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a vocal minority of really weird anime fans are fundamentally opposed to the very concept of translation. this includes some translators.
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Apr 25, 2021 21:30
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Office Pig posted:and nonwhites True
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Apr 25, 2021 21:30
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:a vocal minority of really weird anime fans are fundamentally opposed to the very concept of translation. this includes some translators. Which I don't get as long as what was meant was conveyed what's the problem. It's one thing to point to how 4Kids did stuff, or how bad 90s videogame translations could be and wasnt to do better, but you still have to make it understandable to thr audience no matter if it's subs or dubs, a level of localization makes it not awkward and stilted.
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Apr 25, 2021 21:43
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:a vocal minority of really weird anime fans are fundamentally opposed to the very concept of translation. this includes some translators. "I spent years learning how to read and understand a phonetic language with multiple levels of politeness and ambiguous nuance so subtitles wouldn't distract me from my 2d waifus, why the gently caress can't everyone else!?"
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Apr 25, 2021 21:47
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Serf posted:local man mad about anime translation, reveals that he is a nazi weird thing to get mad about considering the fan translation which is probably the version of the manga 95% of westerners have read uses western internet lingo like normie and normalfag
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Apr 25, 2021 21:56
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KomradeX posted:Which I don't get as long as what was meant was conveyed what's the problem. It's one thing to point to how 4Kids did stuff, or how bad 90s videogame translations could be and wasnt to do better, but you still have to make it understandable to thr audience no matter if it's subs or dubs, a level of localization makes it not awkward and stilted. I don't understand what's the problem here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDBrar7AdA
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Apr 25, 2021 22:00
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Serf posted:local man mad about anime translation, reveals that he is a nazi lol "DIRECT TRANSLATION ONLY" *500 figures of speech, idioms, slang* "wtf" e:lol oh my god it skips right to "i'm not a nazi, but you gotta hand it to hitler" TenementFunster has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Apr 25, 2021 22:12
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TenementFunster posted:https://twitter.com/Locksneedfartin/status/1386000792625291269?s=20 I remember seeing a video about a Japanese guy who was asked to translate some Japanese passage to English and just said 'You can't. You will either kill yourself or give up trying.' and I think about it with how translation can be a pain in the rear end and weebs think Japanese is exactly like English.
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Apr 25, 2021 22:20
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TenementFunster posted:https://twitter.com/Locksneedfartin/status/1386000792625291269?s=20 lol mfer doesnt even have a second language and wants to tell people how to translate poo poo
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Apr 25, 2021 22:23
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Hodgepodge posted:lol mfer doesnt even have a second language and wants to tell people how to translate poo poo
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Apr 25, 2021 22:33
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I'm sorry but if they don't translate the foot fetish femdom lolicon anime correctly I'm going to have to become a fascist
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Apr 25, 2021 22:37
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I thought that show was a rom com with a weird premise
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Apr 25, 2021 22:46
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TenementFunster posted:leave it to some zoomer nazi to think there is a single objectively "correct" 1:1 translation for every word They are consistent in having never spoken with a foreigner at all.
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Apr 25, 2021 22:57
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Hodgepodge posted:lol mfer doesnt even have a second language and wants to tell people how to translate poo poo these people who whine about translations are rarely any good at understanding the original language. It's funny to go back and play old RPGs in the original Japanese. People spent years gnashing their teeth over the poor quality of Woolsey's translations and acting like they made dramatic changes. Then you play them and they're pretty much the same, but the bar is called the "cafe" and maybe they didn't transliterate one or two things correctly. lol at the idea of being a translator for crunchyroll. You get paid like poo poo and you become a target Casey Finnigan has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Apr 25, 2021 |
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Apr 25, 2021 22:59
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SpaceGoku posted:I'm sorry but if they don't translate the foot fetish femdom lolicon anime correctly I'm going to have to become a fascist
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Apr 25, 2021 23:05
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CharlestheHammer posted:I thought that show was a rom com with a weird premise It is, but anime fans are weird.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:05
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It's also funny how a guy dropping slurs thinks words have exactly one meaning.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:17
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HootTheOwl posted:It's also funny how a guy dropping slurs thinks words have exactly one meaning.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:20
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I know this isn't actually the point but the word the anime girl said that was translated as "acting sus" is a slang shorthand of a word that means "acting suspicious"
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Apr 25, 2021 23:24
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KomradeX posted:Did how bad 90s localization could be just convince the absolute most soft headed people that anything that isn't literal 1:1 translation is bad? No, they're the kind of people who freak out when a fan translation of an LN doesn't have those brackets instead of quotes. I don't know why these people don't just learn Japanese. Well other than it takes effort and jacking off to anime doesn't.
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Apr 25, 2021 23:25
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Larry Parrish posted:No, they're the kind of people who freak out when a fan translation of an LN doesn't have those brackets instead of quotes. I don't know why these people don't just learn Japanese. Well other than it takes effort and jacking off to anime doesn't. But think about how much more anime you could jack off to if you learned japanese
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Apr 25, 2021 23:50
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The idea that a 1:1 is possible, never mind preferable, is also its own strong-rear end mind poison against trying to learn--after all, if you've got to have perfect recall of 500,000 or so terms with very precise implications, that's unreasonable to ask of anyone not some sort of wizard or savant. Sadly, they don't want to pay us like wizards or savants. I'll always regret not, when I had the leeway to release what I wanted when I wanted how I wanted, ever having taken a particularly loud complaint week as pretext to release the next in some sort of adaption of kanbun, the old Japanese system for annotating Chinese with Japanese grammar rather than translating it.
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Apr 26, 2021 00:01
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i have several college assignments due I'll likely fail my semester because of my incredible autism in reading poo poo like this and the rest of this subforum it was worth it 
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Apr 26, 2021 00:18
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Mandoric posted:The idea that a 1:1 is possible, never mind preferable, is also its own strong-rear end mind poison against trying to learn--after all, if you've got to have perfect recall of 500,000 or so terms with very precise implications, that's unreasonable to ask of anyone not some sort of wizard or savant. bro I've been barking up this tree for how many years now? still doesn't make ADTRW slapfights any less insufferable
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Apr 26, 2021 00:20
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an actual dog posted:I know this isn't actually the point but the word the anime girl said that was translated as "acting sus" is a slang shorthand of a word that means "acting suspicious"
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Apr 26, 2021 00:38
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I think the main thing people forget about translations is that characters talk in a certain way. So you can translate the words accurately and end up with a completely inaccurate sentence. If a character is a high school student and talks like a normal high school student, in the translation they should talk like a normal high school student. Preserving a character's voice is usually more important that preserving the specific meaning of a specific word.
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Apr 26, 2021 00:44
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Speaking of translations, I get the sense that Discotek's subs for Hajime no Ippo are too 1:1 at times, somewhat stilted lines sprinkled throughout and could have used some more of a localization touch?? If that's even a thing? I don't remember the Geneon translation too well but I can't recall seeing as much near-awkwardly formal english lines as on these blu rays
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Apr 26, 2021 00:51
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A bunch of nerds hated the original Woolsey translation for Chrono Trigger so much they made their own extremely literal and "accurate" translation patch. It is absolutely miserable to play as the dialogue is flat and stilted as gently caress and sucks all the life out of the characters. The DS translation at least did Frog's overly polite and proper speech well without descending into gratuitous honorifics or random F bombs or whatever.
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Apr 26, 2021 00:58
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Flavius Aetass posted:I always feel bad for the hapless regular mobile suit pilots trying to fight a gundam. It would be better if the main characters weren't literally invincible from their weapons. on the other hand it's funny when regular pilots hop in a gundam and immediately get clowned on because they think they'll get the gundam plot armor but don't looking at you Katz
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Apr 26, 2021 01:02
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I finished the second season of Laid Back Camp. It's good
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Apr 26, 2021 01:03
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I like the teacher. She's such a good teacher and loves booze so much
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Apr 26, 2021 01:03
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:
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Apr 26, 2021 02:00
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It can be somewhat annoying when the Netflix subtitles do not even remotely match what is being said, especially if it's a common enough idiom that a causal anime watcher like me can tell. To be fair, sometimes closed captions of english shows don't even match up, so maybe that's just Netflix.
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Apr 26, 2021 02:32
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Good soup! posted:Speaking of translations, I get the sense that Discotek's subs for Hajime no Ippo are too 1:1 at times, somewhat stilted lines sprinkled throughout and could have used some more of a localization touch?? If that's even a thing? Interesting. I just rewatched the pirated version, and I really noticed how great the subs are. Every character has a unique voice and the use of lingo is really well done. One of the better subs I've seen tbh.
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Apr 26, 2021 02:58
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I read a lot of English web novels and there's a lot of ones I skipped because they just had bizzaro formatting and really wierd stilted dialogue, almost like they were written by a non-native or sometimes even non-fluent speaker, and I was super confused because nobody in comments ever mentioned it. Then I downloaded a fan translation by accident when I was pirating an LN once and was like... Oh. That's why, these wierdos are writing stuff thats purposefully like incredibly lovely translations.
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Apr 26, 2021 05:57
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the best webnovel translation was the one where the guy intentionally and openly refused to translate any common noun. it was almost completely unreadable, because obviously there weren't footnotes or anything explaining what all these untranslated terms meant.
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Apr 26, 2021 08:52
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the best webnovel translation was the one where the guy intentionally and openly refused to translate any common noun. it was almost completely unreadable, because obviously there weren't footnotes or anything explaining what all these untranslated terms meant.
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Apr 26, 2021 08:55
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the best webnovel translation was the one where the guy intentionally and openly refused to translate any common noun. it was almost completely unreadable, because obviously there weren't footnotes or anything explaining what all these untranslated terms meant. isnt that just reading chinese or whatever at that point lol. except with latin characters
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Apr 26, 2021 09:12
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the best webnovel translation was the one where the guy intentionally and openly refused to translate any common noun. it was almost completely unreadable, because obviously there weren't footnotes or anything explaining what all these untranslated terms meant. I hope all the common nouns were in brackets too
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Apr 26, 2021 14:16
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Mirello posted:Interesting. I just rewatched the pirated version, and I really noticed how great the subs are. Every character has a unique voice and the use of lingo is really well done. One of the better subs I've seen tbh. Yeah I have the old rips from back in the day that I believe were taken from the dvd's (IIRC) and the subs were generally really good, but there's a lot of weird, awkward phrasing in the recent releases that could have used some editing A lot of "This match is full of thrills!" from the crowd and the analysis for fights comes across as overly plain sometimes I'm aware that it's likely how the original is, but, again, that's the power of localizing something instead just a 1:1 thing E: I dont think they've announced the third part yet which should include the movie and OVA, but Discotek did say on a recent stream that the series had been selling really well and the first two collections had to go on back order, so fingers crossed they get New Challenger and Rising
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Apr 26, 2021 14:58
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