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Lol "Blacks face worse economic conditions from birth due to the legacy of slavery, anyway, this notion of white privilege is bullshit" convinced most conservatives don't understand words
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Apr 25, 2021 16:21
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TLM3101 posted:Here, lemme just... “White privilege isn’t a thing, white people just enjoy massive advantages due to structural inequalities.”
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Apr 25, 2021 16:24
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Vasukhani posted:Lol "Blacks face worse economic conditions from birth due to the legacy of slavery, anyway, this notion of white privilege is bullshit" Fascists see words as a means to an end and that it all. Jean-Paul Sartre posted:Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
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Apr 25, 2021 16:28
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wizzardstaff posted:“White privilege isn’t a thing, white people just enjoy massive advantages due to structural inequalities.” "There are poor white people therefore white privilege is a myth"
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Apr 25, 2021 16:32
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Vasukhani posted:Lol "Blacks face worse economic conditions from birth due to the legacy of slavery, anyway, this notion of white privilege is bullshit" wizzardstaff posted:“White privilege isn’t a thing, white people just enjoy massive advantages due to structural inequalities.” Oh, he understands the concept just fine, he just really, really doesn't like it when it's called out. Gary Abernathy posted:[...]the notion of “White privilege,” a pejorative that to me suggests Whites possess something they should lose, when in fact such benefits should extend to all. e: AKA "Stop trying to make me feel bad about the centuries of accumulated advantage I've gained by the bloody, systematic oppression of, and theft of labor from, people who look unlike me."
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Apr 25, 2021 16:35
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Vasukhani posted:Lol "Blacks face worse economic conditions from birth due to the legacy of slavery, anyway, this notion of white privilege is bullshit" he first heard the term from somebody he disapproves of so he feels honor-bound to stand against it forever, even when he actually agrees with it
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Apr 25, 2021 16:38
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I think a bunch of that is basically just noise to signal his conservative bona fides. Pramila Jayapal is (But also 100% right) Dems spend too much! (Still talking about reparations) I don't believe in White Privilege! (But it is central to my argument)
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Apr 25, 2021 16:40
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Xand_Man posted:I think a bunch of that is basically just noise to signal his conservative bona fides. Yah that op-ed is like these things are 100% bullshit... ...but they may have a point. It boils down to this, they know conservatism can't handle is so they have to backwards engineer a strategy to say that the conservative position DOES support this thing.
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Apr 25, 2021 16:42
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I dunno. This feels like standard reactionary fare for twisting word definitions into the most evil strawman and then, later, going "I hate [-ISM], why can't it be more like new word with [the literal definition of -ISM]?" See what happened with feminism and the Reddit "egalitarians."
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Apr 25, 2021 17:45
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Mooseontheloose posted:Yah that op-ed is like these things are 100% bullshit... I mean if you actually consistently believed what conservatives claim to believe, that they reject equality of outcome but believe in equality of opportunity and meritocracy, then you would have to try as much as possible to equalize external advantages of inherited wealth and property etc It's just what conservatives actually believe is a hosed up social Darwinism that says that wealth is a consequence of superior genes and the children of the wealthy inherently deserve their inheritance by virtue of their inborn superiority, and therefore taxing it and spending it on food and education for poor kids holds society back because the untermenschen will never amount to anything anyway no matter how many resources you expend on levelling the playing field. Every once in a while though you get a conservative who actually believes the former and is actually intelligent enough to reason this out to its logical conclusion, but somehow isn't perceptive enough to realize what their fellow conservatives are actually saying, so you get weird gymnastics like "well white privilege is liberal marxist claptrap, but hrm white people do seem actually benefit from a structure of inequality and racism going back centuries why aren't we conservatives talking about how to fix this" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Apr 25, 2021 17:47
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Bel Shazar posted:They would have to care and if they did they wouldn’t be center-right. They just fundamentally don’t really care about others, at BEST others outside their own sphere. as someone who is friends with someone who started right of center when i met them and is now a member of the socialist rifle association, this isn't always the case. sometimes people have had certain lines repeated to them their whole life and haven't seen anything in their life experience that counters it not to say that those kind of people are a majority of the center right, or that everyone who falls into that category is open to change at the end of the day, or that it's the responsibility of leftists to go out and proselytize to those folks. but to say every right of center person has their beliefs because of some fundamental and indelible aspect of who they is just something to make yourself feel better
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Apr 25, 2021 18:05
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:as someone who is friends with someone who started right of center when i met them and is now a member of the socialist rifle association, this isn't always the case. sometimes people have had certain lines repeated to them their whole life and haven't seen anything in their life experience that counters it What helped them/was a catalyst for change away from their previous views?
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Apr 25, 2021 18:26
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Abner Assington posted:SNL just seems so drat antiquated as a concept anymore that when they make a skit that's actually funny it feels like an accident. It peaked in the 1970’s.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:30
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VideoGameVet posted:It peaked in the 1970’s. 50 years going downhill. I wonder if The Simpsons will beat that.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:32
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Josef bugman posted:50 years going downhill. I wonder if The Simpsons will beat that. There are Memes about 1970’s SNL skits that live on today. FYI: In 1988 a marketing guy and I (Director of Tech.) at Activision has seen the Simpsons shorts on the Tracy Ullman show and recommended getting that license. Didn’t happen. Of course this was the same Activision (back then) that did a focus group on a new comic we could have had the game rights to for about $20k with the conclusion that: “Teenage Boys Show Little Interest In Anthropomorphic Turtles.”
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Apr 25, 2021 18:39
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The simpsons isn't very good today either, but it doesn't take much digging to realize it's had a fundamental and profound impact that's pretty permanently a part of our generation and the kind of humor we make. I think the same is true of SNL. I just wish I could listen to Don't Fear The Reaper without seeing the skit.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:45
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Oh come on don't restart SNL chat please.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:45
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VideoGameVet posted:There are Memes about 1970’s SNL skits that live on today. 
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Apr 25, 2021 18:46
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Grouchio posted:YOU WERE A DIRECTOR OF TECH AT ACTIVISION??? Yea what the gently caress? Spill dat tea in its own thread.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:49
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Grouchio posted:YOU WERE A DIRECTOR OF TECH AT ACTIVISION??? Eventually the VP of Technology by the early 1990’s. Then I decided to join an educational game startup in ‘94., The Lightspan Partnership. We ended up building over 100 CD’s of “Educational Adventures” for schools that ran on the PlayStation and Windows. Company IPO’d in February 2000, Markets crashed a month later. So that cost me dearly and pretty much ended a 20 year marrage. On the other hand, since I was kinda locked out of AAA, I ended up in Mobile and designed some cool stuff.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:54
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VideoGameVet posted:Eventually the VP of Technology by the early 1990’s.
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Apr 25, 2021 18:57
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The Sean posted:What helped them/was a catalyst for change away from their previous views? biggest factor was probably when the sources they had previously looked to started to clash with the earth science they started picking up as part of their degree. that was followed by getting reporting on current events from this forum with very different framing then sources they were used to. i also like to think my persistent yet not aggro rear end in a top hat pushback over the years counted for something
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Apr 25, 2021 18:58
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:biggest factor was probably when the sources they had previously looked to started to clash with the earth science they started picking up as part of their degree. that was followed by getting reporting on current events from this forum with very different framing then sources they were used to. i also like to think my persistent yet not aggro rear end in a top hat pushback over the years counted for something Thanks for sharing. I like the "persistent yet not aggro" framing of the approach. It's worked for me on some friends, but it can sometimes take a long time.
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Apr 25, 2021 19:00
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VitalSigns posted:I mean if you actually consistently believed what conservatives claim to believe, that they reject equality of outcome but believe in equality of opportunity and meritocracy, then you would have to try as much as possible to equalize external advantages of inherited wealth and property etc Yes. Actually believing in that kind of thing wholeheartedly is what led me to think that we should absolutely ensure everyone has a level playingfield without anyone having to worry about the cost of education or health-care, able to pursue their own desired profession or passion and being able to fully enjoy the results of their own labor in peace. You know. Communism. VitalSigns posted:It's just what conservatives actually believe is a hosed up social Darwinism that says that wealth is a consequence of superior genes and the children of the wealthy inherently deserve their inheritance by virtue of their inborn superiority, and therefore taxing it and spending it on food and education for poor kids holds society back because the untermenschen will never amount to anything anyway no matter how many resources you expend on levelling the playing field. I really, really want to believe that Abernathy is one of those conservatives, and that op-ed is promising... But on the other hand I am also painfully aware that we do not, under any circumstances, have to hand it to them.
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Apr 25, 2021 19:06
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The Sean posted:What helped them/was a catalyst for change away from their previous views? This is the central question IMO and the main reason I don't waste time trying to coddle fascists into developing human empathy. I grew up conservative and didn't let go of all that poo poo because someone debated me out of it. I left it behind after becoming absolutely disgusted with the people I was associating with, and by having my half assed defenses of that worldview treated with the scorn and disdain they merited.
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Apr 25, 2021 19:26
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:This is the central question IMO and the main reason I don't waste time trying to coddle fascists into developing human empathy. I grew up conservative and didn't let go of all that poo poo because someone debated me out of it. I left it behind after becoming absolutely disgusted with the people I was associating with, and by having my half assed defenses of that worldview treated with the scorn and disdain they merited.
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Apr 25, 2021 19:40
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Abner Assington posted:Same. I went from raging Fox News dumbass who voted for W in 2004 when I was 20 to apathetic, "Whatever maaaan, both sides are the same, who cares?" shithead in 2007-8 and raging leftist the following year. Working at a law firm that represented banks in foreclosure during the housing crisis pushed me over the edge.  yeah I can see how that would do it.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:01
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Yeah, now when I watch Star Wars and I see some rando guy typing away at a computer terminal in the background while Darth Vader chokes some officer, I know exactly how that guy feels.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:05
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TLM3101 posted:. Conservatives (well, authoritarians) see the world in Manichean terms. I'm leery of writing ALL of them off for that reason alone. I'm sure some conservatives are only that way because it's the culture they are steeped in; if you dropped them into the Soviet Union they'd be hardcore communists. They believe in what they espouse but they haven't really thought about it. That gets you weird opinions like Abernathy's; they apply the supposed principles of their ideology and haltingly arrive at reasonable opinions. The problem is that some of them are really in it to be cruel to anyone in the outgroup and it's hard to separate the two. All that fiscal conservatism/bible thumping is just camouflage. Same as ironic internet Nazis providing cover for actual Nazis.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:23
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Grouchio posted:Please please make an AMA thread we have so many questions oh my god In GAMES? Ok.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:27
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Grouchio posted:Please please make an AMA thread we have so many questions oh my god *Ask/Tell thread, this ain't reddit  e: in games or A/T
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Apr 25, 2021 20:27
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Mustard Iceman posted:The Arizona Senate hired a group founded by a Trump-loving "Stop the Steal" dude to audit the ballots from Maricopa County, after two audits by non-partisan groups failed to show any problems.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:34
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Youth Decay posted:*Ask/Tell thread, this ain't reddit Thank you. Will do.
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Apr 25, 2021 20:47
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I was also conservative (voted for the tories in my first ever election) as my parents were and got the Daily Mail etc, it was reading 'the peoples history of the united states' that started me down the road and then living with someone who volunteered for the NDP (Canada's left wing party) after I emigrated and reading LF a lot that finished the journey (as embarrassing as that is)
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Apr 25, 2021 20:48
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VideoGameVet posted:Thank you. Will do. Last bit of chat on this before I zip over to A/T, he also produced one of my favorite classic adventure games "Return To Zork". I did an LP of it like a decade ago and I still get comments from time to time praising the game. He even did an interview with me at the end discussing the behind the scenes on the game. So, hey VGV. You helped create a game that people still enjoy playing/watching today. I hope that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. 
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Apr 25, 2021 22:07
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1386406515905605633 For the whole tempest in the teapot we saw when the plan was announced, Biden's plan to withdraw will probably be the most popular action of his presidency? These are staggering numbers.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:01
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Ballz posted:Not only did he shoot the guy for mistaking the phone for a gun, he thought the guy was pointing the gun at his own head. So the deputy's response to seeing someone with a gun pointed at their head... is to shoot them yourself. The cop couldn't stand to let someone else shoot a black man instead of himself, even if the someone else was the black man in question.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:07
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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1386406515905605633 Is this really a surprise? We've known for at least a decade that the forever war is very popular in the Foreign Policy Blob and less popular than cancer literally everywhere else.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:09
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Spiritus Nox posted:Is this really a surprise? We've known for at least a decade that the forever war is very popular in the Foreign Policy Blob and less popular than cancer literally everywhere else. At least as of a year ago, there was still positive support for having troops and bases in at least syria and iraq and kuwait and Afghanistan was hovering just under 50% support. If it's moved almost 30 points in the other direction, that's a pretty substantial shift in a relatively short period of time.
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https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/1386421950612840449?s=20 Great article that shows how the police can be improved. Hire more Black/Brown officers, retrain them so they use force as a last resort and when they had to use force they were held accountable and had to report it in detail which was then followed up by a supervisor checking said report.
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