was pure propaganda and is sickening.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:01
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Mr Hootington posted:What a God damned joke this show ended up being. It completely encapsulated everything wrong with American Third wayism. This was pure propaganda and is sickening. Their first movie with an almost all black cast is about the one good time the CIA aided a coup so the US would get preferential treatment when it comes to the export of precious metals.
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Skwirl posted:Their first movie with an almost all black cast is about the one good time the CIA aided a coup so the US would get preferential treatment when it comes to the export of precious metals. Yeah and that was bad too! This TV show boiled down to "better things aren't possible," and "open 'er up". The action was the only good part.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:08
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BrianWilly posted:I'm trying to envision, I dunno, some sort of war hero giving a lengthy speech to Mitch McConnell about how he needs to have the banks work better. My fiance said "Oh sure, so they're just listening to him" and I responded "Well, it is Science Fiction"
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I'm not as down on the show as that, I think it genuinely tried to be progressive, but it ended up relying on a lot of the same regressive tropes that were constructed and reinforced by old centrist mindsets. In the end, it's not that The System is inherently wrong, it's that it just need to be nicer! Because otherwise the people that you oppress and disenfranchise will get really angry and try to kill you! But painting these people as well-intentioned terrorists with a just cause is just another way to demonize the oppressed and the disenfranchised, no matter how well-intentioned you make them, no matter how just their cause. In modern society, poor and displaced people don't have the power to be a threat to the ruling class; that's the whole point. The only people who have the power to physically threaten the ruling class are other members of the ruling class. See: Capitol Riots. It's not that the system needs to be nicer, it's that a system where a few people have so much power over so many helpless people is not designed to be nice. The actual disenfranchised of the world aren't the ones out there building the pipe bombs and planning to kill its leaders, they're just the ones getting hurt and that's it. And our leaders should stop hurting these powerless people because you're a scumbag if you hurt people, not because you're afraid that they might hurt you in return.
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BrianWilly posted:I'm not as down on the show as that, I think it genuinely tried to be progressive, but it ended up relying on a lot of the same regressive tropes that were constructed and reinforced by old centrist mindsets. Yeah I thought it particularly stood out when the Paul krugman guy was like should the people whose homes have been taken be homeless and Sam is speechless instead of just telling him to make more loving houses
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BrianWilly posted:I'm not as down on the show as that, I think it genuinely tried to be progressive, but it ended up relying on a lot of the same regressive tropes that were constructed and reinforced by old centrist mindsets. Didn't he say explicitly that it makes no sense to make decisions "only with people like you in the room"? It wasn't perfect, and it's clumsy. I think including "thug" as a label was a good way to insinuate multiple current day movements for change. I think the GRC's final decision was to stop deporting people by force unless I'm mistaken. site posted:Yeah I thought it particularly stood out when the Paul krugman guy was like should the people whose homes have been taken be homeless and Sam is speechless instead of just telling him to make more loving houses Oh. Right. Fair enough. There are probably enough empty houses to house the homeless after the blip just like there are in real life.
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Apr 24, 2021 02:51
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Did I miss something about Cap's new suit? Since the new suit was built by the Wakandans, are his wings vibranium? Thinking about how he braced against an entire helicopter crash. Like I know, as Spider-Man said, "that [shield] doesn't obey the laws of physics at all!" but for an unpowered dude like Sam to do that seemed a little overpowered.
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Lobok posted:Did I miss something about Cap's new suit? Since the new suit was built by the Wakandans, are his wings vibranium? Thinking about how he braced against an entire helicopter crash. Like I know, as Spider-Man said, "that [shield] doesn't obey the laws of physics at all!" but for an unpowered dude like Sam to do that seemed a little overpowered. That's how Vibranium works though. It absorbs and deflects kinetic energy and basically renders most physical impact inert. When used as a shield it can only do so much but when he had himself basically in a vibranium dome under the wings and shield it could stop pretty much anything.
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The new helmet thing looks so bad. It works on a comic book page but looks so silly in real life. Anthony Mackie is a great actor but he can’t do a good fight scene to save his life
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Aphrodite posted:Hollywood Reporter is saying the show runner is writing Cap 4. So that’s probably your followup for some of this. I wonder if we’re actually getting an Sam lead Captain America movie. That would rule
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X-O posted:That's how Vibranium works though. It absorbs and deflects kinetic energy and basically renders most physical impact inert. When used as a shield it can only do so much but when he had himself basically in a vibranium dome under the wings and shield it could stop pretty much anything. Right, right. Thanks.
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omg chael crash posted:I wonder if we’re actually getting an Sam lead Captain America movie. That would rule No its called captain america but it's gonna star scarlett johansson
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Apr 24, 2021 04:18
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I can't believe people don't like Sam's side face helmet thing. That's like the best part of the new suit. 
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I think maybe people are expecting a little too much from the comic book show about the nice man with the jetpack and the surly man with the robot arm Although that's partly the show's fault for trying to wrestle with issues closer to real life instead of staying inside it's wheelhouse the way that the Cap movies did.
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site posted:No its called captain america but it's gonna star scarlett johansson She'll play a tree.
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I like Sam's costume and his face mask. Though his speech probably would've come across better if he had it off, but it's a really nice translation from comics to screen.
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I have always thought, and continue to think, that Sam needs a helmet immediately, since he is a regular man whose entire gimmick is flying toward things, head first, at jet speed.
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SlimGoodbody posted:I have always thought, and continue to think, that Sam needs a helmet immediately, since he is a regular man whose entire gimmick is flying toward things, head first, at jet speed. He's nae invulnerable when blastin'
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I liked how Sam took the dead girl to the ambulance instead of the obviously wounded friend/ally at the end. No wonder she's bitter.
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My favorite line was Walker's "It's the same suit! But black!" Gonna go play me some Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter now
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I did like they remembered that shields are defensive in the final fight between Sam and Karli, he simply used it to defend himself, does not attack, which frustrates her, but it showed what kind of person Sam is. Steven probably would have done the exact same thing
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I was very pleased with the show. Made me like both Falcon and Bucky a lot more. Sharon Carter's character is just weird and I don't get what she's after. Hopefully something interesting will come of it. Also WandaVision converted my wife into an MCU fan so we watched falcon/ws together, and have been going through the movies to catch her up on things, which is totally fine by me!
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Azubah posted:I liked how Sam took the dead girl to the ambulance instead of the obviously wounded friend/ally at the end. I mean at that point Sharon is still a wanted criminal and she's not fatally shot (in classic movie style, both of them seem to instantly know what is and is not a fatal wound) so taking her in would be a bad idea.
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Looks like she's trying to dress as the Witch/Evil Queen from Snow White for Halloween.
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Argue posted:Oh is Contessa going to be revealed as Mephisto I'll pretty sure from the hints she's either Reed Richards or Galactus.
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OnimaruXLR posted:I think maybe people are expecting a little too much from the comic book show about the nice man with the jetpack and the surly man with the robot arm This corporation... is producing media that promotes ideas that benefit the ruling class?????? Whaaaaaaaaaat?????? ilikedirt fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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ilikedirt posted:This corporation... is producing media that promotes ideas that benefit the ruling class?????? Whaaaaaaaaaat?????? Yeah, that not what's happening in this thread. Nobody expected things to be different, some were slightly optimistic when the text of the show leaned in that direction but this isn't some great failure on our part in understanding how the world works. Like, you have been reading the thread right? We're all familiar with Disney, thanks.
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