Josh Christ posted:

Alternately george hw was masquerading as a secret service guy which explains why he definitely was not in dallas but he wasn't sure where he was just definitely not in dallas, for sure, why would he be in dallas

And then the secret service gently caress up covers the rest. Bing bong boom.

gh0stpinballa posted:

This has been my personal hunch on reading Yankee and the cowboy war. The Kennedys were this new money family who were always just outside the elite oligarchy. Joe thought his boys would take the clan to that next level and it was a spectacular miscalculation. Maybe JFK did have some kind of plan to withdraw from Vietnam but just cos your dad got the mafia to steal you an election doesn't actually make you the leader of the free world. And also banging a mob boss's gf and Cord Meyer's wife while already on the outs with Dulles and the CIA can't have helped either. I think we get carried away with grandiose visions of "deep state events" and "fractal patterns of psychic latticework" and lose sight of good old fashioned motivations like power and loving. Lower your mind from the psychorealm to the gutter and there is the motivation.

Halloween Jack posted:

It's my sad duty to inform you all that calling everything cringe and cope is 100% as dorky as "epic fail" and "shitwhistling fuckbonnet" and you should be embarrassed.

I'd also like to personally apologize to everyone ITT for anything I did to spur discussion of the Superstructure guy.

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

amazing we’re debating what happened to jfk when there’s already a complete history in song form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Lvv1f5Qu4

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

amazing we’re debating what happened to jfk when there’s already a complete history in song form

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Lvv1f5Qu4

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Was expecting the Misfits and was disappointed

Halloween Jack posted:

It's my sad duty to inform you all that calling everything cringe and cope is 100% as dorky as "epic fail" and "shitwhistling fuckbonnet" and you should be embarrassed.

I'd also like to personally apologize to everyone ITT for anything I did to spur discussion of the Superstructure guy.

The Road to Wigan Pier - Chapter 11 posted:

The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting. This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shade; it has perhaps been taken over en bloc from. the old Liberal Party.

In addition to this there is the horrible--the really disquieting--prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words 'Socialism' and 'Communism' draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.

One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured 'Socialists', as who should say, 'Red Indians'. He was probably right--the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say 'whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian'. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people. And their instinct is perfectly sound, for the food-crank is by definition a person willing to cut himself off from human society in hopes of adding five years on to the life of his carcase; that is, a person but of touch with common humanity.

Wolfsheim posted:

What I'm saying is I'm starting a podcast to explore the major themes and myth arcs of the last twenty years of Sluggy Freelance

Zedhe Khoja posted:

"fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, 'Nature Cure' quack, pacifist, and feminist in England."

anyone have that line about how orwell was a stupid upper class snob who loathed factory workers? dude hated these people for the same reason he disdained everyone who wasn't a posh upper class englishman.

George Orwell posted:

The State Department is infested with communists. I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department.

Zedhe Khoja posted:

I mean he was alive during the golden era of British Labour militancy, and in that time it was mostly factory workers. It's a bizarre thing to claim they're all middle class. Maybe he just didn't know any poor people?

Panzeh posted:

Like, his observation of committed politically active socialists featuring a motley crew of middle class outsiders is not completely wrong- most of the greats come from that background, most politically active people who attend meetings and write about it have to be educated and comfortable enough to engage with politics that way. Lenin, Ho, Mao, and Marx all came from middle-class functionary backgrounds. IMO that's not really a very good condemnation of the politics, as they are going to form the nucleus of virtually any revolutionary movement as they have the motive, means, and opportunity.

Orwell's take comes off almost as a Terese-type "if we throw out the blue-hairs we'll finally win over the working class" type take, you can see how much he loathes people who are culturally different from him at all.

Centrist Committee posted:

well since this is the podcasting thread, listening to the history of rome and how the plebs went on strike to get laws written down in the first place helped me better understand the classic line about the history of all hitherto existing society. once I got toward the end of the series, I was prepared to accept the contemporary politics as more akin to late antiquity when emperors were selected by the praetorian guard. later listening to the fall of civilizations intro to the han dynasty, when its emperors were selected by the palace eunuchs and palace women, I came to see the post-assassination period as a phase of imperial evolution commonly referred to by scholars as the cool zone

Halloween Jack posted:

It's my sad duty to inform you all that calling everything cringe and cope is 100% as dorky as "epic fail" and "shitwhistling fuckbonnet" and you should be embarrassed.

Xaris posted:

yeah Fall Of Civilizations is a really great podcast and the host is constantly winking at the audience and asking themselves how it would feel to have watched their civilization fall to dust. I generally subscribe that there can’t be much modern parallels between Rome and America for a good deal many reasons, especially in that it took hundreds and hundreds of years for it to fall whereas the ecotechno realities is America doesn’t have that ‘ luxury’, but it’s pretty clear there is a strong correlation between now and those empires in their late stage decay phases. potentially not a great example, but someone like Huey Long couldn’t come into the large amount of power they eat they did before off the back of labor. hell, someone like Abe Lincoln couldn’t even come to any semblance of power today

Josh Christ posted:

I remember listening to it at work when it dropped and like yeah it was corny but the energy at that moment made all the speeches and the singing and such feel good and real and I'll never talk poo poo about then for doing it just because hell world struck back.

Trash Ops posted:

Xaris posted:

yeah Fall Of Civilizations is a really great podcast and the host is constantly winking at the audience and asking themselves how it would feel to have watched their civilization fall to dust.

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YES CAIN, KILL YOUR BROTHER ABEL. ABEL, IS CAIN NOT UNDERSERVING OF LIFE?

korben posted:

George Orwell accurately describing the average online/brooklyn/podcaster leftist from 1937 absolutely blew my mind:


I had to google what he meant by "Lloyd George style"


Is dasha still doing the tradcath thing? That link was also a weird crack-ping

korben posted:

KomradeX posted:

Isn't the irony if that passage of Socialists not being working class entirely projection?

Victory Position posted:

I also remembered that weebl existed and that there was not only a badger mushroom video, but also a video about a guy named Magical Kevin

korben posted:

I had to google what he meant by "Lloyd George style"

Trash Ops posted:

Eustace posted:

What right do 30+ year old men posting on a dead forum have to deem anything as "cringe"? Scrolling endlessly on twitter and SA is as cringe and cope as you can get